AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[Adrenaline]

Ugh, I am getting rather tired of using Blizzard's new Gear Welfare system. :| I lost the plate shoulders off Spine to a Paladin that did 7k, 7k, 4k DPS (Ultraxion, Blackhorn, Spine respectively). You've got to be fucking kidding me!

Vote kick them. On my Druid tank I lost all the leather and vanq tokens to a rogue placing 14th on the damage meters.

 

[Aikouka]

Vote kick them.

I probably would have if I noticed it, but being that low, I would have just assumed he was the tank. I normally look to see how good the people who win the gear are so I can rage appropriately at the "welfare state" of WoW. I usually just grumble to myself if I see some scrub in PVP gear (no gems or enchants) doing 10k less than me and taking the tokens, but this Paladin just took the cake, ate it, and offered me the crumbs.

The group I was in actually had better DPS than most (ignoring that aforementioned Paladin). I believe 1-9 were above 20k, when usually only 1-5 does that much.

 

[zokudu]

I've swapped from my semi wannabe progression guild down to a "we know we casually raid and don't care" guild. Much happier with no pressure or really stringent rules. Though I'm working kmy guild rep back up and they are only a level 10 guild. I'm topping the gexp for the week with 1.5m because I do so many dailies each day .

I've also regemed for Mastery due to the new Druid T13 2p. Dunno if I like it the randoms I've done with the setup either had really bad healers or I take a ton more damage. I was sitting at a much lower average health then I felt I did with my dodge build. I dropped ~3-4% dodge for an additional 50% or so gain on my SD shields which equates to ~17.5% increase in size or so. Now its equal to 72% of my attack power.

It also incidentally makes my bearcat dps really good and when I go cat for the 1 tank fights in DS with this group I'm rocking the top of the meters at ~27k even with 700 dodge reforged on.

 

[Aikouka]

It also incidentally makes my bearcat dps really good and when I go cat for the 1 tank fights in DS with this group I'm rocking the top of the meters at ~27k even with 700 dodge reforged on.

And now we know why they're giving Druids four specializations.

 

[railven]

I probably would have if I noticed it, but being that low, I would have just assumed he was the tank. I normally look to see how good the people who win the gear are so I can rage appropriately at the "welfare state" of WoW. I usually just grumble to myself if I see some scrub in PVP gear (no gems or enchants) doing 10k less than me and taking the tokens, but this Paladin just took the cake, ate it, and offered me the crumbs.

The group I was in actually had better DPS than most (ignoring that aforementioned Paladin). I believe 1-9 were above 20k, when usually only 1-5 does that much.

Woah woah as a Prot Pally tank I hang with the DPS! I usually average 20-22k single target and any fight that have AoE I can sport 30-35K easy.

But I highly agree with you on the welfare system. Had another tank bitch me out in private because he couldn't hold aggro off me. First boss of second LFR and he dies to each Light (whatever its called.) So after we used up all our BRs on him I single tank and we wipe @2%. So, clearly he doesn't know what to do. I explained it and after he died to the first Light again I just took over.

Then on Gunship 2.0 he's accusing me of taunting off him. Not my fault I know how to play my class. You want high threat as a prot Pally on your first hit -> Divine Please > Judgement > Proc Buff > ShieldotR > 120K+ Crit on second hit. "When my threat goes from 250% to 0% I know you're taunting off me."

Sure thing buddy, because I spend my valuable taunts/GCDs taunting off a tank (my partner if you would.)

EDIT: Rant since I'm thinking about it now - why are some tanks so annoying? If two mobs are up, and one tank picks one up and has established threat - WHY WOULD YOU TAUNT OFF THEM? Pick up the other mob. I hate going into LFR and picking up one of the two valkyr in Gunship only to have the other mildly retarded tank taunt off me while a healer in the back is getting mauled. ARGGG!!!

 

[Aikouka]

Woah woah as a Prot Pally tank I hang with the DPS! I usually average 20-22k single target and any fight that have AoE I can sport 30-35K easy.

Yes, but the reason you hang with the DPS is because of Vengeance giving you a ridonkulous amount of AP!

I've actually had to teach AoE "DPS" to a few Protadins that I've run across. Most of them don't even like to use Inquisition. D:

But I highly agree with you on the welfare system. Had another tank bitch me out in private because he couldn't hold aggro off me. First boss of second LFR and he dies to each Light (whatever its called.) So after we used up all our BRs on him I single tank and we wipe @2%. So, clearly he doesn't know what to do. I explained it and after he died to the first Light again I just took over.

