Bryant accuser's injuries 'obvious'

[Rogue]

I'd have to say I agree with you too. In the incident that I took part in, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a degree of anger toward this guy that we took down, before I even spoke with him regarding the matter. A woman, wrought with tears and telling a really good story to a captive audience is always good for some emotional reaction. I think in this matter, both sides are being drug through the mud. It is inappropriate to post her information. Rule number one of police work, especially in situations like this is, don't victimize the victim. As it stands and until proven otherwise, both parties in this allegation should be treated as victims, a lesson I learned the hard way in the rape case I stated above.

 

[Mill]

I hope they don't allow Court TV to air the case.

 

[tcsenter]

Evidence against him: he's black
evidence for him: he has no legitamit motive for rape

What the hell is a 'legitimate' motive for rape?

People who make statements like 'Kobe doesn't need to rape any woman to get some, he's got hot women throwing themselves at him' expose their profound ignorance of the nature of rape. Men don't rape because they can't otherwise get laid through consentual sex. Hell I know a couple ugly dudes who are legendary womanizers. You can get all kinds of pussy if you're standards are low enough.

Pedophiles don't find children sexually stimulating because they can't get dates with adults, nor are homosexuals attracted to members of the same sex because they can't get dates with members of the opposite sex. How would that work, "oh well I can't seem to find a date with any women, so I guess I'll just become attracted to men today"?

Rapists commit rape because that's what they find most stimulating/gratifying - forcible rape - and it has nothing to do with one's ability to pick-up women who would want to have consentual sex with them. Attractive successful men commit rape just as unattractive losers commit rape.

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

A successful criminal prosecution virtually guarantees not only a successful civil claim, but will generate far higher awards. Without a conviction, its a dicey proposition and success is far from guaranteed.

It is undeniable that star celebrities in particular, but anyone who is known to be wealthy (corporations included), are veritable magnets toward which people with money-grubbing and gold-digging litigous or scam-perpetrating aspirations are powerfully drawn.

Star celebrities in particular are at risk of attracting a subset of people with psychological/emotional problems or character flaws who may not necessarily be interested in money, per se, but are inordinately pre-occupied (read: fascinated, obsessed, or infatuated) with stardom or fame, or the star him/herself.

Then you have the real whackos, such as stalkers and the like.

I only need worry about encountering the emotionally unstable or vindictive types. I'm not famous and I'm certainly not 'well-off' financially by any standard, except perhaps to those who live in Afghanistan.

Celebrities such as Kobe Bryant need worry about encountering the entire gamut of motivations for false rape accusations, including the young 'groupies' who literally throw themselves at star celebrities but are too damned young to understand how to appropriately handle their own sexuality or are way out of their peer group in terms of emotional and sexual maturity; similar to the 15 year-old high school girls who go to great lengths to get into college parties full of 21 year-old sexually active men. These girls often want to sexually flirt all the way up to the verge of penetration, like they do with 15 year-old boys, but not cross it. They don't belong there to begin with because they're way out of their league.

 

[bbkat]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CraigRT
BS.. I wanna punch that chick out

get rich quick scheme at its finest

More like a Dumb Ass Jock with no common since at it's worse!

It takes two to use bad judgement and create a media driven legal circus that will likely never discover the truth.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Evidence against him: he's black
evidence for him: he has no legitamit motive for rape

What the hell is a 'legitimate' motive for rape?

People who make statements like 'Kobe doesn't need to rape any woman to get some, he's got hot women throwing themselves at him' expose their profound ignorance of the nature of rape. Men don't rape because they can't otherwise get laid through consentual sex. Hell I know a couple ugly dudes who are legendary womanizers. You can get all kinds of pussy if you're standards are low enough.

Pedophiles don't find children sexually stimulating because they can't get dates with adults, nor are homosexuals attracted to members of the same sex because they can't get dates with members of the opposite sex. How would that work, "oh well I can't seem to find a date with any women, so I guess I'll just become attracted to men today"?

Rapists commit rape because that's what they find most stimulating/gratifying - forcible rape - and it has nothing to do with one's ability to pick-up women who would want to have consentual sex with them. Attractive successful men commit rape just as unattractive losers commit rape.

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

A successful criminal prosecution virtually guarantees not only a successful civil claim, but will generate far higher awards. Without a conviction, its a dicey proposition and success is far from guaranteed.

It is undeniable that star celebrities in particular, but anyone who is known to be wealthy (corporations included), are veritable magnets toward which people with money-grubbing and gold-digging litigous or scam-perpetrating aspirations are powerfully drawn.

