Auburn, Oklahoma, USC and the BCS

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Yeah, if both Texas and Oklahoma go to the BCS, then the Big 12 gets more money right?

Of course, but Texas in no way deserves it.

And they won't go as of right now.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
dang, there's a lot of analysis in this thread.

not really for the most part just sec fanbois coming up with diff reasons why usc doesnt deserver to be in the championship game , but it doesnt matter, i would like to see them play auburn (they have already handed their ass the past 2 years, but ofcourse they are a totally improved team this year,but its gotta play into their mind if they meet)

anyway i still maintain all 3 undefeated should have and equal chance to get there, too bad the system is going to screw 1 team if all 3 go undefeated

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

* Auburn is first nationally in scoring defense, holding opponents to 9.3 points per game. A total of 67 of the 93 points (72 percent) that the Tigers have allowed have come with Auburn leading by 20 or more points.

I'm not sure what USC's garbage time statistics are, but they probably aren't as good. Overall defense is not too far behind.

Undefeated teams ranked by meaningful points allowed:

1. Auburn: 26
2. Utah: 75
3. USC: 77
4. Oklahoma: 131
5. Boise St: 189

Undefeated teams ranked by percentage of points allowed in garbage time:

1. Auburn: 72%
2. Utah: 64%
3. USC: 34%
4. Oklahoma: 19%
5. Boise St: 17%

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

* Auburn is first nationally in scoring defense, holding opponents to 9.3 points per game. A total of 67 of the 93 points (72 percent) that the Tigers have allowed have come with Auburn leading by 20 or more points.

I'm not sure what USC's garbage time statistics are, but they probably aren't as good. Overall defense is not too far behind.

Undefeated teams ranked by meaningful points allowed:

1. Auburn: 26
2. Utah: 75
3. USC: 77
4. Oklahoma: 131
5. Boise St: 189

Undefeated teams ranked by percentage of points allowed in garbage time:

1. Auburn: 72%
2. Utah: 64%
3. USC: 34%
4. Oklahoma: 19%
5. Boise St: 17%

SEC teams in the BCS championship game:

0%

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Yeah, if both Texas and Oklahoma go to the BCS, then the Big 12 gets more money right?

Of course, but Texas in no way deserves it.

And they won't go as of right now.

Hopefully it stays that way.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

He's still there? He should have transferred to another school rather than sit behind Baby Simms. Hell we would take him if he still has eligibility left.

he sits in the booth

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Yeah, if both Texas and Oklahoma go to the BCS, then the Big 12 gets more money right?

Of course, but Texas in no way deserves it.

The Big 12 would get more money, but it wouldn't be doubled. IIRC, the payout is about $14 million for the first team from a conference and then $5 million for the next team they send.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Found this on a BCS mailing list I'm on. The CPU rankings refers to the average of the 6 BCS computer's rankings.

assume OU plays #45 Iowa St in the Big 12 championship game, Auburn plays
Tennessee again
numbers are opponents cpu rating right now....
USC: 5.25, 7.00, 16.25, 28.25, 30.00, 36.50, 49.25, 54.00, 62.00, 73.75, 87.75, 104.25
Okla: 5.00, 13.50, 19.00, 26.75, 37.50, 48.75, 51.00, 51.75, 66.00, 72.25, 74.50, 88.25
Auburn: 15.00, 15.00, 15.50, 18.75, 46.00, 52.25, 57.25, 74.50, 87.75, 92.25, 99.50, D 1-AA

best win- OU 5.00 vs USC 5.25 vs Aub 15.00
2nd best- USC 7.00 vs Okla 13.50 vs Aub 15.00
3rd best- Aub 15.50 vs USC 16.25 vs USC 16.25
4th best- Aub 18.75 vs Okla 26.75 vs USC 28.25
5th best- USC 30.00 vs Okla 37.50 vs Aub 46.00
6th best- USC 36.50 vs Okla 48.75 vs Aub 52.25
7th best- USC 49.25 vs Okla 51.00 vs Aub 57.25
8th best- Okla 51.75 vs USC 54.00 vs Aub 74.50
9th best- USC 62.00 vs Okla 66.00 vs Aub 87.75
10th best- Okla 72.25 vs USC 73.75 vs Aub 92.25
11th best- Okla 74.50 vs USC 87.75 vs Aub 99.50
12th best- Okla 88.25 vs USC 104.25 vs Aub 1-AA
Auburn only has 2 games where they are tops of the 3.... The other 10
they're the worst. USC has a pretty good schedule I think. I think looking
at this that Auburn's schedule is probably the weakest top to bottom. But,
they've done the best against the top teams(of which they have more than
either USC or Oklahoma).

