Bryant accuser's injuries 'obvious'

[josphII]

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
My take on all this after reading through the 5 pages of 'opinions':

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE! I don't buy the fact that he's had a squeaky clean image, therefore it's impossible that he did it. Why the Christ would this girl make a story up like this knowing that her life, her family's life, and everyone that she interacts with, will be put trhough the ringer and made public and scrutinized for all to see?? NO amount of money that she could possibly get is worth that. The REAL WINNER here is going to be Kobe's wife, SHE'S the one that now has his balls in her back pocket. When, yes, not if, but WHEN she decides to divorce his cheating ass, she's the one that's going to get MILLIONS of dollars, not this poor girl that I believe he did rape. Like Mellinium said, if Kobe was innocent, he wouldn't just admit to cheating on his wife, he'd give EXACT details of what actually did happen. Things just aren't adding up on his behalf. I really, really hope they make an example out of his ass, just so these so called celebrities can be shown once and for all that no matter how much money they have, they are not above the law. Give him life in prison!

rational thoughts stem from rational people. somebody who falsely accuses somebody of a crime, which happens far more often than you obviously believe, is not a rational person.

and the same argument you make on behalf of the accuser can be made for kobe. why would he rape somebody and risk his good life??

omg the more i read your post the more ridiculous it gets. firstly his wife doesnt need a reason such as adultery to divorce him, and with no prenup she can walk away a millionaire whenever she chooses.

you want him to give exact details?? have you EVER seen/heard of a lawyer at anytime/anywhere ever advise his client to give exact details to the public? what possible good could come of this? and id like to know what isnt adding up...

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Lucky

The charges can not be dropped. The case cant be settled.

of course the charges can be dropped. she could completely recant.

That would not necessarily stop the prosecution, depending on what other evidence the prosecutors have. DAs sometimes can and do prosecute cases without cooperation of the victim (the most common scenario is in domestic assault cases), and given the very high visibility of this case it would not amaze me if they did so.

if she recanted her story the DA wouldnt even have to drop the charges because any judge with half his marbles still intact would throw the damn case out!

lets see, the defenses strategy is she is falsely accusing briant of rape, then she hypothetically recants... and you think charges wouldnt be dropped??!!

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Ah....nice to see the old "character assassination of the victim" approach is still valid in modern rape cases. :|

Yep. It's all her fault she was raped. :|

IF She was raped.

Bryant is such a phoney. The press conference was the most contrived BS I have ever seen. His whole personna as a good guy is obviously a lie. I feel sorry for his victim and hope he pays the full price for his offence. You know that if it was a regualr Joe the book would be thrown at him.

yeah but a regular joe doesnt have he baggage that makes him a likely target of a false accuser that kobe has. nobody knows who the real victim is, could very well be kobe.

I seriously doubt it. He lied to his wife about his infidelity why wouldn't he lie to keep his punk ass out of prison?

yeah but cheating on your wife isnt exactly an uncommon offense, nba players especially. on the other hand i dont know too many psychologically stable women that wind up in a married man's hotel room at midnight.

Well if she were to believe the good guy hype about Kobe it's quite possible that she went up there for a sprite

Anyway, even if she went up there to party with him no still means no and being held against your will is still unacceptable, even if you (Kobe) is a Fanboys hero.

and if you put out then regret it later, thats no excuse to cry rape

Quite true, but I think it is premature to assume that's what happened here. For that matter, it is premature to presume ANYTHING about what happened, short of the undisputed fact that Kobe had sex with this girl.

yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

 

[Rogue]

I still feel that most of you are jumping to rather large conclusions on this entire thing. Again, this article that started this thread basically has a 17 year old friend of hers basically saying, "It was obvious she was raped." I challenge that a 17 year old girl in a rather well to do city has little knowledge of the signs and symptoms of rape other than her friend said so and she, in her naiive (sp?), 17 year old mind came to that conclusion.

