Auburn, Oklahoma, USC and the BCS

[Thraxen]

And both are better then the dregs of the SEC. I'd take the Big 12 North + Baylor over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the Mississippi schools, Arkansas and Florida. The major difference is the SEC spreads their bad teams out better.

Please... now you have lost your mind. Arkansas and Florida would beat any Big 12 North team.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Alkaline5
"Sun belt team, a WAC team, and a bad division 1AA team" = "Big 12 North"

And both are better then the dregs of the SEC. I'd take the Big 12 North + Baylor over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the Mississippi schools, Arkansas and Florida. The major difference is the SEC spreads their bad teams out better.

I'll give you Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and the Mississippis w/o question, but despite their inconsistent records Arkansas and Florida would destroy the Big 12 North.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
USC will probably be left out of title game due to their SOS, that is an accurate assumption. Only 2 will make it.

You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

I think Auburn should be in there. I have not been that impressed with Oklahoma or USC, but would give the nod to Oklahoma because they have Peterson and can play better D than USC when they are motivated(unfortunately Texas is the only team that does that for them....maybe Auburn could wear longhorn helmets to make it competitive?)

If all 3 teams win out,
Auburn will have beaten the defending NCAA champs,(LSU)#15, the #16 team twice(Tennessee) and the #5 team(Georgia) by an average score of 26-8, and half of their opponents scoring came when the game was already decided.

Oklahoma will have beaten the #25 team(Texas Tech) an always overrated #7 team(Texas), the #24 team(Oklahoma State), the #23 team(Texas A&M) by an average of 30-21 and should have lost two of those games

USC will have beaten the #15 team(Va Tech....actually the officials gave them this game) an overrated #6 team(California), the #20 team(Arizona State) by an average of 31-12...this is all good however factor in they were outplayed in the Va Tech, had to rally from an 11 point halftime deficit from a lowly 4-6 team(Stanford) and also trailed at the half against a 4-5 team(Oregon State)

I would have hoped that all three teams win out as would Wisconsin and Utah so this turd called the BCS would finally have to acknowledge that they are retarded and go to a playoff format....thanks Badgers :|

How can you say they "should have lost" games? What compelling force made it such that they should have lost?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

And both are better then the dregs of the SEC. I'd take the Big 12 North + Baylor over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the Mississippi schools, Arkansas and Florida. The major difference is the SEC spreads their bad teams out better.

Please... now you have lost your mind. Arkansas and Florida would beat any Big 12 North team.

could, not would. As Alkaline5 said, both have been incredibly inconsistant.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Thraxen

And both are better then the dregs of the SEC. I'd take the Big 12 North + Baylor over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the Mississippi schools, Arkansas and Florida. The major difference is the SEC spreads their bad teams out better.

Please... now you have lost your mind. Arkansas and Florida would beat any Big 12 North team.

could, not would. As Alkaline5 said, both have been incredibly inconsistant.

Let me clarify: inconsistent beats consistently terrible.

 

[chuckywang]

Can anybody translate what this phrase taken from the bcs homepage for me? I don't get it.

"If one team other than Notre Dame qualifies for selection under this provision, Notre Dame shall also qualify for automatic at-large selection provided it is ranked in the top 10 in the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempted games. If two or more teams other than Notre Dame meet this criterion, Notre Dame shall also qualify for the at-large pool provided it is ranked in the top 10 of the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempt contests."

EDIT: n/m. I think I got it.

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
USC will probably be left out of title game due to their SOS, that is an accurate assumption. Only 2 will make it.

You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

I think Auburn should be in there. I have not been that impressed with Oklahoma or USC, but would give the nod to Oklahoma because they have Peterson and can play better D than USC when they are motivated(unfortunately Texas is the only team that does that for them....maybe Auburn could wear longhorn helmets to make it competitive?)

If all 3 teams win out,
Auburn will have beaten the defending NCAA champs,(LSU)#15, the #16 team twice(Tennessee) and the #5 team(Georgia) by an average score of 26-8, and half of their opponents scoring came when the game was already decided.

