Auburn, Oklahoma, USC and the BCS

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
everybody said michigan would run over USC last year too and look at what happened

michigan doesn't play well in california.....let see USC play michigan in michigan

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
everybody said michigan would run over USC last year too and look at what happened

michigan doesn't play well in california.....let see USC play michigan in michigan

I would love to see some of those fast gunning teams play a couple bowls up north. There's a reason Spurrier said if he comes back to college coaching, he wants to stay in the south. His offense would work up there in November & December.

But face-it. USC handed UM it's ass last year. Any day that UM loses is a good one IMO.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Here, you should have a field day rewording this stuff in favor of USC then.

* Auburn enters the Alabama game on an 12-game winning streak (dating back to the 2003 season). It's the longest winning streak for the Tigers under Tommy Tuberville and the longest winning streak since reeling off 20 consecutive between 1993-94.

USC's winning streak is 19, and 30 of the last 31.

* The 12-game winning streak is currently the fourth longest among Division I-A teams. Boise State has the nation's longest streak with 20 consecutive wins.

USC's is the second longest.

* The 12-game winning streak is also the fourth longest in school history and the longest in the SEC since Tennessee won 14 straight in 1998-99.

I'm not sure where this stands in school history. It's also the longest in the Pac-10 since a lot longer then '98. School history doesn't really matter to this year, although conference history might

* The 10-0 start marks just the third time in school history that Auburn has began a season 10-0, joining the 1993 and 1957 teams.

USC's been undefeated many more times then Auburn has started a season undefeated, but that doesn't matter this year either.

* Auburn is a win shy of becoming the sixth SEC team to go 8-0 in league play since the conference began divisional play in 1992. The last was Tennessee in 1998 and Florida in 1996. Both won national titles.

I'll get back to you on this one, because I'm not sure, but I bet the SEC has an edge here.

* Auburn's margin of victory in SEC games is an impressive 20.4 points per game. In all games, the Tigers are third nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0) followed by Southern California (25.5).

Already addressed this one

* Auburn owns a eight-game SEC winning streak, its longest since 1993-94 (14).

Team history doesn't matter, but USC's is better

* With 48 wins at Auburn, Tommy Tuberville is tied with Jack Meagher (1934-42) for fourth on the school's all-time coaching victories list.

Pete Carroll has had one of the best starts ever for a USC coach, but isn't that high on the alltime list.

* Auburn is first nationally in scoring defense, holding opponents to 9.3 points per game. A total of 67 of the 93 points (72 percent) that the Tigers have allowed have come with Auburn leading by 20 or more points.

I'm not sure what USC's garbage time statistics are, but they probably aren't as good. Overall defense is not too far behind.

* Senior quarterback Jason Campbell is 28-9 (.757) in 37 career starts at Auburn. Campbell has started 28 consecutive games for Auburn, directing the Tigers to a 22-6 record, including a 8-4 mark against Top 10 teams.

Leinhart has a total of 1 loss and a co-national championship. He's never lost to a top 10 team. Since people don't like my ranking systems, I won't figure out how many top 10 teams he's beaten.

* Under Tommy Tuberville, Auburn is 29-0 when scoring 30 or more points in a game. Auburn has won 42 consecutive games when scoring at least 30 points in a game.

I bet most good teams have won a bunch in a row when scoring more then 30. This one isn't worth my time to research for USC.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

I saw them play in the Fog Bowl recently and against Va Tech early in the year. I was not impressed in the least...just for comparison
Auburn vs USC
Ga vs Cal
Tennessee vs ASU
LSU vs UCLA
Florida vs Oregon State
South Carolina vs Oregon
Alabama vs Stanford
Arkansas vs Washington State
Miss vs Arizona
Miss St vs Washington

Who do you think would win these games on a neutral field?

USC. Cal. Tennessee with their #1 quarterback, ASU otherwise. LSU. Oregon State. tossup both have had good games and horrible games. Alabama. Arkansas. Tossup and Tossup.

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: shinerburke
From this morning's Dallas Morning News...I happen to think the guy is right...

USC? Enough already!
Talk of top-ranked Trojans takes attention away from OU, Auburn
09:26 PM CST on Sunday, November 14, 2004

ESPN?s cast of characters spent most of Saturday night bickering over whether Auburn should leapfrog Oklahoma in the media and coaches? polls.

They missed another issue.

Should Oklahoma and Auburn leap over Southern California?

USC has been ranked No. 1 all season. The Trojans were installed as the preseason No. 1 team, and they?ve won 10 out of 10 games.

Yet nobody talks about how California almost came away victorious or how Oregon State gave USC a good scare in the foggy Pacific Northwest.

?Voters have been putting USC at No. 1 for so long, they?ve forgotten to look at them,? said Jerry Palm, who runs CollegeBCS.com.

If television commentators can sway public opinion so easily, then they need to come clean with all the facts. At a minimum, they should stop giving the Men of Troy a free pass just because they are ranked No. 1.

