Black teenager who was shot after mistakenly going to the wrong house begged neighbors for help — but was ignored

[HomerJS]

From this article:

White man accused of shooting Black teen who rang wrong doorbell faces 2 felony charges

An 84-year-old white man faces two felony counts, including assault in the first degree, for shooting Ralph Yarl, a Black 16-year-old, who rang the doorbell of his home mistakenly.

www.yahoo.com

Derrick Johnson, president and CEO of the NAACP, expressed anger in a statement over how the incident had played out.

“Tonight, millions of Black parents across America are going to have The Talk again, this time adding another item to the list: don’t ring the wrong doorbell,” Johnson said Monday.

I just <smfh>
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That talk again. The talk black parents have to have with their kids that white parents don't.

 

[Fenixgoon]

There's no conversation to have. There's a handful of people addicted to money who figured out they can get more money if half the nation hates and fears the other half. Not very complicated.

That has been our history for ~350 years in this country (well, back since it was a colony). The idea of "race" was created expressly to sow socio-economic divisions between poor laborers, so that poor "white" laborers would not join poor "black" laborers to rise up against the land-owners whose farms they worked.

Someone on the forums linked to a video they did on a history of "whiteness" a while back. It was pretty fascinating. And some other videos I've seen by history professors indicate the idea race/racism against African peoples goes as far back as about the mid 1400s. The idea of race was specifically codified in law in the US (then colonies) around 1680 though

 

[interchange]

Just as fucked up:

NY woman driven to wrong address fatally shot by homeowner

Authorities say a 20-year-old woman on her way to a friend’s house in upstate New York was driven to the wrong address and quickly shot to death by the homeowner. Washington County Sheriff Jeffrey Murphy said Monday that 65-year-old Kevin Monahan was arrested on a second-degree murder charge for...

apnews.com

Possibly more...

I think there is a serious problem with the media and political narratives (esp. conservative ones) than lead people to believe they have a right to shoot people for simply being on their property.

 

[HomerJS]

I have many times only to be called a liar etc by you and MrSquished.
Not worth the effort.

That's one of the biggest problems with politics, lack of factual standards. Lying is so reflexive that confusion reigns. Muddy the waters has become an effective defense strategy.

If you outright lie about something, you should be called out. I'll speak for myself I only use that term when deserved.

 

[Paratus]

I guarantee @13Gigatons will be on the dark right wing web looking for times Ralph was suspended from school so he can justify the shooting.

"Dat boy was just a thug"

In that same vein, I noted that the first article I read online stated the boy was a band section leader, an excellent student, and was looking to go to Texas A&M to be a chemical engineer. I thought it was incredbily smart if that was pushed by the parents or attorney's they hired to get his background into the article. As you well know to many times when a minority gets shot the reporting focuses on whatever past transgressions they can find or insinuate about the victim.

Instead they got out that he was nice, smart boy who was just trying to help his parents out by picking up his siblings. (Virtually everything they said about him and he did could apply to my own kids).

It's helped set the narrative so even all @13Gigatons could say is be careful knocking on doors at night because some gun owners are irresponsible.

 

[Muse]

OK, nothing hard to understand about this:

That 84 year old man should not have had a gun. :Colbert:

You shouldn't either

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Just as fucked up:

NY woman driven to wrong address fatally shot by homeowner

Authorities say a 20-year-old woman on her way to a friend’s house in upstate New York was driven to the wrong address and quickly shot to death by the homeowner. Washington County Sheriff Jeffrey Murphy said Monday that 65-year-old Kevin Monahan was arrested on a second-degree murder charge for...

apnews.com

You can see the true feelings of the right wing by visiting conservative forums and seeing their comments on these two specific topics. Almost every one about Ralph Yarl is how they just know there's more to the story and he just had to have been up to something criminal. They just know it. Every fucking comment.

Pretty little blond girl? Crickets. No one suspects she was up to anything. Not a hint of it.

