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From this morning's Dallas Morning News...I happen to think the guy is right...

USC? Enough already!
Talk of top-ranked Trojans takes attention away from OU, Auburn
09:26 PM CST on Sunday, November 14, 2004

ESPN?s cast of characters spent most of Saturday night bickering over whether Auburn should leapfrog Oklahoma in the media and coaches? polls.

They missed another issue.

Should Oklahoma and Auburn leap over Southern California?

USC has been ranked No. 1 all season. The Trojans were installed as the preseason No. 1 team, and they?ve won 10 out of 10 games.

Yet nobody talks about how California almost came away victorious or how Oregon State gave USC a good scare in the foggy Pacific Northwest.

?Voters have been putting USC at No. 1 for so long, they?ve forgotten to look at them,? said Jerry Palm, who runs CollegeBCS.com.

If television commentators can sway public opinion so easily, then they need to come clean with all the facts. At a minimum, they should stop giving the Men of Troy a free pass just because they are ranked No. 1.

USC has struggled at times, as have Oklahoma and Auburn. OU has better offensive numbers than USC, and the Tigers play better defense than the other two. And to top it off, both OU and Auburn play tougher competition in their respective leagues and they must win a conference championship game to boot.

Add it all up, and maybe Oklahoma and Auburn both deserve to be in the Fed Ex Orange Bowl.

All the statistical information can be found on the NCAA?s Web site, assuming TV producers know how to check.

The NCAA compiles the win-loss records of each team?s opponents. Any victory or loss against a Division I-AA team is thrown out. Going into this week?s regular-season finale at Baylor, OU?s previous 10 opponents have a combined record of 54-33. It?s the 14th-toughest schedule. The BCS computers certainly it. The Sooners were first in four of the six computer rankings last week and second in the other two.
Texas A&M has the toughest schedule, which should make Aggies fans puff out their chests. A&M?s opponents are 55-30.
USC?s previous opponents are 45-40 and Auburn?s are 41-32.

Now, the Trojans will see that number go up after the final two games. Notre Dame and UCLA are 12-8 combined. So USC doesn?t exactly have an easy road to the finish line.

But let?s look at the path USC has traveled. As of today, the Pac-10 has just four teams that are bowl eligible. To become bowl eligible, a team must post a winning record during the regular season?that means 6-5. USC, California, Arizona State and UCLA are the only ones who have at least six victories.

Over in the Big 12, six teams are bowl eligible. Seven teams are eligible in the SEC.

It?s no wonder why USC has won six games by 30 points or more. The league isn?t that good.

The Big 12 North isn?t that hot, either. But Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 South. That division may fill every top-level bowl game the league is affiliated with.

OU coach Bob Stoops seemed resigned to the fact that Auburn is the flavor of the month.
?All you can do is do your best to win and so ... you know, what are you gonna do?? Stoops said Sunday after The Associated Press Top 25 was released. OU and Auburn are tied for second.

Palm projects OU to remain second and Auburn will be third in this week?s BCS standings, which will be released at 11 a.m. today. But USC will still be No. 1.
Do the Trojans deserve to be there? It?s unknown.

Just don?t expect the ?talking heads,? as Stoops calls them, to tell fans any different.

 

kalster

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Is USC really that good? Do you think they'll be undefeated if they had to play Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, or Alabama? I think Auburn should be in the title game if they win the SEC just based on the fact that it's the hardest conference.

First of all, Auburn doesn't play Florida, and even if they did, it wouldn't matter this year because florida isn't great.

Ivan Maisel from ESPN does a pretty good job dispelling the myth that the SEC is good this year: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.../09/mailbag/index.html

Auburn has one good year every decade and is always left out of the title picture. 1983: screwed (Miami leapfrogs No. 3 Auburn after the bowl games). 1993: undefeated but on probation (Auburn's own fault). 2004: about to be left out of again. The SEC champ should have an automatic berth in the national championship every year and it should be left at that.
-- Paul Crane, Auburn, Ala.