Star celebrities in particular are at risk of attracting a subset of people with psychological/emotional problems or character flaws who may not necessarily be interested in money, per se, but are inordinately pre-occupied (read: fascinated, obsessed, or infatuated) with stardom or fame, or the star him/herself.

Then you have the real whackos, such as stalkers and the like.

I only need worry about encountering the emotionally unstable or vindictive types. I'm not famous and I'm certainly not 'well-off' financially by any standard, except perhaps to those who live in Afghanistan.

Celebrities such as Kobe Bryant need worry about encountering the entire gamut of motivations for false rape accusations, including the young 'groupies' who literally throw themselves at star celebrities but are too damned young to understand how to appropriately handle their own sexuality or are way out of their peer group in terms of emotional and sexual maturity; similar to the 15 year-old high school girls who go to great lengths to get into college parties full of 21 year-old sexually active men. These girls often want to sexually flirt all the way up to the verge of penetration, like they do with 15 year-old boys, but not cross it. They don't belong there to begin with because they're way out of their league.

Very well-written.

 

[Stark]

here's the newsweek article with the "nba groupie" reference:

LINK

the latest dirt is that the girl was at a party 3 days after the "assault" bragging to her friends about "being with" kobe. the guy who threw the party was on the radio today.

Also, according to another radio interview, several other Lakers may have known about his girl...

 

[nycromes]

I cant stand all the publicity these darn celeb cases get, let it go and see what happens. Everybody follows it like it will have some profound effect on the world, when in all truth it will be over and done with, then everyone will move on. I wish people would stop trying to figure out what happened without hearing the evidence first.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Stark
here's the newsweek article with the "nba groupie" reference:

LINK

the latest dirt is that the girl was at a party 3 days after the "assault" bragging to her friends about "being with" kobe. the guy who threw the party was on the radio today.

Also, according to another radio interview, several other Lakers may have known about his girl...

That article really doesn't say anything at all specific about her status as a "groupie." Even if it were true, I don't necessarily think it would weaken her rape claim.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Stark
here's the newsweek article with the "nba groupie" reference:

LINK

the latest dirt is that the girl was at a party 3 days after the "assault" bragging to her friends about "being with" kobe. the guy who threw the party was on the radio today.

Also, according to another radio interview, several other Lakers may have known about his girl...

That article really doesn't say anything at all specific about her status as a "groupie." Even if it were true, I don't necessarily think it would weaken her rape claim.

I know there's not much in the article, but it may be a sign of things to come in the upcoming trial. 19-year old kids too stupid to keep their mouths shut and NBA players who may or may not want to be connected to this case may well decide who the jury believes in this "he said/she said" case.

Both the prosecution and defense want the records sealed, which may mean there may be a lot of dirt exposed.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII


yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

As I have already said here, I think it is premature to assume anything about Kobe's guilt or innocence, and anyone that feels strongly about it is just speaking from bias.

then your blind. and show me ONE, just ONE, case where a celebrity was accused of rape, then recanted and the case was not thrown out.

I'm afraid your response tells me nothing new about what you are alleging, in regard to bias, so I can't really comment on that. As for the recanting, I cannot recall a single case where a celebrity was accused of rape and the alleged victim recanted, so there is no useful way of drawing any conclusions about what the prosecutor would do if that happened. This is just too small a data pool to draw any useful info from. That said, as I have repeatedly mentioned, it is by no means unheard of that a prosecution can and will go forward even after the alleged victim recants - this happens all the time in domestic assault cases.

Respectfully, you need to write and edit more carefully if you want to have any kind of discussion or debate - I am more or less totally confused by your comments because they are so vague and hastily laid out. I don't mean to be a stickler, but I really don't understand what you're saying, which makes it hard to respond thoughtfully.

hey dont blame me for your lack of reading comprehension skills

i dont disagree w/ you that there are cases where a DA can move forward even if the accuser recants, but certainly not in a case such as this. sure if the accuser is a child and its pretty darn obvious that a crime took place then you can move forward. or if a wife who has been beaten by her husband, or things involving the mob then sure you can move forward. but in a case such as this, where it's seemingly just as likely that the person has been falsely accused as it is that the accuser was raped, a recant of the incident will most certainly lead to the case to be thrown out.

