Bryant accuser's injuries 'obvious'

[friedpie]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

The 6th amendment guarantees only a speedy and fair trial by an impartial jury

And you honestly think he'll get that from an all white jury in BFE CO? In a close knit community
where "one of their own" has been allegedly assaulted. I really really doubt that. Now let me
make it clear, I hate when people play the race card. But I think in backwoods Colorado
his skin color has a fair chance of infuencing people whether it's a conscious thing or not.

In a way I kind of feel sorry for Kobe. The only way he could have found a worse place to
fvck up is if he did this in Utah. What a moron.

God, you people just don't get it. You can't assume whites will be racist and prejudice,
but that blacks won't. Get it through your thick skulls.

Also, the jury selection process is supposed to guarantee an impartial jury. That's why
BOTH sides have to agree on each juror selected.

p.s. Why did Kobe leave Colorado the next day? Makes you wonder.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

i dont care what he does for a living, his statements contradict common sense and every statement ive ever heard from just about every lawyer

I think you left out two words there..

i dont care what he does for a living, his statements contradict common sense and every statement ive ever heard from just about every criminal defense lawyer

Hee hee - as it happens I now work as a criminal defense attorney, after years as a prosecutor. No doubt josphII will look elsewhere for representation.

 

[tcsenter]

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE!

That's simply a load of crap. This definition of rape is an extremist position advanced by mysandrist feminists who want to make absolute and sacrosanct a woman's prerogative to conduct herself in any manner she deems fit, and make all offenses to a woman's prerogative morally equivalent - the equivalent of forcible rape - for which men can be sent to prison. Granted, one that is becoming more popular as feminists continue to pursue an agenda which is at odds with biology.

Sex isn't some kind of emotionally-void rational act where both partners are operating on reason and critical thinking. Sex is one of the more irrational and emotionally-charged acts in the inventory of human behavior. This is why there are so many unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. Once sexual arousal reaches a certain point, critical thought required for judgement about things like condoms (and "stop") goes out the window, replaced by adrenaline and a powerful sense of urgency (sex drive) a few million years in the making, which is why a couple should discuss the rules before approaching that line.

This drive is even more powerful in the male, as dictated by higher testosterone levels and evidenced by the fact that evolution has obligated the male in virtually every species of mammal to be the 'performer' (aggressive). Women are not only permitted but encouraged to blame their lapses of judgement, reason, and temperment on hormones, but men aren't allowed? What a crock of sh-t.

Now we aren't lions, and I'm not attempting to suggest that men don't possess the faculties for critical thought and judgement or shouldn't be expected to use them, but neither does the fact men have these faculties render meaningless the biological/physiological underpinnings of sexual arousal and how it can color those faculties.

Saying 'stop' in the middle of sex isn't like asking someone to say 'stop' while you're thumbing through a deck of cards. It isn't like asking someone to 'stop' while they're taking a timed examination.

Saying 'stop' in the middle of sex is more like setting down a plate of food in front of a starving person, letting them inhale a couple bites, then faulting them for failing to stop eating at the moment you rather unexpectedly instruct them to stop. Or like giving water to someone who is suffering from dehydration, then faulting them for failing to stop drinking at the very moment you rather unexpectedly instruct them to stop.

In fact, the same region of the brain which controls hunger and thirst drive also controls sex drive. The hypothalamus isn't about reason. It isn't about critical thought or restraint. The hypothalamus is about very powerful survival drives; fight or flight, hunger, thirst, sex, and sleep.

Of course, we can learn how to restrain or control these powerful drives, but that only happens with experience. Boxers have to train rigorously in order to develop the restraint to cease throwing punches once they hear the bell, and even then some boxers slip up because the drive to keep throwing punches is so powerful.

Persons defending themselves from an aggressor, including law enforcement officers, have to exercise unusual restraint to avoid crossing the line between justified (reasonable) force and excessive (unreasonable) force, and even those who train extensively for it some times slip up because the drive to keep throwing blows is so powerful.