Keep in mind with this analysis- OU has yet to play the 11th best team as
well as the 6th best team on their schedule. USC has 5th and 6th best games
remaining, while Auburn has 6th and 2nd best games remaining.

I'm still waiting for nitemare to post a ranking system he likes.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy


They should have lost to Kansas. Anyone watching that game would know that. Texas should thank the refs for handing them that game on a silver platter. Offensive Pass interfence my ass.

so you're ignoring the terrible calls made the entire game by the referee? had any one of those been reversed, the situation would have been different. heck, if kansas had stopped texas in any plays after that (like the 4th and 18), they could have won.

i figured not to blame the outcome in sports on any single play or call because there are so many others that coul dhave changed things

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: DingDingDao

Originally posted by: arcas
This is why BCS is such a complete failure. It fails to solve the problem it set out to solve. The NCAA needs to move to a playoff setup. Take the top 4 or 8 teams and let them play. It only adds a couple more weeks to the schedule, the NCAA makes tons more money and when it's all over, there is no dispute over who should be playing for the championship.

My sentiments exactly. Give this man a :beer:

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy


They should have lost to Kansas. Anyone watching that game would know that. Texas should thank the refs for handing them that game on a silver platter. Offensive Pass interfence my ass.

so you're ignoring the terrible calls made the entire game by the referee? had any one of those been reversed, the situation would have been different. heck, if kansas had stopped texas in any plays after that (like the 4th and 18), they could have won.

i figured not to blame the outcome in sports on any single play or call because there are so many others that coul dhave changed things

Like Benson fumbling the ball, when the ref was looking right at the play, but called it down by contact? Sure.

Again...KU got royally screwed. Bad calls or one thing, but this was a blatant screw job.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
I'm still waiting for nitemare to post a ranking system he likes.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy


They should have lost to Kansas. Anyone watching that game would know that. Texas should thank the refs for handing them that game on a silver platter. Offensive Pass interfence my ass.

so you're ignoring the terrible calls made the entire game by the referee? had any one of those been reversed, the situation would have been different. heck, if kansas had stopped texas in any plays after that (like the 4th and 18), they could have won.

i figured not to blame the outcome in sports on any single play or call because there are so many others that coul dhave changed things

John Nash would disagree.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Yeah, if both Texas and Oklahoma go to the BCS, then the Big 12 gets more money right?

Of course, but Texas in no way deserves it.

The Big 12 would get more money, but it wouldn't be doubled. IIRC, the payout is about $14 million for the first team from a conference and then $5 million for the next team they send.

I believe that's correct.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
I'm still waiting for nitemare to post a ranking system he likes.

Glad you asked...

I will go with conference champs being rated 1-6 then everybody else..

1. Auburn
2. Oklahoma
3. USC
4. Utah
5. ACC Champ(1 of 4 teams...for poll purposes FSU)
6. Michigan
7. California
8. Texas
9. Georgia
10. Wisconsin
11. Louisville
12. Miami
13. LSU
14. Virginia Tech
15. Virginia
16. Tennessee
17. Boise State
18. Iowa
19. Boston College
20. West Virginia
21. Texas A&M
22. Oklahoma State
23. Texas Tech
24. Arizona State
25. Georgia Tech

 

[sciencewhiz]

From the BCS site http://www.bcsfootball.org/index.cfm?page=revenue

Once the guaranteed annual payments are made, the remaining monies are initially split into six equal base shares (in 2004-05 each base share is worth $14,438,333) for the participants of the FedEx Orange Bowl, Nokia Sugar Bowl and Tostitos Fiesta Bowl [The Rose Bowl pays its participants directly through a separate contractual arrangement].

However, should a conference have more than one team participate in the BCS games (including the Rose Bowl) then the second participant does not receive a full share, but instead a reduced payment of $4,500,000. The difference between the full share payment, $14,438,333, and the second share payment of $4,500,000 ($9,938,333) is then divided among the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pacific-10, and Southeastern Conferences.

 

[sciencewhiz]

So, you have the SEC having 4 teams in the top 25
Your conference, the ACC, having 5
Pac-10: 3
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 3
Big East: 2
MWC: 1
Conf-USA: 1
WAC: 1

Your #1 team has beaten 3 of top 25 by an average of score of 14. Those 3 teams have an average ranking of 13, with the highest being #9. In those games they gave up an average of 8 and scored an average of 22.

Your #2 team has beaten 4 of the top 25 by an average score of 9. Those 4 teams have an average ranking of 18, with the highest being #8. In those games they gave up an average of 21 points and scored an average of 30 points.

Your #3 team has beaten 3 of the top 25 by an average of 19. Those 3 teams have an average ranking of 15, with the highest being #7. In those games they gave up an average of 12 and scored an average of 31 points. They are the only team to schedule one of your top 25 out of conference.