In tank swap scenarios, I usually have problems with other tanks taking threat (this was before the threat buff). The problem that I run into is that they don't stop going full bore on threat, and I have very little vengeance stacked up. Usually when I'm not actively tanking, all I is try to get 3 Holy Power ready for the transition (and possibly Sacred Defender, but it doesn't last long now).

EDIT: Rant since I'm thinking about it now - why are some tanks so annoying? If two mobs are up, and one tank picks one up and has established threat - WHY WOULD YOU TAUNT OFF THEM? Pick up the other mob. I hate going into LFR and picking up one of the two valkyr in Gunship only to have the other mildly retarded tank taunt off me while a healer in the back is getting mauled. ARGGG!!!

I have a feeling that some people are weird and just play in first person view.

I usually have a problem with what I call "Rambo tanks". These are the tanks that will almost always try and pull everything onto them, and if you have a mob on you (as the other tank of course), they will taunt it. :|

 

[Adrenaline]

I have two tanks now, a Warrior and a Druid. My Warrior was kicked from a LFR due to the other tank, a Prot Paladin, wanting to tell me what to do at every turn and he could not generate more threat than me. He was just bad and annoying, so him and his guildies that were in there kicked me on Madness last week.

My Druid was tanking LFR this past week and a Warrior just could not keep up. It was so bad that he hit me with Vigilance to taunt EVERYTHING off of me, even the trash for some stupid reason.

Tanks, for some reason half of them have a superiority complex.

 

[Aikouka]

There is a really crazy kick mentality in LFR. The tank didn't bring Morchok back to the center each time, and we ended up pulling adds. One person got their panties in a bunch, and was calling for the tank to get kicked. Sigh, I just told the guy to relax for once. :|

 

[Adrenaline]

I had a tank kicked because he was afk for 10 minutes when I was the other tank. Someone wanted to kick me as well because we wiped and I was like "Why? I am doing what I am supposed to do and the other tank is afk.". A Warlock spoke up for me and the other tank was kicked.

I had a DK want to kick a Mage because the Mage won the gloves, legs, and random helm drop. So, I pulled Hagara and the Mage won the shoulders. The Mage was like 6th on the dps charts. If he was 15th or so I could have seen it, but just because he was losing rolls, forget that.

 

[Redshirt 24]

Probably a stupid question, but it comes after my logging into WoW for the first time in about five months: since my pally is almost certainly not geared enough for LFR, should I (re)start doing Heroics or grinding for valor gear?

 

[Aikouka]

Probably a stupid question, but it comes after my logging into WoW for the first time in about five months: since my pally is almost certainly not geared enough for LFR, should I (re)start doing Heroics or grinding for valor gear?

You can always do the newer heroics, which provide 378 gear, and also get valor points by doing that. I think you need an ilevel of 374 to get into LFR.

As a note, the new raid does not have neck, cloak or non-weapon ranged (relic, etc.) drops. So, chances are you will want to spend valor on these first.

 

[Adrenaline]

You can always do the newer heroics, which provide 378 gear, and also get valor points by doing that. I think you need an ilevel of 374 to get into LFR.

As a note, the new raid does not have neck, cloak or non-weapon ranged (relic, etc.) drops. So, chances are you will want to spend valor on these first.

353 for new heroics

372 for LFR

 

[polarmystery]

Free week for inacts:

http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/landing/p43/en-us/index.html

I bit and signed up for the free week after almost a year of inactivity. Today being the second day, and I already got bored with it. *sigh* I wish it was like the old days...

/old man reminiscent

Needless to say, I uninstalled it and haven't looked back. Let's hope Titan is better.

 

[randomrogue]

The free week is useful for me since I have like 300,000 in gold plus tons of items to sell and it's probably worth giving it to my guild rather than letting it rot on my inactive toon.

 

[zokudu]

The free week is useful for me since I have like 300,000 in gold plus tons of items to sell and it's probably worth giving it to my guild rather than letting it rot on my inactive toon.

Can I have your stuff?

EDIT: Worse LFR experience ever.

