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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: jagr10
How does this case go that far anyways? Isn't it basically her word against his? How do you prove it was actually rape? Don't you need someone watching it?
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In some countries you need 4 adult male witnesses. In this country it is usually a popularity test as far as who do you wish to believe or who garners the most sympathy
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These are Muslim countries, and IMO this rule is indicative of their culture's generalized distrust of women. Note that that same rule typically requires that the witnesses are Muslim men. Also, it is important to understand that their justice systems do much less to protect the accused. Such a rule makes it all but impossible to prosecute nearly all rape cases, particularly acquaintance rape, and also most child molestation. I am grateful that we are not hamstrung by such a nonsensical set of regulations in this country.
 
I was watching some TV show last night and they were complaining it was not considered normal practice, in fact they said a violation of jounalism ethics, to reveal this or any other accuser. They indicated it's dragging her name though the mud etc etc etc. So why is it OK to reveal the accused? Seems to me it's worse to be percieved to be a crimminal than a victim...

Is his name not being dragged though the mud? Is his image not bieng tarnished in some way? So why reveal him? Stupid and unfair.
 
More dirt

I'm not sure if the girl tried to kill herself once or twice. At first it sounded like she tried to off herself at home, now reports are she did it at school. Plus a stay at a mental hospital. Plus allegation she screwed a "celebrity lookalike" when trying out for American Idol.

Kobe might want to get tested before passing something on to the 4 million dollar wife.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Where did you hear that story? That's flat out crazy. Jesus, it's truly scary to know that you could be falsely accused of something some day and you life could be in the hands of 12 complete morons like that
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Hey, I stand corrected, he was released early:

Ex-Macomb sheriff Hackel is free today

You'll have to do some archive searching to look for the case details.
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Wow...3 years. I guess this new info about Kobe's accuser won't help Kobe much.

 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: arcain

I admit that I am a Kobe fan.. but the beginning of the article where the writer tells of an incident of an unamed championship player kissing a female is intentionally vague. It implies that the player was Kobe, but he goes out of his way to make sure it is never stated explicitly. I read that part a couple of times, and I have to read it to be that the story was about somebody else and the writer wanted sensationalize his story. Remember, though I am a Kobe fan but seems like the writer did some careful maneuvering with his piece.

Another comment: Did anybody notice during the DA press conference, he was asked that if in filing the charges he was acting in the concensus of the other counties' DAs that he had consulted with. He did not answer the question and dodged it (after verbally stumbling a bit) by reiterating that he had consulted with other DAs. I'm no interrogator, but it implies to me that his case not as absolute as it could be. Any answer besides "Yes, there is a concensus that charges should be filed" shows a weakness. If there was not even a majority there, proving it "beyond a reasonable doubt" will not be easy.
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I did not see the press conference you describe, but I see no reason why a DA would be obligated to consult with prosecutors in other jurisdictions before charging, nor do I think the lack of such a consensus would indicate a lack of confidence in the case. In my experience working in U.S. Attorney's offices and as a military prosecutor, these conversations take place between the prosecutors within an office, not between one office and another.

To reiterate what I have said above, I have no earthly idea if Kobe is guilty, and am not presuming his guilt. The DA seems generally confident that his case is strong, but a certain amount of that may be marketing - it would not do him, or the case any good if he were perceived as tentative about it.
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I'm not trying to put any words to arcains mouth, but my interpretation of his post regarding the DA asking opinions from other counties is that this DA had little experience w/ sexual assualt cases, and he is a young attorney. This was a small county, it is probably one of those towns where everyone knows eachother. Maybe it is not common practice to ask diff counties opinions in larger counties, but in smaller counties with a young DA it would be more useful?
I mean even his own sheriffs circumvented him and went to a judge to get an arrest warrant.
 
Originally posted by: oldirtythao

I'm not trying to put any words to arcains mouth, but my interpretation of his post regarding the DA asking opinions from other counties is that this DA had little experience w/ sexual assualt cases, and he is a young attorney. This was a small county, it is probably one of those towns where everyone knows eachother. Maybe it is not common practice to ask diff counties opinions in larger counties, but in smaller counties with a young DA it would be more useful?
I mean even his own sheriffs circumvented him and went to a judge to get an arrest warrant.
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I can't really speak to what the DA did or did not do in terms of building consensus on whether or not to charge this case. I don't know much about him or his level of experience, though a cursory Google search reveals he worked as a prosecutor in Summit County, CO, and previously has prosecuted at least one homicide. Just to be clear, I don't think the sheriffs necessarily "circumvented him," by going directly to a judge for an arrest warrant. My mother is a judge, and police routinely contact her directly for search and arrest authorizations.

 
Originally posted by: MaxDepth
NBA? Pthhhhhpt.
I could care less. It is amazing to me that ordinary people have become so polarized on this issue. Shouldn't there be innocent before being proved guilty. And too, doesn't the accuser have the right to a fair hearing?

Arguing on either side at this point, right or wrong, just tells me that too many people have very lame, insignificant lives.
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roger that.

man..all the people are so for or against everything...
they claim the otherside has no real evidence, but are oblivious to the fact that they're also acting on opinion and judgement alone...

she could be a psycho, gold-digging whore
and he could be a lying, adultering-rapist

but that's for the judge/jury to decide...
does the fact that she has such a "history" matter?
what about the fact that he's a millionaire superstar known across the world?
what about race? prejudism? personal bias?

of course...even for the judge/jury it'll all come into play...
you can't tell me that just because colorado law states that such history can't be played in court in such a case that the jury will completely disregard it...

bottom line is all we can do is speculate until aug.6th or whatever until the trial ends...

whatever the outcome we're definatly going to have people who brag about how right they were and others who say that the trial was BS...

doesn't matter...that's the legal system here...if you don't like it, go to a country where the rapist would have been shot on the spot, and then the victim would be shot later by a crazed fan or something...
 
most of the posting I've seen on this subject forget one very important thing: rape is not about passion, it is about control. It has nothing to do with how the woman or girl looks. :brokenheart:
 
here is my take...

she began having consensual v@ginal intercourse with him....
then he decides to try @nal intercourse (according to Matt Drudge, developing story),
it ends up hurting her, and she's upset/mad at him. he blows it off,
she tells her mom, who tells her "you've been raped"


rape? consensual sex?
who knows? what's the truth?
semi-consensual sex? (o.k. until it hurt?)

I'm sure she now believes she was raped....but I personally doubt it (more like post-sex remorse).

there probably is no one "truth" in this case, just what the different parties believe to be true.
 
where is her e-mail address and phone number listed at? just outta curiousity, ain't gonna contact her. and TSCENTER, your comment about leaving the car running is one of the funniest things I have read.
 
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just to be fair
This happened a couple of years ago, why wait until now to report this?
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I admit that I am a Kobe fan.. but the beginning of the article where the writer tells of an incident of an unamed championship player kissing a female is intentionally vague. It implies that the player was Kobe, but he goes out of his way to make sure it is never stated explicitly. I read that part a couple of times, and I have to read it to be that the story was about somebody else and the writer wanted sensationalize his story. Remember, though I am a Kobe fan but seems like the writer did some careful maneuvering with his piece.
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I read that article and I must say your reading into things way too much. i dont see anything that implies the unamed player is kobe bryant
 
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