Oklahoma will have beaten the #25 team(Texas Tech) an always overrated #7 team(Texas), the #24 team(Oklahoma State), the #23 team(Texas A&M) by an average of 30-21 and should have lost two of those games

USC will have beaten the #15 team(Va Tech....actually the officials gave them this game) an overrated #6 team(California), the #20 team(Arizona State) by an average of 31-12...this is all good however factor in they were outplayed in the Va Tech, had to rally from an 11 point halftime deficit from a lowly 4-6 team(Stanford) and also trailed at the half against a 4-5 team(Oregon State)

I would have hoped that all three teams win out as would Wisconsin and Utah so this turd called the BCS would finally have to acknowledge that they are retarded and go to a playoff format....thanks Badgers :|

Stop hating on the Pac 10, we're a lot better than everyone else thinks and we'll show you when Cal and USC trounce whoever they play in their bowl games

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Is USC really that good? Do you think they'll be undefeated if they had to play Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, or Alabama? I think Auburn should be in the title game if they win the SEC just based on the fact that it's the hardest conference.

First of all, Auburn doesn't play Florida, and even if they did, it wouldn't matter this year because florida isn't great.

Ivan Maisel from ESPN does a pretty good job dispelling the myth that the SEC is good this year: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.../09/mailbag/index.html

Auburn has one good year every decade and is always left out of the title picture. 1983: screwed (Miami leapfrogs No. 3 Auburn after the bowl games). 1993: undefeated but on probation (Auburn's own fault). 2004: about to be left out of again. The SEC champ should have an automatic berth in the national championship every year and it should be left at that.
-- Paul Crane, Auburn, Ala.

Good historical perspective, Paul, but you've got to be kidding me about the last part. I know it's engrained in Southerners at birth that the SEC is the undisputed best conference in the country, and there are certainly years where that's true, but it's hardly a given. In fact, according to both Jeff Sagarin's and Jerry Palm's computer rankings, the SEC is currently sixth, neck-and-neck with the Mountain West. If I'm an Auburn fan, I'd think twice about using "the SEC is tougher" as my argument for unseating either USC or Oklahoma. I'm sure the Trojans fans would be quick to point out that the SEC has lost six of its past eight head-to-head matchups with the Pac-10. And I'm sure the Big 12 would be happy to point out its 6-2 record against fellow BCS conferences this season compared with the SEC's illustrious 2-3 mark (its most impressive win coming against 4-5 Oregon State).

and the hohum ACC was what 5-1 in post season last year? Not to shabby for a sucky conference..

The Pac 10 has USC, Cal and an overacheiving ASU team...that's it, everybody else is average or worse.
The SEC has Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU and Florida, Alabama and South Carolina are usually pretty good as well. I'm sorry but if you put USC in the SEC they would not be undefeated. They are only getting that many votes because they are in a sucky conference. Look what happened to Miami when it came to the ACC. It was not used to having to play good every Saturday to win and got beaten by a lowly UNC team and then by a Clemson team who lost to DUKE a few days ago.


Whoever says the Pac10 is tougher than the SEC should never be allowed to watch football again or be allowed to run with sharp objects...

Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record
The Big East top 5 teams have a combined 15-6 OOC record
The Big 10 top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record
Conference USA top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record
The Mountain West top 5 teams have a combined 11-9 OOC record
The MAC top 5 teams have a combined 5-10 OOC record
The WAC top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record

The SEC elite have won 94% of their conference vs conference games
ACC 93%
Big 12 87%
PAC 10 79%
Big East 71%
Big 10, Conference USA and WAC 64%
Mountain West 55%
MAC 33%

Top to Bottom BCS conference OOC rankings
Big 12 28-8 78% (very weird no team in either division has more than one OOC loss)
Big 10 24-9 73% (Bottom 6 have a 15-3 OOC record :confused
ACC 22-8 73%
SEC 25- 10 71%
Pac 10 18-11 62%
Big East 20-12 63%

So in order of drop offs from the elite to other teams
SEC -23%
ACC -20%
Big 12 -9%
PAC 10 -17%
Big East -8%
Big 10 +9%

Stat summary and breakdown:
The SEC and ACC have the toughest top teams but have very weak bottom dwellers. The Big 12 is not that far behind in their top ranks and are pretty decent top to bottom. The Pac 10 is a 2-3 pony conference tops and has a major drop off from there. The Big East has pretty average good teams and there is not that much of a dropoff after that. The Big 10 has below average top teams, but have no real bad teams either...on any given Sunday anyone can lose...*cough* Wisconsin *cough*

 

[cmdavid]

Latest BCS Rankings are out... Oklahoma is closer to USC than Auburn is to Oklahoma...]