Short of having some kind of rigorous 'sexuality training' mandated for every school-aged child where they actually engage in sex to gain this experience, the only logical and rational (read: sane) solution is for there to exist an expectation of "shared" responsibility from each party equally. The man has a responsibility and the woman has a responsibility. If either one doesn't use good judgement, it increases the risk of undesirable consequences and each should be culpable for their failure of judgement.

The effect of the rape definition you have advanced is to - as radical feminists want it - absolve the woman of any and all consequences which might result from her conduct because its her prerogative to conduct herself in any manner she pleases and nobody but nobody has the right to question, doubt, fault, or scrutinize that conduct, placing absolute culpability on the man for anything that goes 'wrong'.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Millennium
WHY does everyone keep thinking the jury is going to be all white? The county has a Hispanic population of over 20%.

I heard on ESPN that the county was 85% white. Maybe ESPN was wrong since they're not exactly CNN

They also said that it was 0.3% black.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE!

That's simply a load of crap. This definition of rape is an extremist position advanced by mysandrist feminists who want to make absolute and sacrosanct a woman's prerogative to conduct herself in any manner she deems fit, and make all offenses to a woman's prerogative morally equivalent - the equivalent of forcible rape - for which men can be sent to prison. Granted, one that is becoming more popular as feminists continue to pursue an agenda which is at odds with biology.

Sex isn't some kind of emotionally-void rational act where both partners are operating on reason and critical thinking. Sex is one of the more irrational and emotionally-charged acts in the inventory of human behavior. This is why there are so many unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. Once sexual arousal reaches a certain point, critical thought required for judgement about things like condoms (and "stop") goes out the window, replaced by adrenaline and a powerful sense of urgency (sex drive) a few million years in the making, which is why a couple should discuss the rules before approaching that line.

This drive is even more powerful in the male, as dictated by higher testosterone levels and evidenced by the fact that evolution has obligated the male in virtually every species of mammal to be the 'performer' (aggressive). Women are not only permitted but encouraged to blame their lapses of judgement, reason, and temperment on hormones, but men aren't allowed? What a crock of sh-t.

Now we aren't lions, and I'm not attempting to suggest that men don't possess the faculties for critical thought and judgement or shouldn't be expected to use them, but neither does the fact men have these faculties render meaningless the biological/physiological underpinnings of sexual arousal and how it can color those faculties.

Saying 'stop' in the middle of sex isn't like asking someone to say 'stop' while you're thumbing through a deck of cards. It isn't like asking someone to 'stop' while they're taking a timed examination.

Saying 'stop' in the middle of sex is more like setting down a plate of food in front of a starving person, letting them inhale a couple bites, then faulting them for failing to stop eating at the moment you rather unexpectedly instruct them to stop. Or like giving water to someone who is suffering from dehydration, then faulting them for failing to stop drinking at the very moment you rather unexpectedly instruct them to stop.

In fact, the same region of the brain which controls hunger and thirst drive also controls sex drive. The hypothalamus isn't about reason. It isn't about critical thought or restraint. The hypothalamus is about very powerful survival drives; fight or flight, hunger, thirst, sex, and sleep.

Of course, we can learn how to restrain or control these powerful drives, but that only happens with experience. Boxers have to train rigorously in order to develop the restraint to cease throwing punches once they hear the bell, and even then some boxers slip up because the drive to keep throwing punches is so powerful.

Persons defending themselves from an aggressor, including law enforcement officers, have to exercise unusual restraint to avoid crossing the line between justified (reasonable) force and excessive (unreasonable) force, and even those who train extensively for it some times slip up because the drive to keep throwing blows is so powerful.

Short of having some kind of rigorous 'sexuality training' mandated for every school-aged child where they actually engage in sex to gain this experience, the only logical and rational (read: sane) solution is for there to exist an expectation of "shared" responsibility from each party equally. The man has a responsibility and the woman has a responsibility. If either one doesn't use good judgement, it increases the risk of undesirable consequences and each should be culpable for their failure of judgement.

