Among other ways, such as permitting one's self to be in a situation one did not anticipate and cannot get out of because they didn't have the sense to avoid it in the first place. What did she think was the reason for which star athletes invited women to their rooms in the middle of the night....to play tiddleywinks and jacks. Paint each other's toenails and listen to boy bands?
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I think your point is well taken, but I respectfully disagree that, by going to his room, this girl abandoned all of her rights to decline to have sex. I am NOT assuming Kobe is guilty, but I can't see how her actions would vitiate his, if he did in fact have sex with her against her will.
Absolutely, she has every right to decline sex, just like I have every right to leave my car running and unlocked when I go into a convenience store.
Right, what is more likely and believable:
This 19 year-old NBA groupie thought Kobe was inviting her up to his hotel room in the middle of the night for some tiddleywinks and toenail painting, had no idea or suspicion he might have other motives, and was raped.
This 19 year-old NBA groupie knew damned well why women are invited up to star athlete's hotel rooms in the middle of the night, and went anyway.
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That is a piss-poor analogy IMO. By the same logic, it would be her fault if he had chopped her into tiny pieces, since she had theoretically assumed that risk by going to his room.
Hmm, which is the more reasonable suspicion:
- Kobe wants to have sex with me
- Kobe wants to axe murder me
And you're presuming Kobe is guilty. I'm still operating under the presumption the girl may have been rape or she may not have been raped.
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considering she works at the hotel there might well have been several perfectly valid reasons for her going to his room.
If she was working, sure. I haven't heard anything to suggest she was working at the time and nobody has yet mentioned one way or another.
Umm... every story I have read said she was a Concierge there and was working that night, and that Kobe called to bring him something. I think towels was mentioned. Let me see if I can find some more info. Do you have any information that she WASN'T on duty? That is an awful huge leap in logic, even for you.
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Innocent. Maybe she likes it rough? S&M type who knows? But any girl at his room late at night wanted it or she would'nt be there. She knew what he wanted. Like Tyson she's sueing/prosecuting for money, unlike tyson he's got good character. And hers is suspect at best..Sorry "lady" you're going to loose.
The event allegedly occured between 10:00pm and 11:15 mountain time, she was seen clocking out and leaving the resort at 11:15, in "hysterics".
How can you say that, you dont know Kobe personally, most of Kobes team mates dont know him personally. All everyone knows is his public persona which has turned out to be a farce(adultry), just like Jordans.
How do you know WHY or HOW she went to his room? You are assuming things that YOU cannot assume, because you don't have the information.
Thank god none of you morons do anything in society that requires actual logic and brain power. The world would really be a frightening place if that were the case. You can't really hurt anything, including yourselves, by sitting behind your keyboards posting on message forums. I again thank God.
didn't she go up to the room after her work hours? Hmmmm lets see Kobe who gets propositioned by many groupies and I guess the violent rapist in him this time decided to drag a women into his hotel room and rape her. Seems really unlikely to me. If he had these tendencies I'm sure some groupie would have already sold her story to the media about what a sex deviant Kobe is. Only person coming out is his ex girlfriend saying he isn't the type. Brandi hasn't said anything against him. I guess Kobe is a regular jekyll and hyde. He's probably boned a good number of girls on the road but infedelity isn't a crime and if it were probably 1/2 the population is guilty of it but it doesn't make him a rapist. Besides if you saw him swing at Chris Childs and his other altercations Kobe couldn't bruise anybody if he tried.
From all the reports I have seen, she went up there while working, and left the resort after clocking out at 11:15pm mountain time, this is what other people that know the case(and arent under seal) have said. Although there are other reports out there, that currently have no credible backing.
No one(media, general public) will know for sure until either, the seal is lifted, or the trial starts.
Good and clean relative to your average NBA star? That isn't saying a whole lot.
But since when has 'clean cut and mild mannered' meant 'celibate'?
According to this LA Times timeline (which may have some bias, but as a news source should have some level of credibility):
Though vague it heavily implies that she went after her shift.
And from Nitemare's post towards the front:
I admit that I am a Kobe fan.. but the beginning of the article where the writer tells of an incident of an unamed championship player kissing a female is intentionally vague. It implies that the player was Kobe, but he goes out of his way to make sure it is never stated explicitly. I read that part a couple of times, and I have to read it to be that the story was about somebody else and the writer wanted sensationalize his story. Remember, though I am a Kobe fan but seems like the writer did some careful maneuvering with his piece.
Another comment: Did anybody notice during the DA press conference, he was asked that if in filing the charges he was acting in the concensus of the other counties' DAs that he had consulted with. He did not answer the question and dodged it (after verbally stumbling a bit) by reiterating that he had consulted with other DAs. I'm no interrogator, but it implies to me that his case not as absolute as it could be. Any answer besides "Yes, there is a concensus that charges should be filed" shows a weakness. If there was not even a majority there, proving it "beyond a reasonable doubt" will not be easy.
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I did not see the press conference you describe, but I see no reason why a DA would be obligated to consult with prosecutors in other jurisdictions before charging, nor do I think the lack of such a consensus would indicate a lack of confidence in the case. In my experience working in U.S. Attorney's offices and as a military prosecutor, these conversations take place between the prosecutors within an office, not between one office and another.
To reiterate what I have said above, I have no earthly idea if Kobe is guilty, and am not presuming his guilt. The DA seems generally confident that his case is strong, but a certain amount of that may be marketing - it would not do him, or the case any good if he were perceived as tentative about it.
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