Bicyclists have started doing a new thing that makes me furious

[Oyeve]

Which is no problem. If that's the law in your area, then that's the law. Of course it's worth noting that WA and OR are both very well known for their cycling infrastructure.

Isnt that where they base that show that spoofs you hipster douchbag types, Portlandia? I see now...... :hmm:

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Me either. Where else can one say "this is the law; these are the facts" and then have to defend their position because the other party literally says "I don't care about the law and don't want to be bothered with the facts."

Bizarre

Even following every law, accidents still happen.

Being that you're on a vehicle that weighs 20lbs, it would be smart to mitigate your risk and respect your situation on the road.

Part of that is working with motorists to fit in with how the road works.... IE move over if a faster vehicle is behind you, and pull over to allow traffic to pass if you're holding everyone up.


In many states, that is the law... For everyone's safety, not just your own.


But of course, continue on like a child, with you and your child friends all upset over how life is not fair and nobody cares about you... fingers in ears and all.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Which is no problem. If that's the law in your area, then that's the law. Of course it's worth noting that WA and OR are both very well known for their cycling infrastructure.

And despite that, I often see cyclists in the road. To be fair, it's often not the spandex people on the road, it's people who are probably here on an H1B, but they're clogging the road nonetheless. And Redmond/Bellevue/Seattle PD care more about writing tickets for jaywalking (and maybe beating people for jaywalking in Seattle...) and speeding tickets than they do doing things that will reduce congestion such as nailing cyclists and cars that don't use turn signals and do under the limit.

The worst I see though are cyclists who switch between "I'm a car" and "I'm a pedestrian" all the time. "Red light with a walk sign? Oh, I'm no longer a car, I'm a ped now" and then they complain about a right hook. Cyclist going down a sidewalk at 20 mph into a walk sign is just as bad. You can't really see them coming, go to turn right and suddenly there's a cyclist. You're a pedestrian, you don't do 20 on a sidewalk.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Being that you're on a vehicle that weighs 20lbs, it would be smart to mitigate your risk and respect your situation on the road.

Arguing the position of power, once again, does nothing to mask your penchant for being ignorant of the law and breaking it. Sorry, try again.

Part of that is working with motorists to fit in with how the road works.... IE move over if a faster vehicle is behind you, and pull over to allow traffic to pass if you're holding everyone up. In many states, that is the law... For everyone's safety, not just your own.

Straw man. Link to where I said a cyclist should illegally claim his lane. I've done nothing but advocate following the laws applicable to the given area.

You on the other hand:

Law or not

Sorry, try yet again.

But of course, continue on like a child, with you and your child friends all upset over how life is not fair and nobody cares about you... fingers in ears and all.

Your MO here so far has been to make a bunch of shit up - laws, statistics, you name it - in hopes that something will stick and and fly by unopposed. When it fails, you make appeals to popularity (precarious ones at that): "everyone hates cyclists!" When that fails, you make appeals to emotion: "you're all children!", as you just did above. When that fails, you try to wipe the slate clean and start over by copying/pasting one of your earlier rants.

You've repeated this cycle quite a few times now. As delightful as it is to witness (mostly because of what it implies), no matter how many times you bang your head against he wall, the law will be the law, and you will still be grossly in the wrong.

 

[Ns1]

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There is only 1 proper way to respond to SA:

SpatiallyAware This user is on your Ignore List.

 

[BikeJunkie]

And despite that, I often see cyclists in the road.

And who's defending them

I often see cars speeding, rolling through stop signs, and making illegal passes. Their actions aren't being used to erroneously generalize anyone who drives a car.

There are lawbreakers in both groups who jeopardize themselves and everyone around them - no one is defending such a person other than SpeciallyAware.

 

[BikeJunkie]

There is only 1 proper way to respond to SA:

SpatiallyAware This user is on your Ignore List.

I know, I know... I had him there and then I got bored this morning

I'll put him back...

 

[Ns1]

And who's defending them

I often see cars speeding, rolling through stop signs, and making illegal passes. Their actions aren't being used to erroneously generalize anyone who drives a car.

such is the double standard cyclists have to live by.

 

[BikeJunkie]

such is the double standard cyclists have to live by.

If Europe or the explosion of cycling in urban areas across the US are any indication of what's to come, not for long

 

[Oyeve]

There are lawbreakers in both groups who jeopardize themselves and everyone around them - no one is defending such a person other than SpeciallyAware.

Oh , come on. we know there are a million more bikers flying through red lights than cars. You cant even compare this shit. I see 100000 more bikers blowing lights than i see a car doing the same. Also, I see adults flying their bikes on the sidewalk all the time. And i dont mean ones riding to their front door.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Oh , come on. we know there are a million more bikers flying through red lights than cars.

Yes, let me take seriously the guy who cheers dead cyclists. I'm sure you're quite the reliable source of anecdotal bullshit Unfortunately, you missed the point anyway, which is that no one is defending law breakers here except SpatiallyAware (and perhaps you... I don't know... I've largely ignored your trolling).