The effect of the rape definition you have advanced is to - as radical feminists want it - absolve the woman of any and all consequences which might result from her conduct because its her prerogative to conduct herself in any manner she pleases and nobody but nobody has the right to question, doubt, fault, or scrutinize that conduct, placing absolute culpability on the man for anything that goes 'wrong'.

Must be a drag for your daughter to have you as a father!

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Millennium
WHY does everyone keep thinking the jury is going to be all white? The county has a Hispanic population of over 20%.

I heard on ESPN that the county was 85% white. Maybe ESPN was wrong since they're not exactly CNN

They also said that it was 0.3% black.

i believe they were referring to the Part of colorado where the incident took place.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE!

That's simply a load of crap. This definition of rape is an extremist position advanced by mysandrist feminists who want to make absolute and sacrosanct a woman's prerogative to conduct herself in any manner she deems fit, and make all offenses to a woman's prerogative morally equivalent - the equivalent of forcible rape - for which men can be sent to prison. Granted, one that is becoming more popular as feminists continue to pursue an agenda which is at odds with biology.

Sex isn't some kind of emotionally-void rational act where both partners are operating on reason and critical thinking. Sex is one of the more irrational and emotionally-charged acts in the inventory of human behavior. This is why there are so many unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. Once sexual arousal reaches a certain point, critical thought required for judgement about things like condoms (and "stop") goes out the window, replaced by adrenaline and a powerful sense of urgency (sex drive) a few million years in the making, which is why a couple should discuss the rules before approaching that line.

This drive is even more powerful in the male, as dictated by higher testosterone levels and evidenced by the fact that evolution has obligated the male in virtually every species of mammal to be the 'performer' (aggressive). Women are not only permitted but encouraged to blame their lapses of judgement, reason, and temperment on hormones, but men aren't allowed? What a crock of sh-t.

Now we aren't lions, and I'm not attempting to suggest that men don't possess the faculties for critical thought and judgement or shouldn't be expected to use them, but neither does the fact men have these faculties render meaningless the biological/physiological underpinnings of sexual arousal and how it can color those faculties.

Saying 'stop' in the middle of sex isn't like asking someone to say 'stop' while you're thumbing through a deck of cards. It isn't like asking someone to 'stop' while they're taking a timed examination.

Saying 'stop' in the middle of sex is more like setting down a plate of food in front of a starving person, letting them inhale a couple bites, then faulting them for failing to stop eating at the moment you rather unexpectedly instruct them to stop. Or like giving water to someone who is suffering from dehydration, then faulting them for failing to stop drinking at the very moment you rather unexpectedly instruct them to stop.

In fact, the same region of the brain which controls hunger and thirst drive also controls sex drive. The hypothalamus isn't about reason. It isn't about critical thought or restraint. The hypothalamus is about very powerful survival drives; fight or flight, hunger, thirst, sex, and sleep.

Of course, we can learn how to restrain or control these powerful drives, but that only happens with experience. Boxers have to train rigorously in order to develop the restraint to cease throwing punches once they hear the bell, and even then some boxers slip up because the drive to keep throwing punches is so powerful.

Persons defending themselves from an aggressor, including law enforcement officers, have to exercise unusual restraint to avoid crossing the line between justified (reasonable) force and excessive (unreasonable) force, and even those who train extensively for it some times slip up because the drive to keep throwing blows is so powerful.

Short of having some kind of rigorous 'sexuality training' mandated for every school-aged child where they actually engage in sex to gain this experience, the only logical and rational (read: sane) solution is for there to exist an expectation of "shared" responsibility from each party equally. The man has a responsibility and the woman has a responsibility. If either one doesn't use good judgement, it increases the risk of undesirable consequences and each should be culpable for their failure of judgement.

The effect of the rape definition you have advanced is to - as radical feminists want it - absolve the woman of any and all consequences which might result from her conduct because its her prerogative to conduct herself in any manner she pleases and nobody but nobody has the right to question, doubt, fault, or scrutinize that conduct, placing absolute culpability on the man for anything that goes 'wrong'.

