Brady or Manning... A simple POLL

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't know if you noticed, but I stopped actually arguing with you quite awhile ago. You kept going though, its been amusing.

What's it like having your dynasty tarnished by cheating?

Considering you have to cry about videotaping open signals and it makes you head explode, it feels GRRRRRRRRREAT! :laugh:

P.s. you're still arguing with me.



"I'm done arguing with you for today. tata." - Deeko

GG owned. :laugh:

 

[paulxcook]

Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

end of thread!

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Be more of an Indy homer.

 

[Deeko]

Really? Your team is the one that cheated. All those great postseason stats for Brady, punch a '*' next to all of em cuz they're dirtier than Barry Bonds' home runs, and they led to championships. What a bunch of dirty cheaters. We may never know if the Patriots were really a good team or not, Tom Brady might have been a pretty pedestrian postseason QB were he playing legit football, hell...they might have even put Drew Bledsoe back in!

and if you think I'm still arguing with you, you're really dense, and playing into my hands better than I ever could have expected. What's it like knowing that Quincy Carter was a more legitimate postseason QB than Tom Brady? At least Quincy Carter didn't steal signals...he just did drugs in the locker room.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You Patriots fans can't decide if you want to go by stats, or wins, or this season, or entire career...you aren't worth my time. In one instance, wins matter, because that's what its all about. In another instance, look at the stats! The stats tell all! Make up your mind.

At this point, I think signs point to Peyton Manning being a better quarterback than Tom Brady. We won't really have an answer for another 5-10 years, because they're really only just entering their primes. What if Harrison retires, and Peyton goes on to win 4 more? What if his QB rating drops to 60 next year? Its too early to tell who will have had the better career. John Elway wasn't considered "a true great" by the pundits until his 16th season, then suddenly he's top 10, maybe even top 5, of all time.

In short, Peyton Manning is a god on the field, Tom Brady sells kittens to shady chinese food restaurants. GO TONY ROMO!

I believe the question is who is the better QB - Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Not who will have the better career, or who will win the most Super Bowls. If that was the case you'd have to look at the team as a whole, and that basically defeats the whole point of the question in the first place.

I see it as who would you pick to be the QB of your team. Right now.

Both are considered greats already, this is not really a question - in fact, I imagine if both their careers ended right now, they would be definite contenders for the Hall-of-Fame.

I base my judgment on stats (and "wins" is actually a stat). And really, current performance by either player this season isn't greatly affecting my opinion. I've posted this before but I seem to get overlooked:

7-0 in overtime. 12-2 in the postseason. 24 game-winning drives to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter or overtime. Six of his game-winning efforts have come in the postseason.

Basically, he wins games. He wins games that matter, and he wins games in any condition. Actually, up until this season, he hasn't been known to blow out opponents. That was something Manning was more noted for. Now that he has this insane receiving corp, he is showing that he is also capable of putting up Manning-like numbers.

Regardless, those numbers are largely irrelevant. Winning games, especially in the 4th quarter, especially in the playoffs, and especially in all weather conditions are what matter.

I find it a bit ironic how we can also argue who is a better kicker - the ex-Colt Vanderjagt or the ex-Patriot Vinatieri. One is the most accurate kicker of all-time. The other has won more games than any other kicker.

And for the record, Phokus is annoying to me as well. Chill out with the massive nested quotes.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

end of thread!

GG OWNED :laugh:

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Be more of an Indy homer.

I bolded the important part for you.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Ahahahaha, you're calling NE fans bandwagoners? AHAHAHAHA, just look at the Colts fanbase:

http://home.businesswire.com/p...071001005193&ndmHsc=v2*A1191247200000*B1191311634000*DgroupByIndustry*E1000171*G2*J1*N1000001&newsLang=en&beanID=1802668732&viewID=news_view_popup

You guys were at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the 'favorite NFL teams' for years (Ranking as low as 27th in 1999)... Look at 2004/2005/2006 afterwards, what a big jump. If that's not band wagon, i don't know what is. The Patriots have sold out all games since 1994.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Ahahahaha, you're calling NE fans bandwagoners? AHAHAHAHA, just look at the Colts fanbase:

You guys were at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the 'favorite NFL teams' for years (Ranking as low as 27th in 1999)... Look at 2004/2005/2006 afterwards, what a big jump. If that's not band wagon, i don't know what is. The Patriots have sold out all games since 1994.

That's mainly because all the Red Sox fans had no other sports to watch after August.

...zing.

Edit: to get rid of the retarded link

 

[SSSnail]

OK, you guys should just let this die until...


WEEK 9!

