Bicyclists have started doing a new thing that makes me furious

[SlushySolid]

These last 20 or so posts are a perfect example of why we need specific licensing along with tests to ride bicycles on the road.

If bicyclists want equal treatment then they need to be treated like motorcyclists.. Complete with a special class requirement added to your driver's license.

Every road going bicycle needs a license plate. Both for taxes and enforcement so that if they choose to go around breaking every law they happen to disagree with it can be appropriately dealt with.

I would be ok with having one bike plate that can be transferred to different bikes, but any bike on a road divided by double yellow needs to have a plate which is tied to the licensed rider. This allows kids to ride in neighborhoods and other low density streets, and keeps any unlicensed bike off the high traffic road unless they have a license and plate, and pay their due taxes.

And we've come full circle.

 

[BikeJunkie]

And we've come full circle.

Called it :biggrin:

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I know SA will love this but in my city, one of the busier roads in the city is being redone. three lanes to two lanes, widened sidewalks and a raised bike lane. Makes the city more walkable and biker friendly.

Read the thread. Many of these road-going ciclists refuse to use bike lanes because of pebbles and slower, "lesser" ciclists who aren't training for the olympics.

It's part of how I'm arguing against bike lanes in my district. There's no point, these idiots don't use them anyway.

The only way to make the roads safe for both ciclists and motorists is via licensing, tags, and taxation.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And we've come full circle.

??

This is what I've said from the get go, yet most of these ciclists insist that since they have a vehicle they "pay enough taxes already".

I'm going to try that excuse when I file income taxes this year...

 

[SlushySolid]

??

This is what I've said from the get go, yet most of these ciclists insist that since they have a vehicle they "pay enough taxes already".

I'm going to try that excuse when I file income taxes this year...

Maybe "Fool Circle" would have been better.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Read the thread. Many of these road-going ciclists refuse to use bike lanes because of pebbles and slower, "lesser" ciclists who aren't training for the olympics.

It's part of how I'm arguing against bike lanes in my district. There's no point, these idiots don't use them anyway.

The only way to make the roads safe for both ciclists and motorists is via licensing, tags, and taxation.[/QUOTE]

Nope. How many people are killed/injured in cycling accidents in your city compared to vehicles and pedestrians? What % of bikers don't use bike lanes and are they even required to? But keep talking like a moron.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Nope. How many people are killed/injured in cycling accidents in your city compared to vehicles and pedestrians? What % of bikers don't use bike lanes and are they even required to? But keep talking like a moron.

I'd love for there to be actual studies on this, but right now all we have is first hand experience from motorists.

And based on this thread, I'd say it's a major issue. Certainly motorists are fed up, frustrated at being constantly held up and endangered by these ciclists impeding traffic.

And all ciclists cry about is safety safety safety and how they want swept, clean, bike lanes divided by poured concrete.

Tax/tag/licensing would help both issues.

 

[_Rick_]

What about vehicular traffic impeding you? During normal driving, I encounter this much more frequently than bicycles. And anyone of those in a car that would take a bike instead, would ease traffic for everyone else. But here you complain about cyclist traffic, like it's the end of the world.

Frankly, I'm both riding on a bicycle, and driving in my car, and I've never encountered a situation were I felt like a bike was impeding me. Still stood in plenty rush hour stop and go situations were cars were impeding me. Even when on the bike, cars were impeding me from time to time. So your argument is somewhat backwards from my perspective. Get the real traffic blockers off the roads, and leave cyclists alone.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'd love for there to be actual studies on this, but right now all we have is first hand experience from motorists.

And based on this thread, I'd say it's a major issue. Certainly motorists are fed up, frustrated at being constantly held up and endangered by these ciclists impeding traffic.

And all ciclists cry about is safety safety safety and how they want swept, clean, bike lanes divided by poured concrete.

Tax/tag/licensing would help both issues.

:biggrin:

Like usual, you have no proof. You should put them in your signature to save the time of people asking.

And based on this thread, you have a half-dozen people crying about cyclist. That's a majority alright.

And yes, we need a new government agency to regulate the taxation/registration/licensing of bikes. :biggrin:

Yes, we need more cars on the roads b/c they'll cause less of an impedance on traffic than cyclists!

 

[Schfifty Five]

SA, why do you write ciclists and not cyclists?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Negative ghost rider. That is not smart.

Why is safely crossing the road on foot as a pedestrian is a bad idea?

No, it's not the "smart move." Terrible advice.

Same as above. I'd prefer to be as safe as I can on a bike and crossing intersections using cross-walks makes total sense to me.

 

[Ns1]

Why is safely crossing the road on foot as a pedestrian is a bad idea?

cuz you are not predictable when you re-enter the street/bike lane and put yourself in a vulnerable position to be right hooked.