Must be a drag for your daughter to have you as a father!

Haha.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Millennium
WHY does everyone keep thinking the jury is going to be all white? The county has a Hispanic population of over 20%.

I heard on ESPN that the county was 85% white. Maybe ESPN was wrong since they're not exactly CNN

They also said that it was 0.3% black.

i believe they were referring to the Part of colorado where the incident took place.

I haven't been keeping up with this too much, but did it take place in Eagle County?

"That Eagle is the alleged victim's hometown, Silverman says, is a "small factor." The population makeup of Eagle County, where the 2000 census found 0.3%% of residents are black while 85.4% are white, could weigh more heavily, he says. The alleged victim is white." - USA Today

Is it in a different county then?

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
My take on all this after reading through the 5 pages of 'opinions':

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE! I don't buy the fact that he's had a squeaky clean image, therefore it's impossible that he did it. Why the Christ would this girl make a story up like this knowing that her life, her family's life, and everyone that she interacts with, will be put trhough the ringer and made public and scrutinized for all to see?? NO amount of money that she could possibly get is worth that. The REAL WINNER here is going to be Kobe's wife, SHE'S the one that now has his balls in her back pocket. When, yes, not if, but WHEN she decides to divorce his cheating ass, she's the one that's going to get MILLIONS of dollars, not this poor girl that I believe he did rape. Like Mellinium said, if Kobe was innocent, he wouldn't just admit to cheating on his wife, he'd give EXACT details of what actually did happen. Things just aren't adding up on his behalf. I really, really hope they make an example out of his ass, just so these so called celebrities can be shown once and for all that no matter how much money they have, they are not above the law. Give him life in prison!

why bother giving exact details? he isn't in a court of law. giving details isnt gonna help him any. so why bother?

If he has nothing to hide, don't you think he'd like to clear his name before all the rumors started flying? He doesn't want to get locked into a 'story' so the prosecution can't contradict him at trial, but with the truth, he can't go wrong now can he? He's obviously has a lot more to hide than committing adultery.

You're a very funny guy. Look, just because you'd like to hear a play by play of the sexual encounter from kobe doesn't mean it's a good legal strategy. Seriously, if you'll stop and think about if for five seconds or so you'll realize that there's really no point to stating that you did anything else but have consentual sex with her. As was said before, this isn't a court of law so there's no point going into details. His public image is already screwed. He can't "clear his name" without a not guilty verdict but you don't seem to be able to comprehend that so your point on that score doesn't hold any water. I also laughed especialy hard at the part where you said he "obviously has a lot more to hide". Thanks for clearing that up for us...

Just to make my position perfectly clear I have a hard time beliving he did it but I'm not discounting the posibility since we don't have enough facts.

By the way, I like how everyone just glossed over Rouge's post about the "rapist" he arrested. Funny how that works

One more thing. For all you people who are ready to fry kobe (memories of being the jocks whipping boy in HS still painful?) remember one more thing. Jerome Betis was accused of sexually asaulting a woman last year and it turns out she just made it all up. But no, that can't happen more than once can it

And it seems to be extremely hard for you to comprehend the fact that your beloved Kobe could've did it. Why is so hard for you to relish the fact that he could've raped this girl? Do you condone his adulterous acts as well? This is going to be another typical case of the victim being tried, and not the accused. You don't happen to be a Laker fan, do you?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin
My take on all this after reading through the 5 pages of 'opinions':