Oklahoma played the most top 25 teams, but lost all the other categories
Auburn's teams had the highest average ranking and they had the best defensive performance
USC beat the highest of your ranked teams and had the best offensive performance and best MOV.


I'm more interested in your rankings of the other 92 division 1-A teams, so that we can compare the strength of the SEC to the other conferences. If you don't feel like ranking all of them, you can give me any other ranking that you find fair.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
So, you have the SEC having 4 teams in the top 25
Your conference, the ACC, having 5
Pac-10: 3
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 3
Big East: 2
MWC: 1
Conf-USA: 1
WAC: 1

Your #1 team has beaten 3 of top 25 by an average of score of 14. Those 3 teams have an average ranking of 13, with the highest being #9. In those games they gave up an average of 8 and scored an average of 22.

Your #2 team has beaten 4 of the top 25 by an average score of 9. Those 4 teams have an average ranking of 18, with the highest being #8. In those games they gave up an average of 21 points and scored an average of 30 points.

Your #3 team has beaten 3 of the top 25 by an average of 19. Those 3 teams have an average ranking of 15, with the highest being #7. In those games they gave up an average of 12 and scored an average of 31 points. They are the only team to schedule one of your top 25 out of conference.

Oklahoma played the most top 25 teams, but lost all the other categories
Auburn's teams had the highest average ranking and they had the best defensive performance
USC beat the highest of your ranked teams and had the best offensive performance and best MOV.


I'm more interested in your rankings of the other 92 division 1-A teams, so that we can compare the strength of the SEC to the other conferences. If you don't feel like ranking all of them, you can give me any other ranking that you find fair.

Ga Tech or Florida could be interchangeable, that was really the only place that I was really undecided about. The ACC has 4 teams that still have a shot at a BCS bowl, name me any other conference that can say that..

The #3 team is subject to change, especially after Notre Dame whoops them . Both the Big 12 and SEC conference champions have to win an additional championship game in order to represent their conference in the BCS. ...Although that does not really matter this year for Oklahoma as their scrimmage team could probably take the North All-Stars.

I'm sorry but you remove the top two teams from the Pac 10 and you pretty much have the MWC, WAC or Sunbelt Conference...an also ran conference. You remove the Top 2 teams from the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and you still have some big dawgs

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: DingDingDao

Originally posted by: arcas
This is why BCS is such a complete failure. It fails to solve the problem it set out to solve. The NCAA needs to move to a playoff setup. Take the top 4 or 8 teams and let them play. It only adds a couple more weeks to the schedule, the NCAA makes tons more money and when it's all over, there is no dispute over who should be playing for the championship.

My sentiments exactly. Give this man a :beer:

No way. If they did this you'll be choosing the No. 4 or No.8 teams among a huge pool of 1-loss/2-loss teams. Then the focus won't be on the No.3 team that didn't get to play for the national championship, but the No. 5 and No. 9 teams swearing up and down that they deserve to be in the playoff because they too had just 1-loss but with tougher schedule and what not. I agree that BCS is a failure. I fail to see how this is better than the old way. I guess it's ok though.... I suspect that BCS isn't really concerened with justly deciding the national champion, but to protect the TV money within the major conferences...

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

I'm sorry but you remove the top two teams from the Pac 10 and you pretty much have the MWC, WAC or Sunbelt Conference...an also ran conference. You remove the Top 2 teams from the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and you still have some big dawgs

It's quite easy to state that. It's much harder to give facts to prove it. Ranking all the teams is one way.



If you took out the following teams, Miami, Florida St, Auburn, Georgia, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin, USC and Cal.

The 2 top ACC teams would have 1 loss each. (Virginia Tech to NC state, Virginia to Virginia Tech)
The 2 top SEC teams would be LSU, undefeated, and Tennessee, 1 loss to Notre Dame
There would be one one loss team in the Big 12 (Oklahoma State) and 2 2 loss (Texas A&M, and Texas Tech)
There would be one one loss team in the Big 10 (Iowa who lost to Arizona State)
There would be one undefeated team in the Pac 10 (Arizona State, who beat the Big 10's top team by a wide score margin) and UCLA and Oregon would have 2 losses.

So, in that case, we'd be arguing about LSU and Arizona State, still SEC vs Pac 10.

If you were to remove Boise St and Utah as well, the big 12 would have 2 one loss teams, and the pac-10 would have 3 2 loss teams.

 

[chuckywang]

Rivalry Week: Discuss the impact on the BCS!

 

[FinalFantasy]

USC goes undefeated this year and wins the Orange bowl....that's all you need to know.

Nuff said.