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Aikouka

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So I was kinda considering playing again, quit right before Cataclysm. I have 3 level 80s (DK Tank, Shammy Healer, Warlock); how are they doing class-wise? I remember my lock got kinda tedious to play, my shammy was kinda weak compared to other healers (fine in dungeons, a little weak in raids), and my DK was lol run as frost dps due to aggro problems (I think they fixed it in Cat, but it was terrible right before it).

I mostly play my Death Knight as Frost and my Shaman as Enhancement, but I think I have a moderate grasp on it all.

Shaman healing isn't too bad right now, but the biggest complaint is in their cooldown department. Blizzard gave them a new cooldown totem called "Spirit Link Totem", which is kind of like that ability that Blizzard teased Resto with awhile ago, and then took away. What it does is effectively link the health pools of everyone in a 10 yard (?) radius. The biggest complaint (obviously) is that it has a limited effective range, which means it is fairly weak when players need to be spread out. However, it is pretty effective when players need to be clumped up for AoE healing. Shamans did recently gain a talent change ( Ancestral Healing ) that allows them to essentially grant a +10% health buff to a target (given they heal the target enough). This buff stacks with the static +Stamina buff (Power Word: Fortitude, Commanding Shout, Blood Pact)

I don't really have a problem with aggro on my Frost Death Knight, but it's going to depend a lot on your tank. However, Frost's largest problem was with their Rime procs causing a metric crap ton of AoE damage, and I think most classes have a decent amount of AoE capabilities now. I know that I used to have a somewhat hard time on my Paladin, because my only mass AoE ability was Consecration (Hammer of the Righteous was limited to 1+3 targets). Death Knight tanking isn't too bad, but it does require the person to be aware of the right time to use Death Strike (it restores health based on how much damage you've taken), and hell... I've even used it during raids as Frost after I took a massive amount of damage.
 

Harabec

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I know some people liked "complicated" but the changes to my warlock (mostly destro spec) killed all the fun. There was nothing wrong with just throwing flames all over and being a tad less simple than arcane mages, IMO.
The addition of Improved Soul Fire (blech!) along with keeping corruption/bane up just made the spec tedious.

Many specs were changed like that - Druid's Balance, or Paladin in general needing extra attention to holy power.

Depends on how involved you like to be. I like to keep things relatively simple.
 

flexy

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Me and wife used to be extreme WoW players, thanks to my work which doesn't require me to leave my house.

Wife has 85 in each class, guildmaster etc..etc...i have two 85. My main is a lock. We spent the majority of our "life" on WoW in the past. (Yes, call us crazy).

Anyway...the LAST time i had really fun playing was LAST YEAR, exactly the time when cata came out this time last year. I didnt like cata in the beginning, but then discovered it was not THAT bad as thought, furthermore i made a SH*TLOAD of money farming whiptail.

I have to say, we are BOTH burnt out for various reasons.

On my wife's side i think it's more personal stuff with aholes in guild in raiding etc... and she didnt want to deal with all that stuff anymore...and on my side it's more a frustration with PvP...eg. Allies on my server are just idiots...2s are a fricking joke etc..etc..

So..now to make things even worse, we two are "older" and we simply cannot for the life of it get excited about that upcoming expansion with the Pandas. To be honest, i think this is the death of wow...at least for people older than 20..WTF Pandas?

You might disagree....and MAYBE there is a time when we have our "wow phase" again and play again...but right now we are looking at other games because we miss new and fun stuff..and not only frustration with raiding, DPS and complaining about the same flaws for years already like class imbalances etc..etc.. It's just getting old and blizz hasnt really addressed many of those issues. And i dont think (AT ALL!) that the upcoming Mists of Pandaren will give Wow the needed boost...although i hope....sigh.
 
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railven

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After healing, DPSing (melee and ranged) and tanking raids, I'd say that tanking and healing are by far the more stressful jobs and tanking can be annoying as there tends to be only one or two points of failure (given there are only one or two tanks). Tanking, especially in 5-mans, tends to require a bit more awareness than anything else.
I'd have to agree about tanking being stressful at the start. You don't exactly know what to do, and as a tank you sort of set the pace/control of the situation. Your mistakes can cause a wipe faster than any one elses. I hated tanking the new instances at the launch of Cata because I wasn't accustom to the CC mechanics. I started tanking during WOTLK - which from what I'm told was just AoE everything.