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe that Kobe did it. Sure, MAYBE it could've started out as 'consensual', but if at ANY point she said "no/stop/don't", and he didn't, it's RAPE! I don't buy the fact that he's had a squeaky clean image, therefore it's impossible that he did it. Why the Christ would this girl make a story up like this knowing that her life, her family's life, and everyone that she interacts with, will be put trhough the ringer and made public and scrutinized for all to see?? NO amount of money that she could possibly get is worth that. The REAL WINNER here is going to be Kobe's wife, SHE'S the one that now has his balls in her back pocket. When, yes, not if, but WHEN she decides to divorce his cheating ass, she's the one that's going to get MILLIONS of dollars, not this poor girl that I believe he did rape. Like Mellinium said, if Kobe was innocent, he wouldn't just admit to cheating on his wife, he'd give EXACT details of what actually did happen. Things just aren't adding up on his behalf. I really, really hope they make an example out of his ass, just so these so called celebrities can be shown once and for all that no matter how much money they have, they are not above the law. Give him life in prison!

why bother giving exact details? he isn't in a court of law. giving details isnt gonna help him any. so why bother?

If he has nothing to hide, don't you think he'd like to clear his name before all the rumors started flying? He doesn't want to get locked into a 'story' so the prosecution can't contradict him at trial, but with the truth, he can't go wrong now can he? He's obviously has a lot more to hide than committing adultery.

You're a very funny guy. Look, just because you'd like to hear a play by play of the sexual encounter from kobe doesn't mean it's a good legal strategy. Seriously, if you'll stop and think about if for five seconds or so you'll realize that there's really no point to stating that you did anything else but have consentual sex with her. As was said before, this isn't a court of law so there's no point going into details. His public image is already screwed. He can't "clear his name" without a not guilty verdict but you don't seem to be able to comprehend that so your point on that score doesn't hold any water. I also laughed especialy hard at the part where you said he "obviously has a lot more to hide". Thanks for clearing that up for us...

Just to make my position perfectly clear I have a hard time beliving he did it but I'm not discounting the posibility since we don't have enough facts.

By the way, I like how everyone just glossed over Rouge's post about the "rapist" he arrested. Funny how that works

One more thing. For all you people who are ready to fry kobe (memories of being the jocks whipping boy in HS still painful?) remember one more thing. Jerome Betis was accused of sexually asaulting a woman last year and it turns out she just made it all up. But no, that can't happen more than once can it

And it seems to be extremely hard for you to comprehend the fact that your beloved Kobe could've did it. Why is so hard for you to relish the fact that he could've raped this girl? Do you condone his adulterous acts as well? This is going to be another typical case of the victim being tried, and not the accused. You don't happen to be a Laker fan, do you?

I still find it funny that people still think Kobe didnt do it, because "its Kobe". NO ONE knows Kobe personally(ie behind closed doors), except for his wife and family. His team mates only know his public persona, as do the fans, and sports writers. To say its "not Kobe" at this point is absurd as you and I as well as almost everyone else know nothing about his life other than what he portrays to the public which has shown to be a farce(just like Jordan).

 

[gigapet]

is it still adultry if he had an agreement with his wife that he would be allowed to see any women that he liked.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: gigapet
is it still adultry if he had an agreement with his wife that he would be allowed to see any women that he liked.

a·dul·ter·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-dlt-r, -tr)
n. pl. a·dul·ter·ies
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

So, yes, it still is.

 

[Red]

It's really easy to make assumptions/believe in generalities and stereotype in a case like this:

(1) Young, wealthy African American athlete. Indulging in the pleasures of his rich lifestyle. I wish someone could give me a list of the cars he owns, the music he listens to, etc. I would bet money that he owns an Escalade or another SUV with big wheels, listen to rap that propogates drugs/sex/lavish spending of money/etc.

(2) Young, white suburban high school girl. We have all read the studies that PROVE that white suburbia keeps rap/black urban style alive. White teenagers love to rebel into the forbidden black culture. Anyway, judging from the fact that she was on the dance team/cheerleader and assuming that she is a typical attractive blonde high school girl, and a member of American suburbia, she probably listens to the same music that Kobe does. Moreover, she probably does idolize young, successful, black men because of their rebelious, sex-ified image. Same thing as rock stars / James Dean back in the day.

