Brady or Manning... A simple POLL

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
No, the colts OL is the main reason they won the SB last year along with JA and
a much improved D vs the run. Same goes for Brady now, yea he's completing %73
of his passes but he is getting stellar blocking up front. As for being "stacked" @ WR
the Colts have been for years and now the Pat's can finally match up. I think it's a draw,
either one would make a fine choice to build a team around..

You're kidding, right? The Colts had the 21st ranked defense last year and the 32nd ranked run defense. Much improved on what aspect?

Gotta LOL @ your comment that the OL was the main reason. If you take away Peyton Manning from that offense they go nowhere. He is the main reason that the Colts are any good, period.

The Colts haven't been stacked at WR for years. Harrison is a HOF but Wayne was made by Manning and Stokley only had one good year with the Colts. He wasn't even a factor last year.

Now look at the Patriots this year. Randy Moss was always good in Oakland but he just didn't show up at the game since he didn't care. Now that he cares he is making his usual plays. Wes Welker was amazing with the Dolphins last year and now that he has a good QB throwing to him he's on fire. Let's add Stallworth in there too.

Brady never had wideouts this good.

The 21st run defense meant nothing once the playoff started, the run D played fine in the
playoffs where it matters most. LOL all you want but you can put Jhonny f-ing Unitus back
there but if he's not getting blocking, he's not completing passes. And how does a QB "make"
a receiver?, show him how to run a route or catch a ball?. They have coaches for that. Not trying
to take anything away from PM, he played great during their SB run but the blocking of the OL
and running of JA helped give them a balanced attack missing since edge left..

Can you read? 21st overall defense and 32nd ranked run defense. How in the heck is that improved at all? Playoffs? Larry Johnson barely touched the ball. Jamal Lewis can't run anyway.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Did you watch the games last year? The Colts D kicked ass at the end of the season and in the playoffs. I am at work right now but I will find the stats for you later if you are still spouting this bs.

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: ducci
It's the 4th quarter. You are down by 1 with no timeouts and 40 seconds to go in the Super Bowl. You are on your own 20-yard line.

Ignore receivers, offensive line, and coaches. Who do you want as your QB?

Answer - Tom Brady.

And Manning can't pull a team for a 4th quarter win?

Ever consider that Manning might not have as many 4th quarter comebacks because he never put his team in that position?

False.

Manning went 0-3 in his first 3 postseason appearances.

Brady went 6-0, including 2 super bowl titles, in his first two appearances. 3-0 as a 2nd-string QB his 2nd year as a pro.

/thread.


I have such a huge man crush on Peyton that it's ridiculous. I am beyond ectstatic that he got a ring so people would stop bitching about that.

But the fact of the matter is Tom Brady isn't good because of the system, he is making the system look good because of him. Brady has a good team around him, so does Manning. But when the shit hits the fan I take Brady (from looking at the records in big games and postseason).

So many of you people are saying well the pats are supposed to win because of their team, well how many teams do you see that are supposed to win and don't? That's the NFL today. I don't care if you have the best team ever put together around you in today's NFL winning 3 super bowls in 4 years is so impressive it's crazy. I honestly don't know if that will ever happen again (outside of the pats possibly over the next few years).

 

[Acanthus]

Anyone in the NFL can throw to $60mil worth of recievers and do well...

That being said, they are both good, i couldnt pick one over the other.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Cruisin1
I honestly don't see how there is a debate here... Brady proves time and time again he is the better quarterback...

Such as when they met in 2006?

Brady has a better team post season record, better post season individual stats and better post season clutch play. /thread.

 

[Phokus]

You know, it's funny, after Brady won his first SB, the knock on him was that he had a 'weak arm' ... of course that was quickly disproven. Then the knock on Brady was that he was a 'system quarterback'... and that was quickly disproven after so many years and so much evolution to their offense (after Weiss left, they started sending coaches to Florida to incorporate the Gator's offensive scheme... and they have so much turnover at WR), then it was stats and now Brady is proving that wrong... i mean really, it's like you Brady haters love being proven wrong or something.

 

[Deeko]

You Patriots fans can't decide if you want to go by stats, or wins, or this season, or entire career...you aren't worth my time. In one instance, wins matter, because that's what its all about. In another instance, look at the stats! The stats tell all! Make up your mind.

At this point, I think signs point to Peyton Manning being a better quarterback than Tom Brady. We won't really have an answer for another 5-10 years, because they're really only just entering their primes. What if Harrison retires, and Peyton goes on to win 4 more? What if his QB rating drops to 60 next year? Its too early to tell who will have had the better career. John Elway wasn't considered "a true great" by the pundits until his 16th season, then suddenly he's top 10, maybe even top 5, of all time.