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations

do you live in a cave or something? you dont have to be einstein to realize that celebrities are at much higher risk than the average joe for false accusations. hell just watch 5min of Entertainment tonight every once in a while, watch espn from time to time or read your favorite newspaper. I would think a self proclaimed expert such as yourself would be well schooled on this issue.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII


yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

As I have already said here, I think it is premature to assume anything about Kobe's guilt or innocence, and anyone that feels strongly about it is just speaking from bias.

then your blind. and show me ONE, just ONE, case where a celebrity was accused of rape, then recanted and the case was not thrown out.

I'm afraid your response tells me nothing new about what you are alleging, in regard to bias, so I can't really comment on that. As for the recanting, I cannot recall a single case where a celebrity was accused of rape and the alleged victim recanted, so there is no useful way of drawing any conclusions about what the prosecutor would do if that happened. This is just too small a data pool to draw any useful info from. That said, as I have repeatedly mentioned, it is by no means unheard of that a prosecution can and will go forward even after the alleged victim recants - this happens all the time in domestic assault cases.

Respectfully, you need to write and edit more carefully if you want to have any kind of discussion or debate - I am more or less totally confused by your comments because they are so vague and hastily laid out. I don't mean to be a stickler, but I really don't understand what you're saying, which makes it hard to respond thoughtfully.

hey dont blame me for your lack of reading comprehension skills

i dont disagree w/ you that there are cases where a DA can move forward even if the accuser recants, but certainly not in a case such as this. sure if the accuser is a child and its pretty darn obvious that a crime took place then you can move forward. or if a wife who has been beaten by her husband, or things involving the mob then sure you can move forward. but in a case such as this, where it's seemingly just as likely that the person has been falsely accused as it is that the accuser was raped, a recant of the incident will most certainly lead to the case to be thrown out.

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations

do you live in a cave or something? you dont have to be einstein to realize that celebrities are at much higher risk than the average joe for false accusations. hell just watch 5min of Entertainment tonight every once in a while, watch espn from time to time or read your favorite newspaper. I would think a self proclaimed expert such as yourself would be well schooled on this issue.

Self proclaimed expert? IIRC he is a military prosecutor, so I have to say you are a moron josph.

 

[digitalsm]

Wow that newsweek article is pathetic. No freaking names just a bunch of rumors.

One source told NEWSWEEK Bryant?s wifehas kicked him out. Whether that?s true or not, we can confirm that Bryant, his wife and his accuser will not enjoy the rest of the summer.

 

[digitalsm]

But like I said before, her sexual past CAN NOT BE ADMITTED IN COURT, in Colorado(and many other states). Im still skekeptical as all it is right now is rumors.

Also for others that keep saying sexual assault doesnt equal rape. In Colorado a class three felony sexual assualt = rape, how many times do we have to go through with this.

 

[classy]

You know what I find funny. If these injuries were so obvious as to being sustained in this alleged rape, it would not have taken a DA a week and a half to file charges. So these injuries must be very questionable.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
My take on all this after reading through the 5 pages of 'opinions':

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE! I don't buy the fact that he's had a squeaky clean image, therefore it's impossible that he did it. Why the Christ would this girl make a story up like this knowing that her life, her family's life, and everyone that she interacts with, will be put trhough the ringer and made public and scrutinized for all to see?? NO amount of money that she could possibly get is worth that. The REAL WINNER here is going to be Kobe's wife, SHE'S the one that now has his balls in her back pocket. When, yes, not if, but WHEN she decides to divorce his cheating ass, she's the one that's going to get MILLIONS of dollars, not this poor girl that I believe he did rape. Like Mellinium said, if Kobe was innocent, he wouldn't just admit to cheating on his wife, he'd give EXACT details of what actually did happen. Things just aren't adding up on his behalf. I really, really hope they make an example out of his ass, just so these so called celebrities can be shown once and for all that no matter how much money they have, they are not above the law. Give him life in prison!

why bother giving exact details? he isn't in a court of law. giving details isnt gonna help him any. so why bother?

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Rogue
What I find interesting in this entire incident and especially this thread, is that people are putting stock into the public defense mounted by her friends, nearly all of which are teenage girls. So go ahead, pass judgment and pick sides based on either an NBA star or a bunch of teenage girls, but in the end you will find, that everything is not as it seems, nor can you believe everything you hear or read.

This is a refreshing injection of common sense. IMO most of the strongly opinionated posts here just reveal the poster's bias. I think some people are anxious to see a celebrity burn, others will defend Kobe regardless of the facts, and still others here clearly resent women and will always assume that this victim is a liar until and unless they see a videotape of Kobe sexually assaulting her.