'sides, don't want to switch between being a bike and a pedestrian lest we piss off the AT greats in this thread.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Jesus Hume Christ... is this thread still going?

 

[Schfifty Five]

Jesus Hume Christ... is this thread still going?

You surprised or something? Any thread about bikes vs cars will get 500+ posts lasting a few weeks.

 

[7window]

common sense for both side will make this right not more laws.

 

[Ns1]

You surprised or something? Any thread about bikes vs cars will get 500+ posts lasting a few weeks.

This has been a surprisingly heavy hitter thread...mostly because SA got bored of trolling the other threads.

 

[NIGELG]

Maybe a cyclist banged somebody's wife or girlfriend hence the angst against cyclists....

 

[BikeJunkie]

For all the anti-lycra hate, I've had nothing but positive reviews by the ladies And the chicks I get to see in their cycling gear? Holy moly...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I think certain areas tend to have better behaved ciclists.

It most likely has to do with how police handle it.

Up until recently, the police in my city have had a really difficult time with getting tickets to stick on ciclists, so they felt like they had free roam of the road.

Because of that, in my area, motorists have essentially started 'fighting back'. One of the ways that I've noticed, is that once a car passes a rude lane-taking ciclist the cars will hug the white line... IE prevent them from running to the front and starting the entire dangerous "pass the 15mph ciclist" process over again.

 

[foghorn67]

I think certain areas tend to have better behaved ciclists.

It most likely has to do with how police handle it.

Up until recently, the police in my city have had a really difficult time with getting tickets to stick on ciclists, so they felt like they had free roam of the road.

Because of that, in my area, motorists have essentially started 'fighting back'. One of the ways that I've noticed, is that once a car passes a rude lane-taking ciclist the cars will hug the white line... IE prevent them from running to the front and starting the entire dangerous "pass the 15mph ciclist" process over again.

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[_Rick_]

Because of that, in my area, motorists have essentially started 'fighting back'. One of the ways that I've noticed, is that once a car passes a rude lane-taking ciclist the cars will hug the white line... IE prevent them from running to the front and starting the entire dangerous "pass the 15mph ciclist" process over again.

Then the cyclist should weave about, so that the cars don't block him from reaching the red light in the right order. After all, they're clearly going too fast anyway, if they end up stopped at a red light.

 

[surfsatwerk]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/o...tml?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB&_r=0

 

[Ns1]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/o...tml?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB&_r=0

Still, Russ insisted I could avoid harm by assuming that every driver was “a mouth-breathing drug addict with a murderous hatred for cyclists.”

yeah that's pretty much how I ride. Aggressively, legally, and with a whole lot of medical/life insurance.

Take Sgt. Richard Ernst of the San Francisco Police Department, who confronted people holding a memorial at the scene of Ms. Le Moullac’s death. Parking his squad car in the bike lane, forcing other cyclists into the very traffic that killed Ms. Le Moullac, Sergeant Ernst berated those gathered, according to witnesses, and insisted that Ms. Le Moullac had been at fault. Days earlier, the department had told cycling activists that it had been unable to find surveillance footage of the crash.

Provoked by Sergeant Ernst, people at the memorial decided to look for themselves. It took them all of 10 minutes to find an auto shop nearby with a camera that had footage of the incident. The police eventually admitted that the truck driver was at fault, but they still have not pressed charges.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

yeah that's pretty much how I ride. Aggressively, legally, and with a whole lot of medical/life insurance.

This mentality is because people are fed up with rude, asshole ciclists.

It doesn't make it right, I feel as though anyone who killed a ciclist should be justly prosecuted... But the fact is, society is fed up with the BS way many of you ride.

And this thread reinforces it.. Not one of you can be bothered to listen to anything any of us is saying. Instead you continually crow about how it's legal to ride the way you do so it's automatically justified.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Where do you see bicycles causing backups in the area? I've seen guys riding on fast, high traffic roads with tiny shoulders like 202 and 203, but I've never seen them cause any measurable impact to traffic. I just drive around them and wonder why they chose such a dangerous route.

The only traffic problems I've encountered in and around Seattle are due to motor vehicles. And that's been the case everywhere I've lived (Northeast, South, and Northwest) and driven.

East Lake Samm comes to mind (which is stupid since they have the trail there), some places in Seattle I've seen it, but I don't drive in Seattle too often. 85th between Kirkland and Redmond, 148th NE, 156th NE, NE 40th...any number of places. It's around NE 40th that I've seen the worst and most commonly see bicycles swapping between being on the road and sidewalk.

Then the cyclist should weave about, so that the cars don't block him from reaching the red light in the right order. After all, they're clearly going too fast anyway, if they end up stopped at a red light.

Uh, what? A lot of lights aren't timed at all. In my area a lot of lights are on demand. Almost every time I drive in a straight line through Redmond I hit every red (or close to it.)