Auburn, Oklahoma, USC and the BCS

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

texas won't be in the bcs unless cal, usc, ou, or au lose, or if michigan jumps utah.

So how would it all work out? Say if everyone wins out and USC and OU end up 1 and 2. Why wouldn't Texas get an at large bid over Utah?

2 rules: if you're in the top 4, a bcs conf team, and not a conf champ, you go automatically. if you're in the top 6 from a non bcs conf you go automatically.

oh, or if utah loses.

 

[chuckywang]

Yeah. If you are a conf. champ, you go to the BCS, unless something wacky happens if the number of conf. champs + the top 6 spots in the final bcs rankings is greater than the number of available bcs berths.

 

[SP33Demon]

So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

No, the ACC champ or the Big East champ automatically gets in. So it's not necessarily the case that the Big East champ gets in.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

BC controls its destiny in the big weak.

seriously, the best team in that conf is louisville and they're not even there yet.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

No, the ACC champ or the Big East champ automatically gets in. So it's not necessarily the case that the Big East champ gets in.

both get in.

predictions

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

No, the ACC champ or the Big East champ automatically gets in. So it's not necessarily the case that the Big East champ gets in.

Which Teams Are Eligible?

The pool of eligible teams includes:

1. The conference champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pacific-10 and Southeastern Conferences. These teams are guaranteed berths.
2. All other Division I-A teams that have won at least nine regular season games (not including wins in exempt games) and are ranked among the top 12 in the final BCS standings are eligible for selection as an at-large team. The final standings will be released on Sunday, Dec. 5. Note: A win versus a Division I-AA opponent may be counted once in four years to reach the required nine wins.
3. Any Division I-A independent or team from Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt or Western Athletic Conferences will earn a guaranteed slot in one of the BCS games should that team be ranked sixth or higher in the final BCS Standings - unless more than two teams meet this criterion. Should more than two such teams be ranked in the top six of the standings, the BCS bowls will have their choice of any two from that group. However, any team ranked No. 1 or No. 2 must be selected for the national championship game.

The conferences whose champions have a guaranteed annual berth in one of the BCS bowls are subject to review and possible loss of that guaranteed annual berth should the conference champion not have an average ranking of 12 or higher over a four-year period.

Looks like thats the only technicality that would cause a BCS conference champion to miss an automatic bid.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

No, the ACC champ or the Big East champ automatically gets in. So it's not necessarily the case that the Big East champ gets in.

I thought both the ACC and the Big Easy have an automatic bid? Or does "bid" mean, you qualify, but may not be chosen?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

No, the ACC champ or the Big East champ automatically gets in. So it's not necessarily the case that the Big East champ gets in.

No, they both go to BCS bowls. However, the Orange bowl has its choice of those two as their automatic qualifier. (Fiesta gets Big 12 champion, Rose gets Pac 10 and Big 10 champions, Sugar gets SEC champion, Orange gets ACC or Big East Champion). This year Orange gets the national champion game and both ACC and Big East champions are wild cards.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: arcas
This is why BCS is such a complete failure. It fails to solve the problem it set out to solve. The NCAA needs to move to a playoff setup. Take the top 4 or 8 teams and let them play. It only adds a couple more weeks to the schedule, the NCAA makes tons more money and when it's all over, there is no dispute over who should be playing for the championship.

I agree. Take the top 8 teams and let them play between December 21 and January 15, regardless of conference. That will take up 7 games, which can be played over 3 weeks. Keep the other bowls for ranks 9 and below.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So who's going to win the Big East now that BC beat WVU? Is WVU automatically in if they beat Pitt, since Pitt beat BC? I think that's the tiebreaker. In any case, either team will prolly be headed to the Fiesta Bowl to play Utah or TX.

No, the ACC champ or the Big East champ automatically gets in. So it's not necessarily the case that the Big East champ gets in.

both get in.

predictions

http://sports.espn.go.com/spor...abcStory?page=aboutbcs

"These consideration tie-ins include the ACC or Big East champion in the FedEx Orange Bowl."

Am I misinterpretting this line? Does that mean the other team left out of the Orange Bowl gets an at-large berth, if one is available?

Either way, from those predictions, a Fiesta Bowl without a Big 12 team is whack!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

http://sports.espn.go.com/spor...abcStory?page=aboutbcs

"These consideration tie-ins include the ACC or Big East champion in the FedEx Orange Bowl."

Am I misinterpretting this line? Does that mean the other team left out of the Orange Bowl gets an at-large berth, if one is available?

Either way, from those predictions, a Fiesta Bowl without a Big 12 team is whack!

the orange bowl will not feature a big easy or acc team this year.

 

[Thraxen]

2 rules: if you're in the top 4, a bcs conf team, and not a conf champ, you go automatically. if you're in the top 6 from a non bcs conf you go automatically.