Good historical perspective, Paul, but you've got to be kidding me about the last part. I know it's engrained in Southerners at birth that the SEC is the undisputed best conference in the country, and there are certainly years where that's true, but it's hardly a given. In fact, according to both Jeff Sagarin's and Jerry Palm's computer rankings, the SEC is currently sixth, neck-and-neck with the Mountain West. If I'm an Auburn fan, I'd think twice about using "the SEC is tougher" as my argument for unseating either USC or Oklahoma. I'm sure the Trojans fans would be quick to point out that the SEC has lost six of its past eight head-to-head matchups with the Pac-10. And I'm sure the Big 12 would be happy to point out its 6-2 record against fellow BCS conferences this season compared with the SEC's illustrious 2-3 mark (its most impressive win coming against 4-5 Oregon State).

and the hohum ACC was what 5-1 in post season last year? Not to shabby for a sucky conference..

The Pac 10 has USC, Cal and an overacheiving ASU team...that's it, everybody else is average or worse.
The SEC has Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU and Florida, Alabama and South Carolina are usually pretty good as well. I'm sorry but if you put USC in the SEC they would not be undefeated. They are only getting that many votes because they are in a sucky conference. Look what happened to Miami when it came to the ACC. It was not used to having to play good every Saturday to win and got beaten by a lowly UNC team and then by a Clemson team who lost to DUKE a few days ago.


Whoever says the Pac10 is tougher than the SEC should never be allowed to watch football again or be allowed to run with sharp objects...

Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record
The Big East top 5 teams have a combined 15-6 OOC record
The Big 10 top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record
Conference USA top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record
The Mountain West top 5 teams have a combined 11-9 OOC record
The MAC top 5 teams have a combined 5-10 OOC record
The WAC top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record

The SEC elite have won 94% of their conference vs conference games
ACC 93%
Big 12 87%
PAC 10 79%
Big East 71%
Big 10, Conference USA and WAC 64%
Mountain West 55%
MAC 33%

Top to Bottom BCS conference OOC rankings
Big 12 28-8 78% (very weird no team in either division has more than one OOC loss)
Big 10 24-9 73% (Bottom 6 have a 15-3 OOC record :confused;)
ACC 22-8 73%
SEC 25- 10 71%
Pac 10 18-11 62%
Big East 20-12 63%

So in order of drop offs from the elite to other teams
SEC -23%
ACC -20%
Big 12 -9%
PAC 10 -17%
Big East -8%
Big 10 +9%

Stat summary and breakdown:
The SEC and ACC have the toughest top teams but have very weak bottom dwellers. The Big 12 is not that far behind in their top ranks and are pretty decent top to bottom. The Pac 10 is a 2-3 pony conference tops and has a major drop off from there. The Big East has pretty average good teams and there is not that much of a dropoff after that. The Big 10 has below average top teams, but have no real bad teams either...on any given Sunday anyone can lose...*cough* Wisconsin *cough*
that still doesnt explain the fact that the TOUGHEST conference according to you SEC has lot 6 out of 8 games against pac 10

 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record

Who did you use for the 7th team from the SEC? Florida? How about 5th in the ACC, Georgia Tech? Pac 10, for the last 2 did you use Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA?

I used the only 7 teams that had winning records in the SEC, the 5 teams with winning records for the ACC, Since the Pac 10 only had 4 teams with winning records, pick either Oregon or Oregon State they have identical records.
 

sciencewhiz

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record

Who did you use for the 7th team from the SEC? Florida? How about 5th in the ACC, Georgia Tech? Pac 10, for the last 2 did you use Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA?

I used the only 7 teams that had winning records in the SEC, the 5 teams with winning records for the ACC, Since the Pac 10 only had 4 teams with winning records, pick either Oregon or Oregon State they have identical records.

See my post above with the records of those teams opponents. I used Oregon State.
 