USC has struggled at times, as have Oklahoma and Auburn. OU has better offensive numbers than USC, and the Tigers play better defense than the other two. And to top it off, both OU and Auburn play tougher competition in their respective leagues and they must win a conference championship game to boot.

Add it all up, and maybe Oklahoma and Auburn both deserve to be in the Fed Ex Orange Bowl.

All the statistical information can be found on the NCAA?s Web site, assuming TV producers know how to check.

The NCAA compiles the win-loss records of each team?s opponents. Any victory or loss against a Division I-AA team is thrown out. Going into this week?s regular-season finale at Baylor, OU?s previous 10 opponents have a combined record of 54-33. It?s the 14th-toughest schedule. The BCS computers certainly it. The Sooners were first in four of the six computer rankings last week and second in the other two.
Texas A&M has the toughest schedule, which should make Aggies fans puff out their chests. A&M?s opponents are 55-30.
USC?s previous opponents are 45-40 and Auburn?s are 41-32.

Now, the Trojans will see that number go up after the final two games. Notre Dame and UCLA are 12-8 combined. So USC doesn?t exactly have an easy road to the finish line.

But let?s look at the path USC has traveled. As of today, the Pac-10 has just four teams that are bowl eligible. To become bowl eligible, a team must post a winning record during the regular season?that means 6-5. USC, California, Arizona State and UCLA are the only ones who have at least six victories.

Over in the Big 12, six teams are bowl eligible. Seven teams are eligible in the SEC.

It?s no wonder why USC has won six games by 30 points or more. The league isn?t that good.

The Big 12 North isn?t that hot, either. But Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 South. That division may fill every top-level bowl game the league is affiliated with.

OU coach Bob Stoops seemed resigned to the fact that Auburn is the flavor of the month.
?All you can do is do your best to win and so ... you know, what are you gonna do?? Stoops said Sunday after The Associated Press Top 25 was released. OU and Auburn are tied for second.

Palm projects OU to remain second and Auburn will be third in this week?s BCS standings, which will be released at 11 a.m. today. But USC will still be No. 1.
Do the Trojans deserve to be there? It?s unknown.

Just don?t expect the ?talking heads,? as Stoops calls them, to tell fans any different.

Obviously you've never seen USC play or either your the guy who always "goes for the underdog". USC has been "easy" on teams this year and that's Coach Carrol's mistake. Coach Carrol is an excellent coach that DOES NOT LIKE TO EMBARRASS OTHER COACHES BY BEATING THE $H)T OUT OF THEM. Realistically, a lot of these "close games" that USC has been having is from Coach Carrol and Norm Chow playing TOO CONSERVATIVELY. That's why at half time you consistently see USC coming out and really laying it on the opposing team...this is becaue Carrol and Chow sit down, rethink their coaching strategies and come out with a "more aggressive" offensive and defensive plan for the 2nd half.

Now, I can understand why coach Carrol and Chow do this; they have a "young team" and usually when you have a young team you want to "play cautious" because young players make mistakes. But the only problem with this is that the young players are coming out and really stepping up their games and playing like exprienced players.

USC deserves to be #1. According to your article people are just "paying attention" to USC and not watching their games and are getting use to voting for them to be #1 The only problem for you is "paying attention" to USC being #1 instead of watching their games is good for you and others, YOU DO NOT GET TO SEE USC GO EASY ON TEAMS AND SEE THEM DOMINATE TEAMS EVERY TIME THEY PLAY. I want people to be able to watch USC games and see how explosive and exciting they are and how they ALWAYS dominate their games and have their opponents "under control" no matter how close the score says.

Next year we only mature and get better, so you better get use to USC being #1 for awhile buddy. You guys are just lucky we didn't return Mike Williams and Whitney Lewis this year.

I saw them play in the Fog Bowl recently and against Va Tech early in the year. I was not impressed in the least...just for comparison
Auburn vs USC
Ga vs Cal
Tennessee vs ASU
LSU vs UCLA
Florida vs Oregon State
South Carolina vs Oregon
Alabama vs Stanford
Arkansas vs Washington State
Miss vs Arizona
Miss St vs Washington

Who do you think would win these games on a neutral field?

Out of the games listed above, these teams would win:

1. USC
2. Cal, this would be a very close game but I just see Cal passing all over GA and also stop GA's running attack
3. Tennessee...my friend plays corner for ASU and I know what the teams like...Tenn would win
4. LSU, without a doubt...the only thing UCLA has going for them is Maurice Drew...if LSU stops him it's game over, I know 3 or 4 UCLA players personally also and the team is just poorly coached.
5. Oregon State, they're too much of a hard nosed football team for Florida
6. Oregon, just because they're a PAC-10 school...hehe
7. Alabama
8. Arkansas
9. Miss
10. Miss St., Washington's team is waaaayyyyy too young to match up with anyone right now

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

2 rules: if you're in the top 4, a bcs conf team, and not a conf champ, you go automatically. if you're in the top 6 from a non bcs conf you go automatically.