For my part, I have no idea. Typically in these kinds of acquaintance rape cases, there is little or no physical evidence of trauma, and it boils down to one person's word against the other's. The DA here claims there is ample physical evidence, which is interesting if true, and apparently people in adjoining rooms had complained about screaming going on during the incident. Also, the alleged victim apparently emerged from the room crying and visibly upset. If all these tidbits line up, the case against Kobe is a relatively very strong one, but the jury are the only ones who can ultimately decide whether or not he is guilty.

do u have a link to this? from what ive read, the rooms next to his were vacant.

 

[digitalsm]

do u have a link to this? from what ive read, the rooms next to his were vacant.

They werent right next door, but in the same area.

You know what I find funny. If these injuries were so obvious as to being sustained in this alleged rape, it would not have taken a DA a week and a half to file charges. So these injuries must be very questionable.

The DA could have taken 2 weeks for many reasons. First of all the DNA and other testing results did not get back to the DAs office until last Weds, the day Kobe was told he would be charged on Friday. Another thing would be he doesnt want to have people say he handled the case poorly. Etc there are a whole lot of reasons why the DA waited two weeks. Dismissing the phsyical evidence as "very questionable" because he waited two weeks is laughable as best.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
My take on all this after reading through the 5 pages of 'opinions':

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE! I don't buy the fact that he's had a squeaky clean image, therefore it's impossible that he did it. Why the Christ would this girl make a story up like this knowing that her life, her family's life, and everyone that she interacts with, will be put trhough the ringer and made public and scrutinized for all to see?? NO amount of money that she could possibly get is worth that. The REAL WINNER here is going to be Kobe's wife, SHE'S the one that now has his balls in her back pocket. When, yes, not if, but WHEN she decides to divorce his cheating ass, she's the one that's going to get MILLIONS of dollars, not this poor girl that I believe he did rape. Like Mellinium said, if Kobe was innocent, he wouldn't just admit to cheating on his wife, he'd give EXACT details of what actually did happen. Things just aren't adding up on his behalf. I really, really hope they make an example out of his ass, just so these so called celebrities can be shown once and for all that no matter how much money they have, they are not above the law. Give him life in prison!

why bother giving exact details? he isn't in a court of law. giving details isnt gonna help him any. so why bother?

If he has nothing to hide, don't you think he'd like to clear his name before all the rumors started flying? He doesn't want to get locked into a 'story' so the prosecution can't contradict him at trial, but with the truth, he can't go wrong now can he? He's obviously has a lot more to hide than committing adultery.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
My take on all this after reading through the 5 pages of 'opinions':

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE! I don't buy the fact that he's had a squeaky clean image, therefore it's impossible that he did it. Why the Christ would this girl make a story up like this knowing that her life, her family's life, and everyone that she interacts with, will be put trhough the ringer and made public and scrutinized for all to see?? NO amount of money that she could possibly get is worth that. The REAL WINNER here is going to be Kobe's wife, SHE'S the one that now has his balls in her back pocket. When, yes, not if, but WHEN she decides to divorce his cheating ass, she's the one that's going to get MILLIONS of dollars, not this poor girl that I believe he did rape. Like Mellinium said, if Kobe was innocent, he wouldn't just admit to cheating on his wife, he'd give EXACT details of what actually did happen. Things just aren't adding up on his behalf. I really, really hope they make an example out of his ass, just so these so called celebrities can be shown once and for all that no matter how much money they have, they are not above the law. Give him life in prison!

why bother giving exact details? he isn't in a court of law. giving details isnt gonna help him any. so why bother?

If he has nothing to hide, don't you think he'd like to clear his name before all the rumors started flying? He doesn't want to get locked into a 'story' so the prosecution can't contradict him at trial, but with the truth, he can't go wrong now can he? He's obviously has a lot more to hide than committing adultery.

You're a very funny guy. Look, just because you'd like to hear a play by play of the sexual encounter from kobe doesn't mean it's a good legal strategy. Seriously, if you'll stop and think about if for five seconds or so you'll realize that there's really no point to stating that you did anything else but have consentual sex with her. As was said before, this isn't a court of law so there's no point going into details. His public image is already screwed. He can't "clear his name" without a not guilty verdict but you don't seem to be able to comprehend that so your point on that score doesn't hold any water. I also laughed especialy hard at the part where you said he "obviously has a lot more to hide". Thanks for clearing that up for us...

Just to make my position perfectly clear I have a hard time beliving he did it but I'm not discounting the posibility since we don't have enough facts.