I have arrested a man before on rape charges, seen him sobbing uncontrollably in a jail cell and proclaiming innocense, to the point of actually losing his breath, only to find out that the accuser just got mad at him because he wouldn't cuddle with her when it was all said and done. We took this guy out of his car with our hands on our firearms and with about 3 patrols tactically parked behind his vehicle, thinking he was the felon that she described him to be. She had hickies on her neck, hand prints on her body and torso and several other "obvious" signs of "rape", only to find out later, by her own admission, that it was all consensual and that no rape occurred at all. He was 28, she was 19. Forgive me if I draw parallels. Oh, and her "friends", which all happened to be 18-20 ALL said it was rape and sided with her 100% the entire way. I'm not saying that this is exactly what's going on here, or that one party is innocent and another is not, but sometimes those "obvious" signs aren't always so "obvious".

It should also be said that a bruised or abraised cervix should not be considered conclusive evidence of rape either. I've known women who've gone for well woman exams and been questioned about their recent sex history because they had bruising and/or abrasions and had engaged in normal, consensual sex on their own terms. So I'm quite interested to know what this 17 year old considers "obvious" evidence in this case.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Lucky

The charges can not be dropped. The case cant be settled.

of course the charges can be dropped. she could completely recant.

That would not necessarily stop the prosecution, depending on what other evidence the prosecutors have. DAs sometimes can and do prosecute cases without cooperation of the victim (the most common scenario is in domestic assault cases), and given the very high visibility of this case it would not amaze me if they did so.

if she recanted her story the DA wouldnt even have to drop the charges because any judge with half his marbles still intact would throw the damn case out!

lets see, the defenses strategy is she is falsely accusing briant of rape, then she hypothetically recants... and you think charges wouldnt be dropped??!!

Again, not necessarily. Keep in mind that I have worked for five years as a prosecutor, and was raised by a sitting criminal-court judge, so I probably have more experience in this area than you. It is not at all unheard-of for a prosecution to continue where a victim recants. As I said before, this usually happens in the arena of domestic violence, but can and does also happen in child molestation and rape cases.

 

[MaxDepth]

NBA? Pthhhhhpt.
I could care less. It is amazing to me that ordinary people have become so polarized on this issue. Shouldn't there be innocent before being proved guilty. And too, doesn't the accuser have the right to a fair hearing?

Arguing on either side at this point, right or wrong, just tells me that too many people have very lame, insignificant lives.

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: gigapet
i suppose that is possible as it is exactly what happened to kirby puckett.....but come on now.........that girl did not say no to kobe bryant.

How THE fvck do you know?

only two people know the whole entire truth. But I cant think of any girls 18-26 that wouldnt sleep with kobe

Here's one, My wife.
Here's Another, My sister.

Stop posting asshat. You know nothing about these people and have no information to base your obviously biased opinion.

 

[Rogue]

I have to back up what Don_Vito says. At some point in some cases and some states and/or municipalities, the "victim" cannot simply retract his/her charges and change their mind about the entire thing. If it was important enough to be reported that way, it's important enough to prosecute. We don't know that the victim wasn't coerced into retracting their charge, so the court simply presses on under the assumption that the initial charge was the truth and the intent of the victim. Granted, it can make it hard for the prosecution to proceed without it's star witness, but that can be worked around also by way of good, strong evidence and subpoenas.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: josphII


yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

As I have already said here, I think it is premature to assume anything about Kobe's guilt or innocence, and anyone that feels strongly about it is just speaking from bias.

 

[ElFenix]

sexual assault != rape

 

[bbkat]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: bbkat

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Damn she has a cute face!

Probably not the cutest he's ever come across

interesting how you worded that :wink;

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII


yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

As I have already said here, I think it is premature to assume anything about Kobe's guilt or innocence, and anyone that feels strongly about it is just speaking from bias.

then your blind. and show me ONE, just ONE, case where a celebrity was accused of rape, then recanted and the case was not thrown out.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: josphII


yeah but given kobe is part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape and given the recent evidence that has come out against the accuser - OD'd, recent death of a friend, boyfriend cheating on her - that also puts her in a category that makes her far more likely to falsely accuse somebody. hey all im saying is if the shoe fits....