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I live in SoCal and I've been raised on Trojan football since birth. I have personally played with and know a lot of players on the USC team in high school. My opinion on this whole messed up BCS situation is:

1. Scrap the BCS
2. NCAA makes some type of 4 or 8 team playoff system for the top ranked teams
3. NCAA makes a similiar BCS set up for lower ranked teams that do not make it to the playoffs
4. USC dominates NCAA Div-1A football for the next 5-6 years.....hehe JMO ;D

The way I see it, as long as the Trojans remain undefeated this year, they deserve to be in the Top 2 in BCS rankings and in the championship bowl game. USC has played spectacular this year and if not for such a young cast of players (due to injuries, ineligibilities etc) they would undoubtly be the #1 team in the end and in the champ bowl game this year. On avg. USC is beating teams (32 - some single digit number) by half time and is basically inserting their 2nd and 3rd strings players to play full time before the first half of the 3rd Quarter is over. This USC team is only going to get better next year with all of the experience their young players are getting. USC is THE TEAM TO BEAT this year and if the BCS scews us again this year Ima be f$@%'ing pissed.
 

Ns1

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everybody said michigan would run over USC last year too and look at what happened
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Yeah, but how many of those SEC top 7 loses are against other SEC top 7 schools? Ditto with ACC top 5?

All but one for each league

that still doesnt explain the fact that the TOUGHEST conference according to you SEC has lot 6 out of 8 games against pac 10

Of the toughest 7 schools in the SEC they have lost one friggin game and that was to an Independent....6 out of 8 vs SEC teams you say?

6 out of 8 you say....
USC played an 1 ACC team and not 1 but 2 MWC, both with losing records.

California has played another MWC school with alosing record and a .500 Sunbelt conference team

Arizona State played a WAC team, a .500 Big 10 team and another pretty good Big 10 team(Keep in mind it is a very off year for the Big 10)

UCLA played and lost to a pretty decent Big 12 team who is only 4th in their division, but they did manage to beat the worst team in the Big 10 as well as the worst team in the MWC.

Oregon State lost to an SEC team, lost to a WAC team, and managed to beat a MWC team.

Oregon lost to the worst Big 10 team, lost to a Big 12 team, beat the next to worst team in the Sunbelt

Stanford spanked the worst team in the WAC, beat a .500 MWC team and lost to an Independent

Washington State beat a MWC team, lost to the 7th best Big 10 team and pounded the next to worst Sunbelt conference team

Arizona beat a below average Big Sky team, lost to a MWC team, and lost to a Big 10 team

Washington lost to a WAC team, lost to an Independent but managed to beat the worst team in the WAC

I only count USC and Arizona State with 1 quality win each. The rest of the wins has came against average to below average to down right the worst of what the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt have to offer and that's pretty much it. There has only been one SEC vs Pac 10 this season and guess what, the SEC is undefeated :D
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record

Who did you use for the 7th team from the SEC? Florida? How about 5th in the ACC, Georgia Tech? Pac 10, for the last 2 did you use Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA?

I used the only 7 teams that had winning records in the SEC, the 5 teams with winning records for the ACC, Since the Pac 10 only had 4 teams with winning records, pick either Oregon or Oregon State they have identical records.

See my post above with the records of those teams opponents. I used Oregon State.


See my post above for the who's who of who the Pac 10 has played this year.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Nitemare
See my post above for the who's who of who the Pac 10 has played this year.

Do the same with the SEC now.

No thanks. You quoted ratings that were already biased towards a certain conference. The measure of the team and conference should be against who you have beaten and lost to, not what some geek's mathematical formula says.
 