So Wisconsin losing and dropping from the top 6 should allow Utah and automatic bid since they should move up to 6, correct?

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
http://sports.espn.go.com/spor...abcStory?page=aboutbcs

"These consideration tie-ins include the ACC or Big East champion in the FedEx Orange Bowl."

Am I misinterpretting this line? Does that mean the other team left out of the Orange Bowl gets an at-large berth, if one is available?

Either way, from those predictions, a Fiesta Bowl without a Big 12 team is whack!

Both go to BCS bowls and at least one of them goes to the Orange (unless the Orange is hosting the championship).

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

2 rules: if you're in the top 4, a bcs conf team, and not a conf champ, you go automatically. if you're in the top 6 from a non bcs conf you go automatically.

So Wisconsin losing and dropping from the top 6 should allow Utah and automatic bid sinc they should move up to 6, correct?

correct

michigan isn't likely to jump them because michigan is way behind in the computers (boise was ranked above them last week)

actually... um might have jumped boise in some computers this week.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
USC will probably be left out of title game due to their SOS, that is an accurate assumption. Only 2 will make it.

You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

I think Auburn should be in there. I have not been that impressed with Oklahoma or USC, but would give the nod to Oklahoma because they have Peterson and can play better D than USC when they are motivated(unfortunately Texas is the only team that does that for them....maybe Auburn could wear longhorn helmets to make it competitive?)

If all 3 teams win out,
Auburn will have beaten the defending NCAA champs,(LSU)#15, the #16 team twice(Tennessee) and the #5 team(Georgia) by an average score of 26-8, and half of their opponents scoring came when the game was already decided.

Oklahoma will have beaten the #25 team(Texas Tech) an always overrated #7 team(Texas), the #24 team(Oklahoma State), the #23 team(Texas A&M) by an average of 30-21 and should have lost two of those games

USC will have beaten the #15 team(Va Tech....actually the officials gave them this game) an overrated #6 team(California), the #20 team(Arizona State) by an average of 31-12...this is all good however factor in they were outplayed in the Va Tech, had to rally from an 11 point halftime deficit from a lowly 4-6 team(Stanford) and also trailed at the half against a 4-5 team(Oregon State)

I would have hoped that all three teams win out as would Wisconsin and Utah so this turd called the BCS would finally have to acknowledge that they are retarded and go to a playoff format....thanks Badgers :|

 

[chuckywang]

I think (hope) in the future that the Big East will lose it's automatic berth, because it is becoming a basketball conference without a lot of good football teams.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

They scheduled the current #1 team in the ACC. Oklahoma scheduled a middle of the road pac-10 team. Auburn scheduled a Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think (hope) in the future that the Big East will lose it's automatic berth, because it is becoming a basketball conference without a lot of good football teams.

There is a provision for that already:

The "Big East" rule says that "The automatic selection of the original BCS conference champions is subject to review and possible (my emphasis) loss of automatic selection by the BCS should the conference champion not have an average ranking of 12 or higher over a four-year period."

Last year Miami was the champion and their ranking was 9th. This year the champion will definetly be higher then 12, and it's likely to continue that way. So, in 2 more years, the Big East should lost their bid.

If they tried to kick them out early, they'd be facing lawsuits.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Nitemare
You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

They scheduled the current #1 team in the ACC. Oklahoma scheduled a middle of the road pac-10 team. Auburn scheduled a Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team.

Let's keep in mind that VTech still has Uva and Miami left. And they don't have to play FSU.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Nitemare
You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

They scheduled the current #1 team in the ACC. Oklahoma scheduled a middle of the road pac-10 team. Auburn scheduled a Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team.

Let's keep in mind that VTech still has Uva and Miami left. And they don't have to play FSU.

Correct. At worst Virginia Tech is a middle of the road ACC team (so they scheduled similar to Oklahoma, and far better then Auburn), and at best, USC beat 2 teams going to BCS bowls.

 

[chuckywang]

Either way, it looks like Texas is going to get screwed again.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think (hope) in the future that the Big East will lose it's automatic berth, because it is becoming a basketball conference without a lot of good football teams.

Considering they lost Miami, VT, and soon BC yes I would agree. However, Louisville coming to the BE will strengthen it signifigantly, and UConn's program is brand spanking new and just starting to take off (they have a nice new stadium).

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Nitemare
You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

They scheduled the current #1 team in the ACC. Oklahoma scheduled a middle of the road pac-10 team. Auburn scheduled a Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team.

"Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team" = "Big 12 North"

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Nitemare
You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

They scheduled the current #1 team in the ACC. Oklahoma scheduled a middle of the road pac-10 team. Auburn scheduled a Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team.

"Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team" = "Big 12 North"

And both are better then the dregs of the SEC. I'd take the Big 12 North + Baylor over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the Mississippi schools, Arkansas and Florida. The major difference is the SEC spreads their bad teams out better.