What do you mean, he is "part of a group that is far more likely to be falsely accused of rape"? What group, and more likely than whom? I am not aware of any data that would show that blacks, celebrities, or NBA stars are disproportionately more prone to such false allegations, and to the extent they are, the accusations generally happen in a civil, not criminal setting (since that is a means for the accuser to get money, whereas, as in this case, a criminal accusation leads to nothing but character assassination against the victim).

As I have already said here, I think it is premature to assume anything about Kobe's guilt or innocence, and anyone that feels strongly about it is just speaking from bias.

then your blind. and show me ONE, just ONE, case where a celebrity was accused of rape, then recanted and the case was not thrown out.

I'm afraid your response tells me nothing new about what you are alleging, in regard to bias, so I can't really comment on that. As for the recanting, I cannot recall a single case where a celebrity was accused of rape and the alleged victim recanted, so there is no useful way of drawing any conclusions about what the prosecutor would do if that happened. This is just too small a data pool to draw any useful info from. That said, as I have repeatedly mentioned, it is by no means unheard of that a prosecution can and will go forward even after the alleged victim recants - this happens all the time in domestic assault cases.

Respectfully, you need to write and edit more carefully if you want to have any kind of discussion or debate - I am more or less totally confused by your comments because they are so vague and hastily laid out. I don't mean to be a stickler, but I really don't understand what you're saying, which makes it hard to respond thoughtfully.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

Are you kidding? Half the dorks here leave a "DNA sample" when buying a new video card.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

He's not charged with rape, though. He's charged with sexual assault.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

He's not charged with rape, though. He's charged with sexual assault.

exactly. sexual assault is far more broad a term than rape.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

He's not charged with rape, though. He's charged with sexual assault.

Sexual assault IS RAPE!!!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

He's not charged with rape, though. He's charged with sexual assault.

Sexual assault IS RAPE!!!

no, it really isn't. rape is a form of sexual assault but not vice versa.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix
sexual assault != rape

Grabbing boobies is sexual assault, but last time I checked you didn't leave semen for DNA analysis while doing that.

He's not charged with rape, though. He's charged with sexual assault.

Sexual assault IS RAPE!!!

no, it really isn't. rape is a form of sexual assault but not vice versa.

YES!!! In that state sexual assault is RAPE!!!

 

[Rogue]

Hey, could you please stop typing the word "rape" in all capital letters? Jesus, we don't need to have it yelled at us to understand.

I still find it interesting that no one has even paid any attention to my two posts in this thread. Guess good arguements are hard to refute.

 

[CraigRT]

BS.. I wanna punch that chick out

get rich quick scheme at its finest

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
BS.. I wanna punch that chick out

get rich quick scheme at its finest

More like a Dumb Ass Jock with no common since at it's worse!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Hey, could you please stop typing the word "rape" in all capital letters? Jesus, we don't need to have it yelled at us to understand.

I still find it interesting that no one has even paid any attention to my two posts in this thread. Guess good arguements are hard to refute.

Don't worry Rogue, I have been paying attention, and I agree. We don't have the evidence, so we don't really know and we might never know unless the trial is more forthcoming. My only bone of contention in this thread, is that the Girl doesn't need to have her name, phone number, e-mail, etc plastered all over the net, nor do people need to call her a gold-digging slut. They don't realize how horribly biased it makes them look. I don't KNOW if Kobe raped her or not. It wouldn't surprise me, but then again if she was be less than truthful wouldn't surprise me either. This is a classic case of good reputation, money, and power vs someone who has a past with mistakes. The Defense will be bringing all this up in court. Textbook case of trying the victim in the courtroom to get your client off, except she is being tried in the national press and the internet. Pretty sad, and Victim's Rights groups are a little whizzed off about it.

 

[rpberry123]

Bone of contention? According to MSNBC this morning, she can 'describe' Kobe.....
Wonder what that will sound like on Court-tv......