Alkaline5

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Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Do the same with the SEC now.

sciencewhiz, you're obviously down on the SEC but I can't decide who, exactly, you're pulling for... Are you a Pac-10 fan or a Big 12 fan?
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
I live in SoCal and I've been raised on Trojan football since birth. I have personally played with and know a lot of players on the USC team in high school. My opinion on this whole messed up BCS situation is:

1. Scrap the BCS
2. NCAA makes some type of 4 or 8 team playoff system for the top ranked teams
3. NCAA makes a similiar BCS set up for lower ranked teams that do not make it to the playoffs
4. USC dominates NCAA Div-1A football for the next 5-6 years.....hehe JMO ;D

The way I see it, as long as the Trojans remain undefeated this year, they deserve to be in the Top 2 in BCS rankings and in the championship bowl game. USC has played spectacular this year and if not for such a young cast of players (due to injuries, ineligibilities etc) they would undoubtly be the #1 team in the end and in the champ bowl game this year. On avg. USC is beating teams (32 - some single digit number) by half time and is basically inserting their 2nd and 3rd strings players to play full time before the first half of the 3rd Quarter is over. This USC team is only going to get better next year with all of the experience their young players are getting. USC is THE TEAM TO BEAT this year and if the BCS scews us again this year Ima be f$@%'ing pissed.

Auburn's margin of victory in SEC games is an impressive 20.4 points per game. In all games, the Tigers are third nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0) followed by Southern California (25.5).

 

FinalFantasy

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
From this morning's Dallas Morning News...I happen to think the guy is right...

USC? Enough already!
Talk of top-ranked Trojans takes attention away from OU, Auburn
09:26 PM CST on Sunday, November 14, 2004

ESPN?s cast of characters spent most of Saturday night bickering over whether Auburn should leapfrog Oklahoma in the media and coaches? polls.

They missed another issue.

Should Oklahoma and Auburn leap over Southern California?

USC has been ranked No. 1 all season. The Trojans were installed as the preseason No. 1 team, and they?ve won 10 out of 10 games.

Yet nobody talks about how California almost came away victorious or how Oregon State gave USC a good scare in the foggy Pacific Northwest.

?Voters have been putting USC at No. 1 for so long, they?ve forgotten to look at them,? said Jerry Palm, who runs CollegeBCS.com.

If television commentators can sway public opinion so easily, then they need to come clean with all the facts. At a minimum, they should stop giving the Men of Troy a free pass just because they are ranked No. 1.

USC has struggled at times, as have Oklahoma and Auburn. OU has better offensive numbers than USC, and the Tigers play better defense than the other two. And to top it off, both OU and Auburn play tougher competition in their respective leagues and they must win a conference championship game to boot.

Add it all up, and maybe Oklahoma and Auburn both deserve to be in the Fed Ex Orange Bowl.

All the statistical information can be found on the NCAA?s Web site, assuming TV producers know how to check.

The NCAA compiles the win-loss records of each team?s opponents. Any victory or loss against a Division I-AA team is thrown out. Going into this week?s regular-season finale at Baylor, OU?s previous 10 opponents have a combined record of 54-33. It?s the 14th-toughest schedule. The BCS computers certainly it. The Sooners were first in four of the six computer rankings last week and second in the other two.
Texas A&M has the toughest schedule, which should make Aggies fans puff out their chests. A&M?s opponents are 55-30.
USC?s previous opponents are 45-40 and Auburn?s are 41-32.

Now, the Trojans will see that number go up after the final two games. Notre Dame and UCLA are 12-8 combined. So USC doesn?t exactly have an easy road to the finish line.

But let?s look at the path USC has traveled. As of today, the Pac-10 has just four teams that are bowl eligible. To become bowl eligible, a team must post a winning record during the regular season?that means 6-5. USC, California, Arizona State and UCLA are the only ones who have at least six victories.

Over in the Big 12, six teams are bowl eligible. Seven teams are eligible in the SEC.

It?s no wonder why USC has won six games by 30 points or more. The league isn?t that good.

The Big 12 North isn?t that hot, either. But Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 South. That division may fill every top-level bowl game the league is affiliated with.