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: marcello

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
USC will probably be left out of title game due to their SOS, that is an accurate assumption. Only 2 will make it.

You would have thought they would have learned from having a Mickey Mouse schedule last year...

I think Auburn should be in there. I have not been that impressed with Oklahoma or USC, but would give the nod to Oklahoma because they have Peterson and can play better D than USC when they are motivated(unfortunately Texas is the only team that does that for them....maybe Auburn could wear longhorn helmets to make it competitive?)

If all 3 teams win out,
Auburn will have beaten the defending NCAA champs,(LSU)#15, the #16 team twice(Tennessee) and the #5 team(Georgia) by an average score of 26-8, and half of their opponents scoring came when the game was already decided.

Oklahoma will have beaten the #25 team(Texas Tech) an always overrated #7 team(Texas), the #24 team(Oklahoma State), the #23 team(Texas A&M) by an average of 30-21 and should have lost two of those games

USC will have beaten the #15 team(Va Tech....actually the officials gave them this game) an overrated #6 team(California), the #20 team(Arizona State) by an average of 31-12...this is all good however factor in they were outplayed in the Va Tech, had to rally from an 11 point halftime deficit from a lowly 4-6 team(Stanford) and also trailed at the half against a 4-5 team(Oregon State)

I would have hoped that all three teams win out as would Wisconsin and Utah so this turd called the BCS would finally have to acknowledge that they are retarded and go to a playoff format....thanks Badgers :|

Stop hating on the Pac 10, we're a lot better than everyone else thinks and we'll show you when Cal and USC trounce whoever they play in their bowl games

You better hope Texas makes it to a BCS game for half of your prediction to come true. If USC plays Oklahoma, Peterson will run all over them and if they play Auburn it will be a massacre.

California playing the other overhyped team who usually loses in bowl games(Texas) might be a possibility.
Utah will probably outscore them, neither team could defend and Utah has a better offense.
Michigan would stomp them.
One of the 4 horsemen Florida State, Va Tech, Miami or Virginia would stomp them.
Wisconsin's D would put a major hurtin on them.
Georgia would spank them
Louisville would outscore them
They could beat Boise State and some of the other remainder teams in the top 25

 

[Zebo]

If SC and Oklahoma win out the rest of thier games, Auburn has no chance. They com from the weakest big conferance in the nation according to both Jeff Sagarin's and Jerry Palm's computer rankings, the SEC is currently sixth, neck-and-neck with the Mountain West.

SEC has lost 6 out of 8 games to PAC 10
SEC has lost 6 out of 8 games to BIG 12

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.../09/mailbag/index.html

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Zebo
If SC and Oklahoma win out the rest of thier games, Auburn has no chance. They com from the weakest big conferance in the nation according to both Jeff Sagarin's and Jerry Palm's computer rankings, the SEC is currently sixth, neck-and-neck with the Mountain West.

SEC has lost 6 out of 8 games to PAC 10
SEC has lost 6 out of 8 games to BIG 12

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.../09/mailbag/index.html

This is because Sagarin hits the crack pipe too frequently

 

[hdeck]

i hate utah stupid mid major playing crappy teams getting a bowl ahead of us. ridiculous

 

[minendo]

USC will lose to Notre Damn so it doesn't matter.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: minendo
USC will lose to Notre Damn so it doesn't matter.

LOL

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: hdeck
i hate utah stupid mid major playing crappy teams getting a bowl ahead of us. ridiculous

We'll see who looks better against A&M.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: minendo
USC will lose to Notre Damn so it doesn't matter.

God I hope so, If USC gets in and Auburn doesn't it will suck the big 1

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: minendo
USC will lose to Notre Damn so it doesn't matter.

LOL

Don't knock it. We suck against terrible teams (see, BYU, Pittsburgh), and played well against Tennesee and Michigan. However, we played Michigan with a freshman QB starting his second game, and Tennesee playing Rick Clausen. Our secondary is terrible, and these two teams were not able to take advantage of it. So, yeah, I'm thinking it will be more like Purdue than either of those wins. But hey, with this team, you never know who will show up.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record

Who did you use for the 7th team from the SEC? Florida? How about 5th in the ACC, Georgia Tech? Pac 10, for the last 2 did you use Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: minendo
USC will lose to Notre Damn so it doesn't matter.

won't lose to UCLA either

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: hdeck
i hate utah stupid mid major playing crappy teams getting a bowl ahead of us. ridiculous

Utah deserves it more than Texas. Texas should have lost to KU. The refs made sure they did not.