So it was on Spine of Deathwing. I'm on bloods other tank in on amalg. First plate amalgamation down to 12% just as he superheats and the other tank up and dies. I try and pick up the amalg but he hits 0% too far away from the plate forcing us to kill a second corruption. We brez and he dies again but I get the amalg close enough this time to open the plate. Second plate is going fine until the same thing happened again. I pick it up we blow up the plate but we're out of brez'. I'm doing bloods and the amalg on the third one and we miss a kill on the tendon because of low dps. Ugh took like 30 minutes to kill that fight.

 

[Axonn]

What's LFR? Can't find it in the WoWWiki.

What's the "welfare system" you've been talking about?

 

[railven]

Yes, but the reason you hang with the DPS is because of Vengeance giving you a ridonkulous amount of AP!

Hey, I never said I didn't get a little help

I've actually had to teach AoE "DPS" to a few Protadins that I've run across. Most of them don't even like to use Inquisition.

Exactly - it's as if some tanks just don't get it. I can go into Dungeon Finder with my Shaman or Hunter and come across tanks that are baffled. I'd Misdirect with my hunter and the moment that wears off I'd rip aggro.

Blizzard essentially made Tanking stupid proof and yet...I dunno.

In tank swap scenarios, I usually have problems with other tanks taking threat (this was before the threat buff). The problem that I run into is that they don't stop going full bore on threat, and I have very little vengeance stacked up. Usually when I'm not actively tanking, all I is try to get 3 Holy Power ready for the transition (and possibly Sacred Defender, but it doesn't last long now).

I had to teach my newest Off-Tank how exactly Vengeance works because of this exact example you went over. If I let him pick up first, on the taunt swap it would become a power struggle trying to to stay as the active tank. Eventually I benched him and told him if he doesn't get it soon he'll be out of the raid spot. Eventually something caught on as he realized "oh you're right, I got like 50k AP hurr hurr."

Usually when I pick up on the swap I'd just CS to build up HP - once I drop to around 80% threat I go balls to the wall. Tank DPS now is decent (thank you Vengeance).

I usually have a problem with what I call "Rambo tanks". These are the tanks that will almost always try and pull everything onto them, and if you have a mob on you (as the other tank of course), they will taunt it.

I've ran into these tanks. As a tank my goal is to keep aggro - but I won't taunt off another tank and if I do (example we he taunts a mob on a healer/dps fraction a second before me I'd apologize and say "my fault, didn't mean to taunt off you.") My solution for these "Rambo tanks" is let em die. Haha. If they survive pat the healers on the back, 90% of the time I watch em die. 50% of the time "Where was the other tank at?" would be a follow up respond and I'd trollishly say "doing your job." haha.

 

[Aikouka]

Exactly - it's as if some tanks just don't get it. I can go into Dungeon Finder with my Shaman or Hunter and come across tanks that are baffled. I'd Misdirect with my hunter and the moment that wears off I'd rip aggro.

Blizzard essentially made Tanking stupid proof and yet...I dunno.

After healing, DPSing (melee and ranged) and tanking raids, I'd say that tanking and healing are by far the more stressful jobs and tanking can be annoying as there tends to be only one or two points of failure (given there are only one or two tanks). Tanking, especially in 5-mans, tends to require a bit more awareness than anything else.

Usually when I pick up on the swap I'd just CS to build up HP - once I drop to around 80% threat I go balls to the wall. Tank DPS now is decent (thank you Vengeance).

Doesn't Vengeance fade after 10 seconds (or is it 5?)? The only class that can keep a stack up is a Warrior and that's with Vigilance.

What's LFR? Can't find it in the WoWWiki.

LFR is an abbreviation for Looking For Raid or what's commonly called the Raid Finder. Here's the article on Wowpedia (this is considered the new "de facto" WoW encyclopedia since Wikia went really restrictive over the control of wikis on their site) article:

http://www.wowpedia.org/Raid_Finder

What's the "welfare system" you've been talking about?

I was referring to the Raid Finder. The problem with any of Blizzard's automatic group creation tools is that while they have gear restrictions, there are ways to "game the system." For example, all PVP gear has a stat on it called Resilience, which does nothing in PVE. Resilience cannot be reforged and takes the place of another secondary stat (haste, crit, hit, mastery, etc.), which makes these pieces inherently worse than a piece of PVE gear with the same ilevel. The problem is that the PVP gear counts toward your ilevel with no restrictions.