OU coach Bob Stoops seemed resigned to the fact that Auburn is the flavor of the month.
?All you can do is do your best to win and so ... you know, what are you gonna do?? Stoops said Sunday after The Associated Press Top 25 was released. OU and Auburn are tied for second.

Palm projects OU to remain second and Auburn will be third in this week?s BCS standings, which will be released at 11 a.m. today. But USC will still be No. 1.
Do the Trojans deserve to be there? It?s unknown.

Just don?t expect the ?talking heads,? as Stoops calls them, to tell fans any different.

Obviously you've never seen USC play or either your the guy who always "goes for the underdog". USC has been "easy" on teams this year and that's Coach Carrol's mistake. Coach Carrol is an excellent coach that DOES NOT LIKE TO EMBARRASS OTHER COACHES BY BEATING THE $H)T OUT OF THEM. Realistically, a lot of these "close games" that USC has been having is from Coach Carrol and Norm Chow playing TOO CONSERVATIVELY. That's why at half time you consistently see USC coming out and really laying it on the opposing team...this is becaue Carrol and Chow sit down, rethink their coaching strategies and come out with a "more aggressive" offensive and defensive plan for the 2nd half.

Now, I can understand why coach Carrol and Chow do this; they have a "young team" and usually when you have a young team you want to "play cautious" because young players make mistakes. But the only problem with this is that the young players are coming out and really stepping up their games and playing like exprienced players.

USC deserves to be #1. According to your article people are just "paying attention" to USC and not watching their games and are getting use to voting for them to be #1 The only problem for you is "paying attention" to USC being #1 instead of watching their games is good for you and others, YOU DO NOT GET TO SEE USC GO EASY ON TEAMS AND SEE THEM DOMINATE TEAMS EVERY TIME THEY PLAY. I want people to be able to watch USC games and see how explosive and exciting they are and how they ALWAYS dominate their games and have their opponents "under control" no matter how close the score says.

Next year we only mature and get better, so you better get use to USC being #1 for awhile buddy. You guys are just lucky we didn't return Mike Williams and Whitney Lewis this year.
 

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Auburn's margin of victory in SEC games is an impressive 20.4 points per game. In all games, the Tigers are third nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0) followed by Southern California (25.5).

Southern California's margin of victor in Pac-10 games is an impressive 25.4 points per game. In all games, the Trojans are second nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0).
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Auburn's margin of victory in SEC games is an impressive 20.4 points per game. In all games, the Tigers are third nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0) followed by Southern California (25.5).

Southern California's margin of victor in Pac-10 games is an impressive 25.4 points per game. In all games, the Trojans are second nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0).

Ok, so we've figured out you are a PAC-10 fanboi. Good job of bascially rewording something I copy/pasted.
 

sciencewhiz

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Nitemare
See my post above for the who's who of who the Pac 10 has played this year.

Do the same with the SEC now.

No thanks. You quoted ratings that were already biased towards a certain conference. The measure of the team and conference should be against who you have beaten and lost to, not what some geek's mathematical formula says.

I can't find ANY ranking, whether computer or human, that has any of the SEC's out of conference opponents ranked in the top 25 besides Notre Dame, Texas, and Oregon State (and those only in some). You've already established that Oregon State sucks, and Notre Dame and Texas won their games.

Pick any rating system and I'll do the analysis. I'll even accept you listing out all 117 teams in the order you think they should be ranked.
 

kalster

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Auburn's margin of victory in SEC games is an impressive 20.4 points per game. In all games, the Tigers are third nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0) followed by Southern California (25.5).

Southern California's margin of victor in Pac-10 games is an impressive 25.4 points per game. In all games, the Trojans are second nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0).

Ok, so we've figured out you are a PAC-10 fanboi. Good job of bascially rewording something I copy/pasted.

we already knew you were a sec fanboi right ;)
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Auburn's margin of victory in SEC games is an impressive 20.4 points per game. In all games, the Tigers are third nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0) followed by Southern California (25.5).