Not true. If the #3 and #4 teams are bcs conf. teams and not a conf. champ, and the #5 and #6 teams are non-bcs conf. teams, then the #5 qnd #6 teams go to the BCS bowls as at large berths.

 

[TheCrimsonCrusader]

Like Louisiana State, Oklahoma played eight teams with winning records in the regular season last year. Compare that to five teams with winning records that Southern California played. On top of that, six of those eight teams suffered their worst loss of the season and it wasn't by running up the score, those games were over at halftime. Also, the other two teams with winning records suffered their 2nd worst loss of the season. So, you are incorrect, Oklahoma did deserve to play in the BCS Title Game last year not only based on how the BCS system works, but on the merits of earning it.

 

[ElFenix]

holy cow nitemare is choking on SEC cock

 

[SP33Demon]

Bottom line is, since Auburn has the best defense in the nation, I want to see them in the title game.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
holy cow nitemare is choking on SEC cock

No, my team is being ran into the ground by a retarded offensive coordinator and the coach that loves him. See my sig for details. I'm an ACC fanboi with a disdain for all things California.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
No, my team is being ran into the ground by a retarded offensive coordinator and the coach that loves him.

i'm having the same problem

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nitemare
No, my team is being ran into the ground by a retarded offensive coordinator and the coach that loves him.

i'm having the same problem

Texas has an offensive coordinator?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nitemare
No, my team is being ran into the ground by a retarded offensive coordinator and the coach that loves him.

i'm having the same problem

Texas has an offensive coordinator?

you wouldn't know it watching them!

rumor has it that when the play calling gets good major applewhite is actually calling the plays.

 

[ElFenix]

how about they add a 5th BCS bowl... say, the cotton bowl (if they can renovate the stadium), then take the top 2 teams out of those 5 bowls and have them play on MLK day?

 

[jkj]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Is USC really that good? Do you think they'll be undefeated if they had to play Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, or Alabama? I think Auburn should be in the title game if they win the SEC just based on the fact that it's the hardest conference.

I hate to jump on this sec is better than the other conferences but its true that the top few teams this year are better than the top few teams in every other conference. After the top 3 in the sec theres a big dropoff in talent. We do need a playoff system for this reason. Its easy to win your conference like usc and okl are doing when you dont have to play georgia, auburn, alabama, or tennessee. Im not saying that overall team for team the sec is better meaning an average ranking. I am however stating that the top3 in the sec are better than the top 3 in any other conference. This is huge b/c these top teams end up hurting each other.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
how about they add a 5th BCS bowl... say, the cotton bowl (if they can renovate the stadium), then take the top 2 teams out of those 5 bowls and have them play on MLK day?

IIRC, the BCS recently agreed to add a fifth bowl in a year or two. Unfortunately, it won't be used for playoffs but will instead be used to allow non-BCS teams easier access to a big game.
I'm hoping that once the Big East loses it's automatic berth, they'll have too many at-large spots to fill and will finally create a 4 team playoff using this fifth bowl.

 

[chuckywang]

Hmm...this 5th bowl idea is interesting. When is the BCS contract up? If there is a fifth bowl, then the Big East will probably keep its automatic berth. And then just add one more at large selection.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nitemare
No, my team is being ran into the ground by a retarded offensive coordinator and the coach that loves him.

i'm having the same problem

Texas has an offensive coordinator?

you wouldn't know it watching them!

rumor has it that when the play calling gets good major applewhite is actually calling the plays.

He's still there? He should have transferred to another school rather than sit behind Baby Simms. Hell we would take him if he still has eligibility left.

 

[chuckywang]

No, Texas's QB is Vince Young.

 

[Saulbadguy]

I'll be seriously pissed if Texas gets a BCS game. They don't deserve one at all.

 

[chuckywang]

dang, there's a lot of analysis in this thread.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
No, Texas's QB is Vince Young.

Applewhite is still involved in the organization IIRC

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
I'll be seriously pissed if Texas gets a BCS game. They don't deserve one at all.

By what reasoning? They lost a close game to arguably the best team in the nation. Forget all that close game should have lost nonsense, unless you want to get into the close games that OU and USC should have lost as well. At this point, I just don't see 8 teams you could logically rate ahead of TX.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: chuckywang
No, Texas's QB is Vince Young.

Applewhite is still involved in the organization IIRC

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
I'll be seriously pissed if Texas gets a BCS game. They don't deserve one at all.

By what reasoning? They lost a close game to arguably the best team in the nation. Forget all that close game should have lost nonsense, unless you want to get into the close games that OU and USC should have lost as well. At this point, I just don't see 8 teams you could logically rate ahead of TX.

They should have lost to Kansas. Anyone watching that game would know that. Texas should thank the refs for handing them that game on a silver platter. Offensive Pass interfence my ass.

-This coming from a hardcore Kansas STATE fan.

 

[chuckywang]

Yeah, if both Texas and Oklahoma go to the BCS, then the Big 12 gets more money right?

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Yeah, if both Texas and Oklahoma go to the BCS, then the Big 12 gets more money right?

Of course, but Texas in no way deserves it.