So, you can see people with pretty awful gear in LFR that got in using gear that they aren't using (PVE gear, non-spec gear, etc.) It's also common to see people without gems or enchants on their gear, and their DPS shows it. I typically do about 24-27k DPS on my characters depending on the fight, and it makes me cringe when I see people winning gear that do 14-16k DPS. If the raid was comprised entirely of these poor performing people, they never would defeat the bosses. This means they're essentially only getting gear because decent performing people are carrying them.

 

[Adrenaline]

I finally got some gear on my tanking Druid:

Obtained Belt of Flayed Skin. 46 minutes ago
Obtained Underdweller's Spaulders. 58 minutes ago
Obtained Ripfang Relic. 1 hour ago
Obtained Deep Earth Headpiece. 1 hour ago (my GM came with me, his Mage won this which he already had and gave to me)
Obtained Deep Earth Raiment. 1 hour ago
Obtained Kiril, Fury of Beasts. 1 hour ago (Other feral had it, rolled for me just in case another druid tried to. Boomkin got the +100 on the trinket which I gave to this Druid)
Earned the achievement Stood in the Fire for 10 points. 1 hour ago (bad healing on Madness)
Obtained Molten Blood Footpads. 2 hours ago (2 dropped, won one)
Obtained Wrath of Unchaining. 2 hours ago (2 dropped, won both gave to the other feral druid)

 

[Aikouka]

Speaking of gear, I'm in an interesting gear predicament on my Rogue. Here are my thoughts on trying to win gear...

1. I'm technically a substitute, so I really should avoid taking gear if it's needed by a main raider.
2. I need gear to be a proper substitute.

#1 and #2 tend to directly conflict with each other, and this happened to me on my Shaman in Firelands as well. My Shaman didn't even have a 378 ilevel (FL non-heroic ilevel) when I would sub in for heroics. Given my guildmates had between 385 and 390, I tended to fare a bit worse than them in performance. Ultimately, this makes me feel like a waste of a raid spot.

Tonight, I rolled on the T13 legs regardless of any other roll selections that I saw and won them. The vanquisher chestpiece dropped off of Ultraxion, and to not be a loot whore and follow #1, I passed on them to a Druid that had T12 heroic (ilevel 391).

I've been told that I should just ignore trying to be a "team player" and think about my own characters. :|

 

[Axonn]

Aikouka: thanks. Damn, so many terms / so much literature, so little time ::- D. It's quite discouraging for a noob in WoW like me. Even if I'm a very experienced gamer, this doesn't help much.

 

[KidNiki1]

i just wanted to say i got lumpy on christmas. for once the RNG gods smiled on me.

also, idk why, but the holiday sweater cracks me up every time i put it on.

all the raid talk brings mixed feelings. im not really playing to raid anymore, and i certainly dont miss the headaches of gear whoring and griping and people being unprepared, but i do miss the actual raiding. /wistful sigh

 

[zokudu]

i just wanted to say i got lumpy on christmas. for once the RNG gods smiled on me.

also, idk why, but the holiday sweater cracks me up every time i put it on.

all the raid talk brings mixed feelings. im not really playing to raid anymore, and i certainly dont miss the headaches of gear whoring and griping and people being unprepared, but i do miss the actual raiding. /wistful sigh

This is where I am at to be honest. I've swapped down to a very casual guild. I really feel like theres tons of content for me to do still. I do my LFR I run through 25 dailies random BGs casual arenas. I feel like there is a lot of stuff to fill my time.

 

[Aikouka]

This is where I am at to be honest. I've swapped down to a very casual guild. I really feel like theres tons of content for me to do still. I do my LFR I run through 25 dailies random BGs casual arenas. I feel like there is a lot of stuff to fill my time.

Eh, the thought of doing more new heroics is just boring me at this point. I mean, it's a nice idea to keep gaining valor even if you don't need it, because then can you buy the BoE items (for selling or alts), but ugh... I really don't want to run them anymore. :|

It's not terribly surprising. The Enthralled-Bored cycle for the game is pretty common for me, although I seem to be only staying in the "enthralled state" for a much shorter time anymore.

 

[Slammy1]

So I was kinda considering playing again, quit right before Cataclysm. I have 3 level 80s (DK Tank, Shammy Healer, Warlock); how are they doing class-wise? I remember my lock got kinda tedious to play, my shammy was kinda weak compared to other healers (fine in dungeons, a little weak in raids), and my DK was lol run as frost dps due to aggro problems (I think they fixed it in Cat, but it was terrible right before it).