Southern California's margin of victor in Pac-10 games is an impressive 25.4 points per game. In all games, the Trojans are second nationally in scoring differential, outscoring their opponents 24.9 ppg. Louisville is first (26.0).

Ok, so we've figured out you are a PAC-10 fanboi. Good job of bascially rewording something I copy/pasted.

we already knew you were a sec fanboi right ;)

Naw, I'm actually a Big-10 fanboi but they suck this year.

I'm an unashamed Ohio State fan. :)
 

sciencewhiz

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Ok, so we've figured out you are a PAC-10 fanboi. Good job of bascially rewording something I copy/pasted.

Yes, I am a Pac-10 fan (USC fan for about 10 years). I am also a fan of the underdog, and even more so do I love to pick arguments that I can win.
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: minendo
USC will lose to Notre Damn so it doesn't matter.

God I hope so, If USC gets in and Auburn doesn't it will suck the big 1

yup and norte dame beating 3 top 25 teams should boost them back into the top 25 which will help michigans SOS in the computers and would hopfully give them enough to jump utah in the computers and polls so the bowls would line up like this

Orange: OU-Auburn
Rose: USC-Michigan
Surger:Cal-Miami?
Fiesta: Texas-Boston College

although now that I think about it I would rather have michigan play cal this year, but I really don't want utah to play for the BCS
 

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You people down on USC are greatly mistaken. As someone pointed out earlier it was you guys (or people like you) last year that said USC would be beaten soundly by Michigan. Michigan was easily dismantled by USC while LSU and OU played a sloppy excuse for a championship game (some might spin it as a defensive struggle, but it was really just sloppy).

although now that I think about it I would rather have michigan play cal this year, but I really don't want utah to play for the BCS

I want Utah there. I would love to have a new team there and see how they really stack up to the big football schools. IMO, I bet Utah would win.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
Originally posted by: shinerburke
From this morning's Dallas Morning News...I happen to think the guy is right...

USC? Enough already!
Talk of top-ranked Trojans takes attention away from OU, Auburn
09:26 PM CST on Sunday, November 14, 2004

ESPN?s cast of characters spent most of Saturday night bickering over whether Auburn should leapfrog Oklahoma in the media and coaches? polls.

They missed another issue.

Should Oklahoma and Auburn leap over Southern California?

USC has been ranked No. 1 all season. The Trojans were installed as the preseason No. 1 team, and they?ve won 10 out of 10 games.

Yet nobody talks about how California almost came away victorious or how Oregon State gave USC a good scare in the foggy Pacific Northwest.

?Voters have been putting USC at No. 1 for so long, they?ve forgotten to look at them,? said Jerry Palm, who runs CollegeBCS.com.

If television commentators can sway public opinion so easily, then they need to come clean with all the facts. At a minimum, they should stop giving the Men of Troy a free pass just because they are ranked No. 1.

USC has struggled at times, as have Oklahoma and Auburn. OU has better offensive numbers than USC, and the Tigers play better defense than the other two. And to top it off, both OU and Auburn play tougher competition in their respective leagues and they must win a conference championship game to boot.

Add it all up, and maybe Oklahoma and Auburn both deserve to be in the Fed Ex Orange Bowl.

All the statistical information can be found on the NCAA?s Web site, assuming TV producers know how to check.

The NCAA compiles the win-loss records of each team?s opponents. Any victory or loss against a Division I-AA team is thrown out. Going into this week?s regular-season finale at Baylor, OU?s previous 10 opponents have a combined record of 54-33. It?s the 14th-toughest schedule. The BCS computers certainly it. The Sooners were first in four of the six computer rankings last week and second in the other two.
Texas A&M has the toughest schedule, which should make Aggies fans puff out their chests. A&M?s opponents are 55-30.
USC?s previous opponents are 45-40 and Auburn?s are 41-32.