By the way, I like how everyone just glossed over Rouge's post about the "rapist" he arrested. Funny how that works

One more thing. For all you people who are ready to fry kobe (memories of being the jocks whipping boy in HS still painful?) remember one more thing. Jerome Betis was accused of sexually asaulting a woman last year and it turns out she just made it all up. But no, that can't happen more than once can it

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII


yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

As I have already said here, I think it is premature to assume anything about Kobe's guilt or innocence, and anyone that feels strongly about it is just speaking from bias.

then your blind. and show me ONE, just ONE, case where a celebrity was accused of rape, then recanted and the case was not thrown out.

I'm afraid your response tells me nothing new about what you are alleging, in regard to bias, so I can't really comment on that. As for the recanting, I cannot recall a single case where a celebrity was accused of rape and the alleged victim recanted, so there is no useful way of drawing any conclusions about what the prosecutor would do if that happened. This is just too small a data pool to draw any useful info from. That said, as I have repeatedly mentioned, it is by no means unheard of that a prosecution can and will go forward even after the alleged victim recants - this happens all the time in domestic assault cases.

Respectfully, you need to write and edit more carefully if you want to have any kind of discussion or debate - I am more or less totally confused by your comments because they are so vague and hastily laid out. I don't mean to be a stickler, but I really don't understand what you're saying, which makes it hard to respond thoughtfully.

hey dont blame me for your lack of reading comprehension skills

i dont disagree w/ you that there are cases where a DA can move forward even if the accuser recants, but certainly not in a case such as this. sure if the accuser is a child and its pretty darn obvious that a crime took place then you can move forward. or if a wife who has been beaten by her husband, or things involving the mob then sure you can move forward. but in a case such as this, where it's seemingly just as likely that the person has been falsely accused as it is that the accuser was raped, a recant of the incident will most certainly lead to the case to be thrown out.

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations

do you live in a cave or something? you dont have to be einstein to realize that celebrities are at much higher risk than the average joe for false accusations. hell just watch 5min of Entertainment tonight every once in a while, watch espn from time to time or read your favorite newspaper. I would think a self proclaimed expert such as yourself would be well schooled on this issue.

Self proclaimed expert? IIRC he is a military prosecutor, so I have to say you are a moron josph.

i dont care what he does for a living, his statements contradict common sense and every statement ive ever heard from just about every lawyer

 

[digitalsm]

i dont care what he does for a living, his statements contradict common sense and every statement ive ever heard from just about every lawyer

I think you left out two words there..

i dont care what he does for a living, his statements contradict common sense and every statement ive ever heard from just about every criminal defense lawyer

 

[friedpie]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: friedpie

Well he has at best a 1 in 500 chance of getting a black person on the jury. So he is pretty much fvcked unless he can get a change in venue

I'm sick of people saying there has to be a change of venue. That is just pure racism talking. You are saying the white people in Colorado are racist by virtue of being white. Conversely, you don't see the irony by suggesting Kobe will get off with blacks on the jury.

It's called a jury of your peers not a jury by a bunch of white folks that see a black person maybe twice a year. Kobe needs to give a call to old Johnny Cochrane. Also, she is a local and he is some big city hotshot.

There is no way in hell he can get a fair trial in Eagle County, and this is coming from a non-black guy who does not even like Kobe and likes him even less after hearing him admit the he committed adultery.

That phrase "a jury of your peers" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.
It's not a guaranteed right.

The 6th amendment guarantees only a speedy and fair trial by an impartial jury
in the state and district where the crime occured.

I love how you assume white racism, but not black racism. A white jury will be prejudiced,
but not a black one.

You can't have it both ways. Kobe Bryant was accused of a crime in Eagle County
and he should be tried there, period.

 

[friedpie]

Bryant is such a phoney. The press conference was the most contrived BS I have ever seen. His whole personna
as a good guy is obviously a lie. I feel sorry for his victim and hope he pays the full price for his offence. You know that
if it was a regualr Joe the book would be thrown at him.

I agree, it just didn't work for me. I have heard defense attorneys praise his performance, though, but that's
what you expect from people who are used to defending liars.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

The 6th amendment guarantees only a speedy and fair trial by an impartial jury

And you honestly think he'll get that from an all white jury in BFE CO? In a close knit community where "one of their own" has been allegedly assaulted. I really really doubt that. Now let me make it clear, I hate when people play the race card. But I think in backwoods Colorado his skin color has a fair chance of infuencing people whether it's a conscious thing or not.

In a way I kind of feel sorry for Kobe. The only way he could have found a worse place to fvck up is if he did this in Utah. What a moron.

 

[Mill]

WHY does everyone keep thinking the jury is going to be all white? The county has a Hispanic population of over 20%.