 

[Ns1]

Oh , come on. we know there are a million more bikers flying through red lights than cars. You cant even compare this shit. I see 100000 more bikers blowing lights than i see a car doing the same. Also, I see adults flying their bikes on the sidewalk all the time. And i dont mean ones riding to their front door.

I see cars breaking the law everyday (speeding, stop sign rolls, etc). You're right, there is no comparison - drivers break traffic laws far more frequently.

 

[hanoverphist]

I see cars breaking the law everyday (speeding, stop sign rolls, etc). You're right, there is no comparison - drivers break traffic laws far more frequently.

i bet statistically youd be wrong. theres probably far more cars on the road than people running lights and not using turn signals, making their ratio much lower than the rampant cyclists doing similar law breaking.

just sayin...

 

[Ns1]

i bet statistically youd be wrong. theres probably far more cars on the road than people running lights and not using turn signals, making their ratio much lower than the rampant cyclists doing similar law breaking.

just sayin...

I've never met a driver who didn't break at least 1 law every time they drove - that law is usually speeding.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

If Europe or the explosion of cycling in urban areas across the US are any indication of what's to come, not for long

Bahaha... Yeah right. The only law I'm aware of in the last 5 years had been the 3ft law.

There are many more bills keeping bicyclists in check, requiring them to pull over and let traffic pass, keeping them out of the road, forcing them on bike paths, etc etc etc



Unfortunately the selfish, rude bicyclists have ruined it. I remember when state reps were all for pushing through pro bicyclist bills..... Not any more, not by a long shot.

 

[Oyeve]

I see cars breaking the law everyday (speeding, stop sign rolls, etc). You're right, there is no comparison - drivers break traffic laws far more frequently.

If you comprehended my post you would see it strictly states red lights. For every one car that blows through a red I bet at least 100+ more bikes do it. In fact, I bet MOST bikers do that.

 

[Oyeve]

http://bicyclesafe.com/

 

[Ns1]

If you comprehended my post you would see it strictly states red lights. For every one car that blows through a red I bet at least 100+ more bikes do it. In fact, I bet MOST bikers do that.

I won't argue with that. But now you're cherry picking traffic violations to prove your point.

Cyclists blowing red lights are almost as bad as drivers clipping cyclists and then driving off. Almost.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I won't argue with that. But now you're cherry picking traffic violations to prove your point.

Cyclists blowing red lights are almost as bad as drivers clipping cyclists and then driving off. Almost.

What's the point here? Since motorists occasionaly bump cyclists (newsflash, they also bump pedestrians and other cars from time to time) it's all of the sudden ok for bicyclists to constantly blow red lights, endangering everyone on the road?

 

[foghorn67]

Yes, let me take seriously the guy who cheers dead cyclists. I'm sure you're quite the reliable source of anecdotal bullshit Unfortunately, you missed the point anyway, which is that no one is defending law breakers here except SpatiallyAware (and perhaps you... I don't know... I've largely ignored your trolling).

How in the fuck do you deny the frequency of cyclists running lights and stop signs. I rarely see them stop. They'll blow by it if there are no cars to intercept them

 

[Ns1]

How in the fuck do you deny the frequency of cyclists running lights and stop signs. I rarely see them stop. They'll blow by it if there are no cars to intercept them

Because it's no goddamn different than drivers violating traffic laws. I don't see drivers calling for death to other drivers.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

How in the fuck do you deny the frequency of cyclists running lights and stop signs. I rarely see them stop. They'll blow by it if there are no cars to intercept them

Look at how he acts in this thread...

Every dangerous, illegal action by a ciclist is justified for safety reasons.

Yet every selfish, dangerous action by a ciclist is justified for legal reasons.


It's the SOS these rude ciclists have been preaching for years.... Thank goodness mainstream society has caught on realized we need to make these selfish, dangerous actions illegal.

We've all seen these idiots... Hold up traffic to where everyone has to pass them.. Every time they throw up their hands like the motorist is doing something wrong.... Then they finally get their way to a red light, just to filter to the front, and usually run the red light.

Light turns green... Same thing all over again, have to pass them, idiot throws his hands up.

How do you even have a logical debate with people who act like this?

 

[BikeJunkie]

How in the fuck do you deny the frequency of cyclists running lights and stop signs. I rarely see them stop. They'll blow by it if there are no cars to intercept them

Actually I didn't deny anything. I just dismissed a troll. Maybe you should read my post again and figure what I was talking about. But now that we're on that topic, cyclists do not run run lights to the frequency being described here, but yes, it certainly occurs. Just like cars speed their asses off and execute illegal passes far more than cyclists do.

But again, no one is defending either one. What the fuck is with the straw man obsession around here?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You have defended every stupid, dangerous, selfish action a ciclist does as automatically ok simply because it's not illegal... Yet.

 

[BikeJunkie]

Every dangerous, illegal action by a ciclist is justified for safety reasons.

Name ONE, you stupid jackass. Meanwhile, how about you stroll back to that horseshit where you were too stupid to recognize that you were advocating breaking the law while passing? Even after a several pages, you STILL keep dodging that.

Keep digging that hole, moron.