Now, the Trojans will see that number go up after the final two games. Notre Dame and UCLA are 12-8 combined. So USC doesn?t exactly have an easy road to the finish line.

But let?s look at the path USC has traveled. As of today, the Pac-10 has just four teams that are bowl eligible. To become bowl eligible, a team must post a winning record during the regular season?that means 6-5. USC, California, Arizona State and UCLA are the only ones who have at least six victories.

Over in the Big 12, six teams are bowl eligible. Seven teams are eligible in the SEC.

It?s no wonder why USC has won six games by 30 points or more. The league isn?t that good.

The Big 12 North isn?t that hot, either. But Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 South. That division may fill every top-level bowl game the league is affiliated with.

OU coach Bob Stoops seemed resigned to the fact that Auburn is the flavor of the month.
?All you can do is do your best to win and so ... you know, what are you gonna do?? Stoops said Sunday after The Associated Press Top 25 was released. OU and Auburn are tied for second.

Palm projects OU to remain second and Auburn will be third in this week?s BCS standings, which will be released at 11 a.m. today. But USC will still be No. 1.
Do the Trojans deserve to be there? It?s unknown.

Just don?t expect the ?talking heads,? as Stoops calls them, to tell fans any different.

Obviously you've never seen USC play or either your the guy who always "goes for the underdog". USC has been "easy" on teams this year and that's Coach Carrol's mistake. Coach Carrol is an excellent coach that DOES NOT LIKE TO EMBARRASS OTHER COACHES BY BEATING THE $H)T OUT OF THEM. Realistically, a lot of these "close games" that USC has been having is from Coach Carrol and Norm Chow playing TOO CONSERVATIVELY. That's why at half time you consistently see USC coming out and really laying it on the opposing team...this is becaue Carrol and Chow sit down, rethink their coaching strategies and come out with a "more aggressive" offensive and defensive plan for the 2nd half.

Now, I can understand why coach Carrol and Chow do this; they have a "young team" and usually when you have a young team you want to "play cautious" because young players make mistakes. But the only problem with this is that the young players are coming out and really stepping up their games and playing like exprienced players.

USC deserves to be #1. According to your article people are just "paying attention" to USC and not watching their games and are getting use to voting for them to be #1 The only problem for you is "paying attention" to USC being #1 instead of watching their games is good for you and others, YOU DO NOT GET TO SEE USC GO EASY ON TEAMS AND SEE THEM DOMINATE TEAMS EVERY TIME THEY PLAY. I want people to be able to watch USC games and see how explosive and exciting they are and how they ALWAYS dominate their games and have their opponents "under control" no matter how close the score says.

Next year we only mature and get better, so you better get use to USC being #1 for awhile buddy. You guys are just lucky we didn't return Mike Williams and Whitney Lewis this year.

I saw them play in the Fog Bowl recently and against Va Tech early in the year. I was not impressed in the least...just for comparison
Auburn vs USC
Ga vs Cal
Tennessee vs ASU
LSU vs UCLA
Florida vs Oregon State
South Carolina vs Oregon
Alabama vs Stanford
Arkansas vs Washington State
Miss vs Arizona
Miss St vs Washington

Who do you think would win these games on a neutral field?
 

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
You people down on USC are greatly mistaken. As someone pointed out earlier it was you guys (or people like you) last year that said USC would be beaten soundly by Michigan. Michigan was easily dismantled by USC while LSU and OU played a sloppy excuse for a championship game (some might spin it as a defensive struggle, but it was really just sloppy).

although now that I think about it I would rather have michigan play cal this year, but I really don't want utah to play for the BCS

I want Utah there. I would love to have a new team there and see how they really stack up to the big football schools. IMO, I bet Utah would win.

<usc hater> but michigan was a 1 loss team last year and and was not playing its best football, lsu on the other hand is from sec which is the toughest conference and totally distmantled ou which was playing full strength </usc hater>