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Really? Your team is the one that cheated. All those great postseason stats for Brady, punch a '*' next to all of em cuz they're dirtier than Barry Bonds' home runs, and they led to championships. What a bunch of dirty cheaters. We may never know if the Patriots were really a good team or not, Tom Brady might have been a pretty pedestrian postseason QB were he playing legit football, hell...they might have even put Drew Bledsoe back in!

and if you think I'm still arguing with you, you're really dense, and playing into my hands better than I ever could have expected. What's it like knowing that Quincy Carter was a more legitimate postseason QB than Tom Brady? At least Quincy Carter didn't steal signals...he just did drugs in the locker room.

You think i give a sh*t? Please. Jimmy Johnson admited taping signals with KC, your favorite team DALLAS, and Miami even though it was against the rules. Switzer even agreed with Jimmy that he did it in dallas with Dallas' 3rd championship. Hell, Johnson even admitted he had interns rifling through garbage trying to steal opposing coaches notes. If you want to put a * next to the Cowboys championships too.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yo...viewtopic.php?t=273719

GG, OWNED

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Ahahahaha, you're calling NE fans bandwagoners? AHAHAHAHA, just look at the Colts fanbase:

http://home.businesswire.com/p...071001005193&ndmHsc=v2*A1191247200000*B1191311634000*DgroupByIndustry*E1000171*G2*J1*N1000001&newsLang=en&beanID=1802668732&viewID=news_view_popup

You guys were at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the 'favorite NFL teams' for years (Ranking as low as 27th in 1999)... Look at 2004/2005/2006 afterwards, what a big jump. If that's not band wagon, i don't know what is. The Patriots have sold out all games since 1994.

I bolded the important part for you you too, slugger.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Ahahahaha, you're calling NE fans bandwagoners? AHAHAHAHA, just look at the Colts fanbase:

http://home.businesswire.com/p...071001005193&ndmHsc=v2*A1191247200000*B1191311634000*DgroupByIndustry*E1000171*G2*J1*N1000001&newsLang=en&beanID=1802668732&viewID=news_view_popup

You guys were at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the 'favorite NFL teams' for years (Ranking as low as 27th in 1999)... Look at 2004/2005/2006 afterwards, what a big jump. If that's not band wagon, i don't know what is. The Patriots have sold out all games since 1994.

I bolded the important part for you you too, slugger.

Oh i understand that, but even in jest, Colts fans should be the LAST ones to talk about bandwagon fans

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Ahahahaha, you're calling NE fans bandwagoners? AHAHAHAHA, just look at the Colts fanbase:

http://home.businesswire.com/p...071001005193&ndmHsc=v2*A1191247200000*B1191311634000*DgroupByIndustry*E1000171*G2*J1*N1000001&newsLang=en&beanID=1802668732&viewID=news_view_popup

You guys were at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the 'favorite NFL teams' for years (Ranking as low as 27th in 1999)... Look at 2004/2005/2006 afterwards, what a big jump. If that's not band wagon, i don't know what is. The Patriots have sold out all games since 1994.

I bolded the important part for you you too, slugger.

Oh i understand that, but even in jest, Colts fans should be the LAST ones to talk about bandwagon fans

And Patriot fans should be the last ones to talk about stats when all Colts fans heard for years was that Manning was a stats whore, winning was all that mattered, etc.

And for the record, the bandwagonism in this city is a little annoying, but assuming it sticks, I'm ok with it. I was a fan in the bad old days, and it sucked. Winning is much nicer.

 

[videogames101]

uh... 7-0?

 

[Deeko]

When you're posting blatently incorrect information, you really shouldn't use that "GG, OWNED" signature. It wasn't illegal when Jimmy Johnson did it. It was illegal this year when the pats got caught.

BILL BILLECHEAT AND TOM CHEATRY - they should be banned from the league.

ps - even Jeff Garcia gets hotter girls than Tom Brady. He doesn't even like girls!

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Since we're abandoning reason in favor of silliness...

-The Patriots* cheat.
-NE fans are bandwagoners and know nothing about football.
-Brady is a system QB and can't pick his own plays. And he cuddles with GOATS!
-Manning is in Belicheat's head and has beat the Pats three out of their last three games.
-Randy Moss is a one trick pony and a locker room cancer.
-Belicheat is a philandering prick

Ahahahaha, you're calling NE fans bandwagoners? AHAHAHAHA, just look at the Colts fanbase:

http://home.businesswire.com/p...071001005193&ndmHsc=v2*A1191247200000*B1191311634000*DgroupByIndustry*E1000171*G2*J1*N1000001&newsLang=en&beanID=1802668732&viewID=news_view_popup

You guys were at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the 'favorite NFL teams' for years (Ranking as low as 27th in 1999)... Look at 2004/2005/2006 afterwards, what a big jump. If that's not band wagon, i don't know what is. The Patriots have sold out all games since 1994.