In short, Peyton Manning is a god on the field, Tom Brady sells kittens to shady chinese food restaurants. GO TONY ROMO!

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You Patriots fans can't decide if you want to go by stats, or wins, or this season, or entire career...you aren't worth my time. In one instance, wins matter, because that's what its all about. In another instance, look at the stats! The stats tell all! Make up your mind.

At this point, I think signs point to Peyton Manning being a better quarterback than Tom Brady. We won't really have an answer for another 5-10 years, because they're really only just entering their primes. What if Harrison retires, and Peyton goes on to win 4 more? What if his QB rating drops to 60 next year? Its too early to tell who will have had the better career. John Elway wasn't considered "a true great" by the pundits until his 16th season, then suddenly he's top 10, maybe even top 5, of all time.

In short, Peyton Manning is a god on the field, Tom Brady sells kittens to shady chinese food restaurants. GO TONY ROMO!

Uhm, when it comes to the post season Brady > Manning in both individual performance and team record, that's the point. Manning simple wilts under heavy pressure of the playoffs.

 

[Deeko]

Manning won the Superbowl last year. With a worse defense than the Patriots ever had during their superbowl runs. Manning could very well win several more superbowls over his career. Brady threw 3 picks in a game against the chargers last year and was lucky enough to win, only to throw a pick at a crucial moment (against the Colts mind you) in the championship game.

Last year, Peyton Manning was a better postseason QB than Tom Brady.

I'm done arguing with you for today. tata.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Manning won the Superbowl last year. With a worse defense than the Patriots ever had during their superbowl runs. Manning could very well win several more superbowls over his career. Brady threw 3 picks in a game against the chargers last year and was lucky enough to win, only to throw a pick at a crucial moment (against the Colts mind you) in the championship game.

Last year, Peyton Manning was a better postseason QB than Tom Brady.

I'm done arguing with you for today. tata.

Except you're cherry picking stats and games. Overall, Brady > Manning in postseason play. His defense sucked in the regular season, but when they got Bob Sanders back from injury, they were stopping everyone. You're done arguing with me because you have NOTHING to back up your ridiculous claims.

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/MannPe00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0
2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0
2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1
*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/BradTo00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1
2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0
*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0
2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0
2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0
*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0
2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1
2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0
*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0
2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0
2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0
2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0
2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0
2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

GG. owned.

 

[paulxcook]

In other news...

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
In other news...

Shrug, i know i'm annoying. You anti-Boston haters can kiss my Boston ass! :laugh:

 

[Deeko]

You posted that in the other thread already. You're also "cherry picking" and ignoring everything I just said in the last post. Last year, Peyton was better than Brady. Terrific Tom lost the game for the Patriots and cost them a chance at a 4th Superbowl. End of story. If you want to argue who is better on the all-time list, get back to me in 10 years. I'm done arguing with you because A) you're an idiot B) patriots fans are the only fans worse than eagles fans C) you have a vested interest in this argument, I do not, I don't like either team and they aren't in my team's conference so it really doesn't concern me D) arguing with people who have a bias, when you don't, gets old fast E) tom brady kills kittens, and I like kittens

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Deeko
Manning won the Superbowl last year. With a worse defense than the Patriots ever had during their superbowl runs. Manning could very well win several more superbowls over his career. Brady threw 3 picks in a game against the chargers last year and was lucky enough to win, only to throw a pick at a crucial moment (against the Colts mind you) in the championship game.

Last year, Peyton Manning was a better postseason QB than Tom Brady.

I'm done arguing with you for today. tata.

Except you're cherry picking stats and games. Overall, Brady > Manning in postseason play. His defense sucked in the regular season, but when they got Bob Sanders back from injury, they were stopping everyone. You're done arguing with me because you have NOTHING to back up your ridiculous claims.

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/MannPe00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0
2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0
2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1
*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/BradTo00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1
2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0
*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0
2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0
2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0
*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0
2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1
2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0
*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0
2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0
2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0
2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0
2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0
2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

GG. owned.