These two factors, on top of the fact that this is a star trial, make it a very controversial case. I am a 20 year old white male in suburbia. I went to a high school with about 1500 people and 3 or 4 of the students were black males. Yes, they were all the bling bling type, and yes, all of them had white girls hanging all over them.

My opinion (not that opinions matter in a trial) -- The girl was probably mystified that Kobe Bryant was staying at the hotel she was at... she probably couldn't wait to tell all of her girlfriend he saw him. Kobe was probably having a "hotel lobby" party after the "after party" and invited this cute white girl. He probably swept her away with his money and status.... she most likely did want to have a good time with Kobe, but I know white suburbian girls... I bet when things got down and dirty, she wanted to escape and he refused. That's rape and he needs to pay. I am a Christian with a beautiful, loving fiancee (http://home.insightbb.com/~j.manuel/img/mj4.jpg) and nothing sickens me more than young, egotistical black or white guys who have got a lucky break because they were born tall or big or whatever..... and think they can fvck anything in sight and never get in trouble. And I would never have anything to do with a girl who finds a guy like this potential for fun/relationship.

 

[minendo]

but I know white suburbian girls...

So do I and almost everyone else. I know for a fact that I would not generalize them in the same manner you did.

 

[Red]

How old are you? Like I said, that is my opinion of the white girls in my high school in my area at my age.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Redhotjrm
How old are you? Like I said, that is my opinion of the white girls in my high school in my area at my age.

Not much older than you.

 

[Pezman]

anyone else sick of the media crapping this story to death?

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Pezman
anyone else sick of the media crapping this story to death?

When does the media not "crap something to death?"

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Pezman
anyone else sick of the media crapping this story to death?

When does the media not "crap something to death?"

Exactly. To them, it's all about being the first to report some miniscule detail, and to get the 'breaking story' or 'exclusive interview'. All they care about is ratings. I'm surprised that the police can't or won't do anything about all those jackasses camped out at the woman's house that was raped. Talk about absolutely disgusting, seeing all those fools packed in like sardines next to each other with their videocameras and microphones.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Pezman
anyone else sick of the media crapping this story to death?

They had to come up with something else. I think the general public was tired of their constant Bush bashing and second guessing about the war.

 

[nycdude]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Ah....nice to see the old "character assassination of the victim" approach is still valid in modern rape cases. :|

Yep. It's all her fault she was raped. :|

get over it she is a typical hoe seeking to get rich and famous in a sleezy way. He had nothing to gain by raping her and everything to lose. He gets1000 offers a day from girls more attractive and more appealing than her. She should be lucky he did it with her in the first place i'm sure it was a mercy fvck.

They should put your dumb arse in jail for saying that. What an idiot.:disgust:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nycdude

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Ah....nice to see the old "character assassination of the victim" approach is still valid in modern rape cases. :|

Yep. It's all her fault she was raped. :|

get over it she is a typical hoe seeking to get rich and famous in a sleezy way. He had nothing to gain by raping her and everything to lose. He gets1000 offers a day from girls more attractive and more appealing than her. She should be lucky he did it with her in the first place i'm sure it was a mercy fvck.

They should put your dumb arse in jail for saying that. What an idiot.:disgust:

gigaprick needs a mercy ban from here!

 

[tcsenter]

Must be a drag for your daughter to have you as a father!

Yes, responsibility and culpability is a big drag, but we fail as parents if we do not teach that personal conduct has consequences and risks, and some of them aren't very nice.

Its an even bigger drag to 'discover' this at the age of 20 all on your own in one of these not-so-nice ways.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Must be a drag for your daughter to have you as a father!

Yes, responsibility and culpability is a big drag, but we fail as parents if we do not teach that personal conduct has consequences and risks, and some of them aren't very nice.

Its an even bigger drag to 'discover' this at the age of 20 all on your own in one of these not-so-nice ways.

You mean like having some BBall Player raping her?

 

[jagr10]

How does this case go that far anyways? Isn't it basically her word against his? How do you prove it was actually rape? Don't you need someone watching it?