Bicyclists have started doing a new thing that makes me furious

[foghorn67]

Actually I didn't deny anything. I just dismissed a troll. Maybe you should read my post again and figure what I was talking about. But now that we're on that topic, cyclists do not run run lights to the frequency being described here, but yes, it certainly occurs. Just like cars speed their asses off and execute illegal passes far more than cyclists do.

But again, no one is defending either one. What the fuck is with the straw man obsession around here?

Straw man? I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. You're the straw man.
Drivers want cyclists to pay attention to shit and obey the law. Stay the fuck off lanes and stop blowing lights and stop signs. It's pretty much in line with the OP.
FFS.

 

[BikeJunkie]

You have defended every stupid, dangerous, selfish action a ciclist does as automatically ok simply because it's not illegal... Yet.

Quote me or STFU

In other words:

- Quote me where I defend running a red light
- Quote me where I defend rolling through a stop sign
- Quote me where I defend holding a lane when not allowed by law

YOU CAN'T.

On the other hand, I have quoted you as flat-out saying you don't care what the law states.

Jesus christ you're a fucking moron.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Name ONE, you stupid jackass. Meanwhile, how about you stroll back to that horseshit where you were too stupid to recognize that you were advocating breaking the law while passing? Even after a several pages, you STILL keep dodging that.

Keep digging that hole, moron.

I have advocated no such thing. I very clearly said only pass when there are dashed passing lines, and be sure to honk to the selfish idiots so they don't swerve into the car.

 

[Ns1]

Drivers want cyclists to pay attention to shit and obey the law.

Cyclists want drivers to do the same thing. I'm glad we can all finally be in agreement.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Drivers want cyclists to pay attention to shit and obey the law.

And there's your straw man. By all means, quote me where I've argued to the contrary.

 

[BikeJunkie]

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Since you're ignoring it:

Name ONE, you stupid jackass.

- Quote me where I defend running a red light
- Quote me where I defend rolling through a stop sign
- Quote me where I defend holding a lane when not allowed by law

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Quote me or STFU

In other words:

- Quote me where I defend running a red light
- Quote me where I defend rolling through a stop sign
- Quote me where I defend holding a lane when not allowed by law

YOU CAN'T.

On the other hand, I have quoted you as flat-out saying you don't care what the law states.

Jesus christ you're a fucking moron.

And to address your second (and now third....) quote;

Your entire stance revolves around "everyone is a meanie head and yes illegal stuff happens but hardly never ever"


So I'm not going to go through quoting your halfass attempts at taking a stand, when it's right here for everyone to read.

And I do care what the law states, but not being a rude, selfish, inconsiderate asshole is what we're trying to politely debate here.

The "law" is not under any question.

And...... Like I said earlier in the thread:

"There are plenty of legal things which are frustrating to society. Babies screaming in a nice restaurant while parents ignore them...
People standing at the front of fast food lines for 5 minutes hemming and hawing.
Going through a 10 items or less checkout lane with 30 things.
Parking sideways across 3 lanes in a parking lot. Cutting to the front of the line.

...And a ciclist holding the lane on a 2-lane road when there's plenty of room or even a bicycle lane on the side, with a line of 20 cars all trying to get to work to pay for the road they're riding on."



Just because something is not illegal, does not make it a socially acceptable thing to do.

Basically, you're treated the way you are by motorists because you're an asshole. Plain and simple.

You can stick your fingers in your ears and shriek about how what you do is legal all you want - you're still an asshole, that's why people hate you, that's why when a bicyclists is run over no one is surprised, and most importantly... That's why the latest bicycle laws cater around keeping you assholes on the side of the road where you belong.

 

[BikeJunkie]

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If you're going to allege I said something,

Quote me or STFU

- Quote me where I defend running a red light
- Quote me where I defend rolling through a stop sign
- Quote me where I defend holding a lane when not allowed by law

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Stop arguing with SpatiallyAware. Everyone already knows he's an idiot. He's just making you angry and you're going to start making him look like the reasonable party even though he's spouting nonsense.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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But now that we're on that topic, cyclists do not run run lights to the frequency being described here, but yes, it certainly occurs.

<snip>

Here's one instance of many where you in some way attempt to justify the reckless way you ciclist behave on the roads.

 

[Ns1]

Bike junkie you're totally getting trolled right now

 

[BikeJunkie]

Stop arguing with SpatiallyAware. Everyone already knows he's an idiot. He's just making you angry and you're going to start making him look like the reasonable party even though he's spouting nonsense.