 

[allisolm]

The shooter should have NEVER been issued a gun license and a firearm.

That 84 year old man should not have had a gun. :Colbert:

Unfortunately for Ralph Yarl, there is no requirement for a license or registration for handguns in Missouri, so the shooter could have been given the gun, could have a ghost gun, could have bought the gun off of Craig's List or from a friend, and it would be legal. Pretty much the same where I live in FL. In my mind, those are guns laws that need to be stricter. Unfortunately, the current trend seems to make them more lax instead.

 

[HomerJS]

I'll summarize for the last time in this thread the @13Gigatons response and why the media is part of the problem.

I guarantee he gets his information exclusively from media outlets such as Fox or other right wing sources. That media wants to control the narrative when it comes to gun violence by running Chicago incidents on a 24x7 loop. How many times when there is unnecessary gun violence the reaction from Fox is push a story on Chicago. Chicago is used just as reflexively as woke. I labeled this incident as 10% fear. It's fear of black people. Run crime stories daily and their audience thinks soon as you step into a city you will be shot or mugged.

I'm not that bright, so how was I able to accurately predict the reaction of @13Gigatons? Parents did a smart thing and publish Ralph's bio to blunt the usual right wing thug attack. Absent that 13G retreated back into his right wing bubble and looked for stories on what? Crime in Chicago! Right on queue! How did I know?! Deflect!

He claims my reaction to the racial component of this is misplaced because we have minorities who do well in America and racism is an old problem. For the record, I put proliferation guns in the hands of the unqualified as a close second but switching their positions can be justified. To illustrate my point, let's change the central characters, shooter is a 50 year old black male and the victim is blonde white girl soliciting for her school soccer team and she is the one shot. Does anyone here really think @13Gigatons would be sympathetic to that shooter?

What makes this case more unique (bad English) absent the racism this would not have happened. Absent the gun this would not have happened. We have a cadre of people who don't want to address either. Someone in an earlier post mentioned black parents are going to have to have "the talk" yet again with their kids. Evidence racism isn't just an old problem.

 

[Muse]

This thread is already on page 5 but in case it wasn't mentioned (unlikely) or someone missed it (likely) I will mention that the kid got the wrong house because the address was for such.and.such Street and not such.and.such Lane (or similar). I had jobs where I delivered whatever based on addresses provided on labels. This is a 16 YO kid. Smart as he was, that kind of error is so understandable. Glad he's expected a "full recovery" but the extent and nature of the injuries as announced on ABC network news last night made that seem not so likely. Traumatic brain injury, concussion, being just a couple. And, of course, PTSD after that is likely formidable.

 

[gothuevos]

Holy shit, so you can get shot now for either ringing the wrong doorbell or going into the wrong driveway.

And OK state officials gleefully talking about wishing they could bring back lynching or hire hitmen to take out reporters. I wonder what other conversations are had in GOP circles where there are no recording devices? All robust policy proposals, I'm sure.

This is no fucking way to live. Where you could get pumped full of bullets at the drop of a hat and many within one of the country's major political parties hates your guts.

 

[vi edit]

I live on 28th PL. 28th AVE is literally one street over. We both have the same house numbers. I've had numerous packages delivered to the other one. Door dash drivers showing up to my place. Ect.
It happens all the time.

 

[brycejones]

I live on 28th PL. 28th AVE is literally one street over. We both have the same house numbers. I've had numerous packages delivered to the other one. Door dash drivers showing up to my place. Ect.
It happens all the time.

This. Depending on big the lots are lots of place in the KC area have numbered streets that go in a XXX St, XXX Terr, XXX PL pattern.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That has been our history for ~350 years in this country (well, back since it was a colony). The idea of "race" was created expressly to sow socio-economic divisions between poor laborers, so that poor "white" laborers would not join poor "black" laborers to rise up against the land-owners whose farms they worked.