I bolded the important part for you you too, slugger.

Oh i understand that, but even in jest, Colts fans should be the LAST ones to talk about bandwagon fans

And Patriot fans should be the last ones to talk about stats when all Colts fans heard for years was that Manning was a stats whore, winning was all that mattered, etc.

And for the record, the bandwagonism in this city is a little annoying, but assuming it sticks, I'm ok with it. I was a fan in the bad old days, and it sucked. Winning is much nicer.

Yeah, after Manning retires i don't see a small market team maintaining the enthusiasm that they do now. At least Patriots fans can proudly point out that the Pats have sold out every game since '94, even before their SB run.

As for the stats thing, the converse could be true too, Colts fans used the stats thing to prove 'how much better manning was than brady' (conveniently ignoring post season stats, of course).

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
When you're posting blatently incorrect information, you really shouldn't use that "GG, OWNED" signature. It wasn't illegal when Jimmy Johnson did it. It was illegal this year when the pats got caught.

BILL BILLECHEAT AND TOM CHEATRY - they should be banned from the league.

ps - even Jeff Garcia gets hotter girls than Tom Brady. He doesn't even like girls!

Lol, now you're delusional, it's always been illegal to use videocameras. They didn't just make it up :roll:

Poor poor deluded Deeko. Maybe you should go back to your Cowboys crackhouse and smoke up with Michael Irvin or something, leave the football to the real fans.

P.S. gg owned.

 

[Deeko]

Go back and do your research again, sport. I'm not going to do it for you.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Go back and do your research again, sport. I'm not going to do it for you.

Your making claims that you can't back up... yet again...

Again, gg owned.

Cheating cowboys :roll:

 

[Lamont Burns]

Those are some pretty convenient morals regarding NFL and cheating you got there Deeko.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: LAMONTBURNS
Those are some pretty convenient morals regarding NFL and cheating you got there Deeko.

Shhhhh.... the cowboys don't smoke crack, don't hire prostitutes, don't videotape signals, don't steal opposing teams notes in Deeko's world, lets let him pretend that.

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: paulxcook
And Patriot fans should be the last ones to talk about stats when all Colts fans heard for years was that Manning was a stats whore, winning was all that mattered, etc.

And for the record, the bandwagonism in this city is a little annoying, but assuming it sticks, I'm ok with it. I was a fan in the bad old days, and it sucked. Winning is much nicer.

Yeah, after Manning retires i don't see a small market team maintaining the enthusiasm that they do now. At least Patriots fans can proudly point out that the Pats have sold out every game since '94, even before their SB run.

As for the stats thing, the converse could be true too, Colts fans used the stats thing to prove 'how much better manning was than brady' (conveniently ignoring post season stats, of course).

If you agree that the Indy market is tiny compared to the NE market, then selling out every game since '94 isn't that big of an accomplishment. If you figure a 1,000,000 person market and 57,000 available seats, vs. a 12,000,000 person market and 69,000 available seats, every 18th person needs to be enough of a Colts fan to go to the game, whereas only every 174th person needs to be enough of a Patriots* fan to go. A regional football team should really have enough fans of football to sell out every game since the beginning of the franchise.

I doubt Colts fanaticism will be as strong once Peyton retires, as it's just more fun to watch your team win and not everyone enjoys football on its own enough to be willing to commit to a team that doesn't entertain them every Sunday.

Yes, Colts fans used stats in the past, but now that he has stats and a ring, it's still not good enough for you noreasters. You bring up past failures when your golden boy and your dynasty choked away a commanding 2nd half lead in the AFCCG last year.

We'll see how the season goes.

 

[Deeko]

ahh, no phokus, it wasn't illegal then. I'd send you a link, but its not my problem you're ignorant to the truth. Do your own research, I already told you I'm done arguing with you, so I don't need to prove anything to you. Of course you had a golden opportunity to say something intelligent there, but intsead you resorted to "you're wrong, gg owned". If only you knew a little bit more...too bad.

ps "lamontburns", if that is your real name, if they didn't break a rule, its not cheating. Pretty cut and dry, you're right, I guess that is convenient. If the 1904 Chicago Cardinals threw a forward pass to win a game, they'd have cheated, because that was breaking a rule, even if its legal now. Conversely, if the 1992 Cowboys taped signals, it wasn't cheating, because it wasn't breaking a rule. Pretty simple logic if you ask me!