Basically:
Manning - 61.05% completion, 7.35 yards per attempt, 83.09 QB Rating
Brady - 60.69% completion, 6.6 yards per attempt, 86.24 QB Rating

Which is basically a difference of 3 in QB Rating... which isn't much difference at all.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You posted that in the other thread already. You're also "cherry picking" and ignoring everything I just said in the last post. Last year, Peyton was better than Brady. Terrific Tom lost the game for the Patriots and cost them a chance at a 4th Superbowl. End of story. If you want to argue who is better on the all-time list, get back to me in 10 years. I'm done arguing with you because A) you're an idiot B) patriots fans are the only fans worse than eagles fans C) you have a vested interest in this argument, I do not, I don't like either team and they aren't in my team's conference so it really doesn't concern me D) arguing with people who have a bias, when you don't, gets old fast E) tom brady kills kittens, and I like kittens

You're cherry picking a game trying to prove which one is better, yet you want to wait 10 years as well... which one is it? Are you going to use an outlier or take a whole picture into context? I provided Brady's and Manning's entire postseason career and you can't deny that Brady has a MUCH better overall playoff performance than Manning. You can keep dodging and dodging the issue but you can't deny this. And FYI, Manning threw an interception for a TOUCHDOWN in that game.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Deeko
Manning won the Superbowl last year. With a worse defense than the Patriots ever had during their superbowl runs. Manning could very well win several more superbowls over his career. Brady threw 3 picks in a game against the chargers last year and was lucky enough to win, only to throw a pick at a crucial moment (against the Colts mind you) in the championship game.

Last year, Peyton Manning was a better postseason QB than Tom Brady.

I'm done arguing with you for today. tata.

Except you're cherry picking stats and games. Overall, Brady > Manning in postseason play. His defense sucked in the regular season, but when they got Bob Sanders back from injury, they were stopping everyone. You're done arguing with me because you have NOTHING to back up your ridiculous claims.

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/MannPe00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0
2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0
2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1
*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/BradTo00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1
2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0
*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0
2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0
2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0
*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0
2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1
2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0
*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0
2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0
2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0
2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0
2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0
2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

GG. owned.

Basically:
Manning - 61.05% completion, 7.35 yards per attempt, 83.09 QB Rating
Brady - 60.69% completion, 6.6 yards per attempt, 86.24 QB Rating

Which is basically a difference of 3 in QB Rating... which isn't much difference at all.

Are you seriously using QB rating to make your argument? Interceptions/Turnovers are one of the best predictors of whether you win or lose. Manning has a LOT of Interceptions in the post season, especially relative to his TD's... coincidentally, he isn't very successful in the postseason! That is why he is less successful in the postseason play than Tom Brady. Tom Brady has a better than 2:1 TD/int ratio in the post season... Manning almost has a 1:1 turnover ratio. That is horrible for someone his caliber.

 

[Deeko]

You're still "cherry picking" and ignoring posts/parts of posts you don't like. I'm not going to repeat what multiple people have said already. Go back and reread the thread, if you have something worthwhile to respond with (that wasn't already covered) go for it. In the meantime, I'm going to hide all kittens in the Boston area because Tom is coming back to town.

GG. I owned you so hard. Chad Hutchinson is a better QB than Tom Brady.

 

[Lamont Burns]

This will be amusing to read about again on and after 11/4.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You're still "cherry picking" and ignoring posts/parts of posts you don't like. I'm not going to repeat what multiple people have said already. Go back and reread the thread, if you have something worthwhile to respond with (that wasn't already covered) go for it. In the meantime, I'm going to hide all kittens in the Boston area because Tom is coming back to town.

GG. I owned you so hard. Chad Hutchinson is a better QB than Tom Brady.

Lol, you owned me in your own mind. The reality is, i owned you, and you owned yourself (Mr. "I'm done arguing with you for today. tata."). You take ONE PLAYOFF GAME to make your argument, yet i give you both their entire postseason careeers. The only one owned is you, gg.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Deeko
Manning won the Superbowl last year. With a worse defense than the Patriots ever had during their superbowl runs. Manning could very well win several more superbowls over his career. Brady threw 3 picks in a game against the chargers last year and was lucky enough to win, only to throw a pick at a crucial moment (against the Colts mind you) in the championship game.

Last year, Peyton Manning was a better postseason QB than Tom Brady.

I'm done arguing with you for today. tata.

Except you're cherry picking stats and games. Overall, Brady > Manning in postseason play. His defense sucked in the regular season, but when they got Bob Sanders back from injury, they were stopping everyone. You're done arguing with me because you have NOTHING to back up your ridiculous claims.

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/MannPe00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0
2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0
2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1
*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/BradTo00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1
2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0
*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0
2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0
2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0
*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0
2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1
2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0
*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0
2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0
2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0
2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0
2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0
2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

GG. owned.