Someone on the forums linked to a video they did on a history of "whiteness" a while back. It was pretty fascinating. And some other videos I've seen by history professors indicate the idea race/racism against African peoples goes as far back as about the mid 1400s. The idea of race was specifically codified in law in the US (then colonies) around 1680 though

Yup. We're just people. Some of us don't have to worry about food and shelter, and some of us choose to try to control other humans. The rest are pretty normal overall.

 

[eelw]

Oh nice, his high school did a walk out protest to support him.

 

[pcgeek11]

That's one of the biggest problems with politics, lack of factual standards. Lying is so reflexive that confusion reigns. Muddy the waters has become an effective defense strategy.

If you outright lie about something, you should be called out. I'll speak for myself I only use that term when deserved.

Bologna.

 

[eelw]

Lol shooter’s statement. He just got into bed. He heard the doorbell and grabbed his gun to check the door. He saw a huge black guy and was scare for life so he shot.

Yup robbers always ring the doorbell and stand by the doorway.

 

[HomerJS]

Bologna.

Once again, if you have an example where I called you a liar and you were not, spit it out.

I don't consider someone telling a lie necessarily a liar. When it becomes a pattern, or you insist on proclaiming something easily proven false you turn into a liar.

 

[interchange]

Lol shooter’s statement. He just got into bed. He heard the doorbell and grabbed his gun to check the door. He saw a huge black guy and was scare for life so he shot.

Yup robbers always ring the doorbell and stand by the doorway.

That is a way that robbers gain entry or check to see if someone is home prior to attempting a forced entry.

Still nowhere even close to a self-defense justification.

 

[pcgeek11]

Once again, if you have an example where I called you a liar and you were not, spit it out.

I don't consider someone telling a lie necessarily a liar. When it becomes a pattern, or you insist on proclaiming something easily proven false you turn into a liar.

You're not worth the electrons.

 

[HomerJS]

You're not worth the electrons.

In other words, you have nothing. Making shit up again. You deserve to be labeled a liar.

Everyone please observe the crazy right wing response to anything...

Right: Make an accusation..
Others: Show some evidence...
Right: I'm not doing your work for you.

We know what we are dealing with.

 

[vi edit]

Lol shooter’s statement. He just got into bed. He heard the doorbell and grabbed his gun to check the door. He saw a huge black guy and was scare for life so he shot.

Yup robbers always ring the doorbell and stand by the doorway.

Did we get an exact time this happened? Not that it really changes the intent here. But it does make a difference. I interpret "evening" as being 5-7pm or so. Definitely not prime time burgle hour. If it was 2am I'd allow a slight bit of leeway of taking a gun to a door. But normal human hours...noooooooooope.

 

[hal2kilo]

The tv account I watched said the shooter is 85 years old. He opened the door, told the boy to go away or he'd shoot him, and then he shot him and after he fell down, he shot again. A site I read said the man shot before saying anything and then, after he fell, said “Don’t come around here.”

They said they didn't go for a hate crime charge because the penalty would be less than what they did charge which was assault in the first degree and armed criminal action - not familiar with that one..

Dunno how accurate that all is.

Good news is that the boy has been released from the hospital. Thank goodness the man was a bad shot.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article274419430.html

He's got Ron Reagan genes or he dyes his hair.

 

[eelw]

Did we get an exact time this happened? Not that it really changes the intent here. But it does make a difference. I interpret "evening" as being 5-7pm or so. Definitely not prime time burgle hour. If it was 2am I'd allow a slight bit of leeway of taking a gun to a door. But normal human hours...noooooooooope.

10PM

 

[HomerJS]

Good Samaritan who helped save Ralph Yarl. Apparently the story of the person who finally helped Ralph made him lie face down with hands behinds his back was wrong. Major thanks to James Lynch for his actions

'He didn't deserve to get shot': Good Samaritan who helped Ralph Yarl found him bloody and motionless

James Lynch said his Eagle Scout training kicked in and he checked the teen's pulse and tried to stanch the blood in a neighbor's driveway before paramedics arrived.

www.nbcnews.com