Bike junkie you're totally getting trolled right now

Fair enough :thumbsup:

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Stop arguing with SpatiallyAware. Everyone already knows he's an idiot. He's just making you angry and you're going to start making him look like the reasonable party even though he's spouting nonsense.

He's just acting like the typical elitist, selfish, nearly unhinged ciclist that holds us up every day. They cost us time, money, add to the pollution from forcing a line of traffic to wait as they wobble up the hill shifting gears refusing to pull over so he can keep his heartrate up.

He's the perfect embodiment of these assholes and the way their mind justifies the way they behave on the rude.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Here's one instance of many where you in some way attempt to justify the reckless way you ciclist behave on the roads.

And what justification did I use? All that is is an acknowledgement that it happens. Maybe you didn't recognize it, but that's called being reasonable and truthful. You should try it on some time.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Fair enough :thumbsup:

Seriously, it's easier to just put me on ignore, and refuse to see myself and others in the thread expressing our frustration at the way your group behaves on the road. Just put us all on ignore (IE fingers in ears) and keep on about your business.

It really doesn't affect me meeting with our state reps to discuss reasons why they need to start paying attention to bills which force bicyclists to the edges of lanes.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And what justification did I use? All that is is an acknowledgement that it happens. Maybe you didn't recognize it, but that's called being reasonable and truthful. You should try it on some time.

Honestly I'm primarily just trying to calm you down before you have a heart attack in front of the keyboard and are unable to add to the discussion. I would prefer to move on to another topic other than "it's not illegal so it's ok!" rather than spend time trying to placate your craziness.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Seriously, it's easier to just put me on ignore, and refuse to see myself and others in the thread expressing our frustration at the way your group behaves on the road. Just put us all on ignore (IE fingers in ears) and keep on about your business.

I'm sure you'd prefer to not have to deal with logic and the law; after all, you've already explicitly expressed your distaste for both

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm sure you'd prefer to not have to deal with logic and the law; after all, you've already explicitly expressed your distaste for both

For the umpteenth time... No one in here is arguing the law, I'm well aware of what they are and how to follow them.

The issue revolves around what is socially acceptable, and what you need to do to help change motorists opinions towards ciclists.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Honestly I'm primarily just trying to calm you down before you have a heart attack in front of the keyboard and are unable to add to the discussion. I would prefer to move on to another topic other than "it's not illegal so it's ok!" rather than spend time trying to placate your craziness.

Classic sidestep. Let me help you get back on point:

And what justification did I use?

I'm also looking forward to those quotes you owe me

 

[Venix]

There are many more bills keeping bicyclists in check, requiring them to pull over and let traffic pass, keeping them out of the road, forcing them on bike paths, etc etc etc

I don't believe it. If any of these bills really existed and had a chance of passing, cyclists would be loudly protesting them. Please provide links to these many bills.

On the other hand, laws that require cyclists to ride no more than two abreast (or single file), to stay to as far right as practicable, or to use dedicated cycling facilities when they exist are widely supported by competent cyclists and cycling advocacy groups.

 

[RampantAndroid]

And who's defending them

I often see cars speeding, rolling through stop signs, and making illegal passes. Their actions aren't being used to erroneously generalize anyone who drives a car.

There are lawbreakers in both groups who jeopardize themselves and everyone around them - no one is defending such a person other than SpeciallyAware.

You are, really. You're trying to play the "everyone is evil, can't paint everyone with the same brush" card. I see a car run a red once in a blue moon. Last time was a couple weeks ago in capitol hill (part of Seattle.) I laid on the horn and they got the idea after that. I see cyclists who can't decide if they're a car, ped or a moo cow on a weekly basis.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And cue the 'buh buh buh but we only do it because it's safer'

 

[Schfifty Five]

SA, who's worse, the cyclists or lien?

 

[BikeJunkie]

You are, really.

No, I'm not. Really. Again, I would love a quote. Why is that such a lofty request? If I've defended cyclists breaking the law, by all means, show it to me. I'd love to see it.

You're trying to play the "everyone is evil, can't paint everyone with the same brush" card.

Close. I'm playing the "there are villains on both sides, can't paint everyone with the same brush" card. And it's a valid card.

I see a car run a red once in a blue moon.

And you are cherry picking your traffic violations. How about speeding? Rolling stops? Illegal turns? You see cars do these things all the time, but no, you'd like to talk about red lights. Cars speed more than cyclists for the same reasons cyclists run red lights more than cars: opportunity. And for the intellectually impaired among us, this is a justification for neither

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Ciclists, by far. I'm fairly confident that lien knows he screwed up.