Basically:
Manning - 61.05% completion, 7.35 yards per attempt, 83.09 QB Rating
Brady - 60.69% completion, 6.6 yards per attempt, 86.24 QB Rating

Which is basically a difference of 3 in QB Rating... which isn't much difference at all.

Are you seriously using QB rating to make your argument? Interceptions/Turnovers are one of the best predictors of whether you win or lose. Manning has a LOT of Interceptions in the post season, especially relative to his TD's... coincidentally, he isn't very successful in the postseason! That is why he is less successful in the postseason play than Tom Brady. Tom Brady has a better than 2:1 TD/int ratio in the post season... Manning almost has a 1:1 turnover ratio. That is horrible for someone his caliber.

There's three games that stick out. One where Manning had a 4 INT game against a great Patriots Defense in 2003. Another against the Chiefs 3 INT (which wasn't a great defense) last year. And in 2006 2 INT against a very good Baltimore defense. At the same token I don't think Brady has faced a defense the caliber of the 2003/2004 Patriots, and 2006 Ravens in the postseason. Albeit Manning has had the better support talent, it's hard to win when your best receivers (Harrison/Wayne) are being blanketed by great defenders.

 

[Deeko]

Lets see how Tom Brady does in the playoffs when he doesn't have the opposition's signals. Then he'll actually have to study film, instead of spending his free time torturing innocent baby cats.

Nice ownage, cheater.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Deeko
Manning won the Superbowl last year. With a worse defense than the Patriots ever had during their superbowl runs. Manning could very well win several more superbowls over his career. Brady threw 3 picks in a game against the chargers last year and was lucky enough to win, only to throw a pick at a crucial moment (against the Colts mind you) in the championship game.

Last year, Peyton Manning was a better postseason QB than Tom Brady.

I'm done arguing with you for today. tata.

Except you're cherry picking stats and games. Overall, Brady > Manning in postseason play. His defense sucked in the regular season, but when they got Bob Sanders back from injury, they were stopping everyone. You're done arguing with me because you have NOTHING to back up your ridiculous claims.

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/MannPe00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0
2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0
2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1
*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/players/BradTo00.htm


Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1
2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0
*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0
2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0
2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0
*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0
2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1
2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0
*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0
2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0
2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0
2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0
2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0
2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

GG. owned.

Basically:
Manning - 61.05% completion, 7.35 yards per attempt, 83.09 QB Rating
Brady - 60.69% completion, 6.6 yards per attempt, 86.24 QB Rating

Which is basically a difference of 3 in QB Rating... which isn't much difference at all.

Are you seriously using QB rating to make your argument? Interceptions/Turnovers are one of the best predictors of whether you win or lose. Manning has a LOT of Interceptions in the post season, especially relative to his TD's... coincidentally, he isn't very successful in the postseason! That is why he is less successful in the postseason play than Tom Brady. Tom Brady has a better than 2:1 TD/int ratio in the post season... Manning almost has a 1:1 turnover ratio. That is horrible for someone his caliber.

There's three games that stick out. One where Manning had a 4 INT game against a great Patriots Defense in 2003. Another against the Chiefs 3 INT (which wasn't a great defense) last year. And in 2006 2 INT against a very good Baltimore defense. At the same token I don't think Brady has faced a defense the caliber of the 2003/2004 Patriots, and 2006 Ravens in the postseason. Albeit Manning has had the better support talent, it's hard to win when your best receivers (Harrison/Wayne) are being blanketed by great defenders.

What about when Manning got blanked 41-0 by the Jets? Really, he hasn't had good games against both good AND bad defenses. Throwing 3 picks against KC and still winning just goes to show how the Colt's Defense stepped up. Brady has had to face Pittsburgh, Tennesse, San Diego, and Indy's defense (who was steam rolling everyone once bob sanders came back). Out of those, the only truly gagworthy performance was the one in San Diego.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Lets see how Tom Brady does in the playoffs when he doesn't have the opposition's signals. Then he'll actually have to study film, instead of spending his free time torturing innocent baby cats.

Nice ownage, cheater.

"I'm done arguing with you for today. tata." - Deeko

Keep owning yourself.

 

[Deeko]

I don't know if you noticed, but I stopped actually arguing with you quite awhile ago. You kept going though, its been amusing.

What's it like having your dynasty tarnished by cheating?

 

[j00fek]

not even a question

Brady

 

[krunchykrome]

I really...really hate Patriots and Redskins fans.

At least the skins fans are consistent with their support.

 

[meltdown75]

Brady Bunch of TDs