 

[pecel]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Either way, it looks like Texas is going to get screwed again.

Don't be like that.
We want to give Texas chance to BCS bowl.
As a Sooner fans We don't want Mack Brown get fired.
We just love him

I think Orange bowl will be USC vs OU.

BOOMER SOONER !

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: pecel

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Either way, it looks like Texas is going to get screwed again.

Don't be like that.
We want to give Texas chance to BCS bowl.
As a Sooner fans We don't want Mack Brown get fired.
We just love him

I think Orange bowl will be USC vs OU.

BOOMER SOONER !

Ok, I had to read that three times to understand what you're trying to say.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
and the hohum ACC was what 5-1 in post season last year? Not to shabby for a sucky conference..

The Pac 10 has USC, Cal and an overacheiving ASU team...that's it, everybody else is average or worse.
The SEC has Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU and Florida, Alabama and South Carolina are usually pretty good as well. I'm sorry but if you put USC in the SEC they would not be undefeated. They are only getting that many votes because they are in a sucky conference. Look what happened to Miami when it came to the ACC. It was not used to having to play good every Saturday to win and got beaten by a lowly UNC team and then by a Clemson team who lost to DUKE a few days ago.


Whoever says the Pac10 is tougher than the SEC should never be allowed to watch football again or be allowed to run with sharp objects...

Toughest Conferences Nitemare style:
SEC top 7 teams have a combined 17-1 out of conference record. Tennessee lost to ND
ACC top 5 teams have a combined 13-1 OOC record. Va Tech lost to USC
Big 12 South top 5 teams have a combined 13-2 OOC record ... A&M lost to Utah & Texas Tech lost to New Mexico
The Pac 10 top 5 teams have a combined 11-3 OOC record
The Big East top 5 teams have a combined 15-6 OOC record
The Big 10 top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record
Conference USA top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record
The Mountain West top 5 teams have a combined 11-9 OOC record
The MAC top 5 teams have a combined 5-10 OOC record
The WAC top 5 teams have a combined 9-5 OOC record

The SEC elite have won 94% of their conference vs conference games
ACC 93%
Big 12 87%
PAC 10 79%
Big East 71%
Big 10, Conference USA and WAC 64%
Mountain West 55%
MAC 33%

Top to Bottom BCS conference OOC rankings
Big 12 28-8 78% (very weird no team in either division has more than one OOC loss)
Big 10 24-9 73% (Bottom 6 have a 15-3 OOC record :confused
ACC 22-8 73%
SEC 25- 10 71%
Pac 10 18-11 62%
Big East 20-12 63%

So in order of drop offs from the elite to other teams
SEC -23%
ACC -20%
Big 12 -9%
PAC 10 -17%
Big East -8%
Big 10 +9%

Stat summary and breakdown:
The SEC and ACC have the toughest top teams but have very weak bottom dwellers. The Big 12 is not that far behind in their top ranks and are pretty decent top to bottom. The Pac 10 is a 2-3 pony conference tops and has a major drop off from there. The Big East has pretty average good teams and there is not that much of a dropoff after that. The Big 10 has below average top teams, but have no real bad teams either...on any given Sunday anyone can lose...*cough* Wisconsin *cough*

Those OOC records look good until you consider who they have played.

SEC top 7: opponents have a 67-76 record and an average ranking of 82
ACC top 5: opponents have a 55-51 record and an average ranking of 70.5
Big 12 South top 5: opponents have a 75-77 record and an average ranking of 63
Pac 10 top 5: opponents have a 79-56 record and an average ranking of 48

Anybody can beat the Citadel and Middle Tennessee State. The SEC played by far the easiest OOC schedule and if they weren't at the top record wise, they'd be in big trouble.

Edit: I should clarify, those are the records of the OOC opponents only.

 

[chuckywang]

Yeah, but how many of those SEC top 7 loses are against other SEC top 7 schools? Ditto with ACC top 5?