Add in the new healing mechanics and suddenly pulling more than 3 mobs was fatal haha. Healing to me has been the most boring. The only excitement I get from healing is dodging Raid Leader aggro. Basically, the one time I went hardcore raider - my RL was a nut case who'd yell about anything. I'd love the "healers why did I just die" remarks.

DPSing to me is rather mindless. I personally don't get how some players struggle to perform good as a DPS.
Doesn't Vengeance fade after 10 seconds (or is it 5?)? The only class that can keep a stack up is a Warrior and that's with Vigilance.
Most fights the swap isn't that long (well I guess depending on your tanks and their avoidance.) It's usually on the first swap that I hold back just to let the other tank get aggro. After that - I want to make my DPS count for something. I'd usually pul 17K+ on as a tank on single targets. I remember in WOTLK when breaking 5K as a tank was considered impressive haha.

Speaking of gear, I'm in an interesting gear predicament on my Rogue. Here are my thoughts on trying to win gear...


I'm technically a substitute, so I really should avoid taking gear if it's needed by a main raider.
I need gear to be a proper substitute.
#1 and #2 tend to directly conflict with each other, and this happened to me on my Shaman in Firelands as well. My Shaman didn't even have a 378 ilevel (FL non-heroic ilevel) when I would sub in for heroics. Given my guildmates had between 385 and 390, I tended to fare a bit worse than them in performance. Ultimately, this makes me feel like a waste of a raid spot.

Tonight, I rolled on the T13 legs regardless of any other roll selections that I saw and won them. The vanquisher chestpiece dropped off of Ultraxion, and to not be a loot whore and follow #1, I passed on them to a Druid that had T12 heroic (ilevel 391).

I've been told that I should just ignore trying to be a "team player" and think about my own characters.
I'd say personally that falls on the Guild Master/Raid Leaders. The player should initially only be interested in their own progression as it is what will make them a addition to a team. Depending on your RLs and GMs, you might get overlooked because your not performing even say another person in the guild PUGs and thus has better gear. Of course, that shouldn't be the only metric a person's worth should be measured in.

I RL and an CO-GM in my guild. We have a rule set in place to NOT gear up alts. However, last night I veto'd the rule since we had one of our usual players come in on her healer. It was either she comes and heal or we don't raid (since on our server - PUGs are almost always a handicap haha.) So I gave her the token. The person she rolled against was a main who already had the Raid Finder version so I didn't see it as a huge loss.

However, we also had another non-regular and I didn't let him take the item he wanted because that was his first time with us in over 3-4 months. It wouldn't have been fair to the person who'd have lost.

Whatever your GMs/RLs decided you should stick to. And if you make yourself better - you might snag a permanent position.

This is where I am at to be honest. I've swapped down to a very casual guild. I really feel like theres tons of content for me to do still. I do my LFR I run through 25 dailies random BGs casual arenas. I feel like there is a lot of stuff to fill my time.
I've always had those up and downs of interest. My GF has them more often then me. I'd often just switch my focus. For example - this time around I put more focus on my Hunter. It has made me tolerate the instances/raids in hopes of securing better gear. During 4.2 my focus was on my Paladin Tank. During 4.0 I focused hard on my resto shaman.

With SW:TOR out now - I see myself only showing up for scheduled raids and scheduled events. I got my hunter to a happy place and I can do without having to VP cap on all three of my toons. Frankly the VP gear isn't even that good (in my opinion.)

Me and wife used to be extreme WoW players, thanks to my work which doesn't require me to leave my house.

Wife has 85 in each class, guildmaster etc..etc...i have two 85. My main is a lock. We spent the majority of our "life" on WoW in the past. (Yes, call us crazy).

Anyway...the LAST time i had really fun playing was LAST YEAR, exactly the time when cata came out this time last year. I didnt like cata in the beginning, but then discovered it was not THAT bad as thought, furthermore i made a SH*TLOAD of money farming whiptail.

I have to say, we are BOTH burnt out for various reasons.

On my wife's side i think it's more personal stuff with aholes in guild in raiding etc... and she didnt want to deal with all that stuff anymore...and on my side it's more a frustration with PvP...eg. Allies on my server are just idiots...2s are a fricking joke etc..etc..

So..now to make things even worse, we two are "older" and we simply cannot for the life of it get excited about that upcoming expansion with the Pandas. To be honest, i think this is the death of wow...at least for people older than 20..WTF Pandas?

You might disagree....and MAYBE there is a time when we have our "wow phase" again and play again...but right now we are looking at other games because we miss new and fun stuff..and not only frustration with raiding, DPS and complaining about the same flaws for years already like class imbalances etc..etc.. It's just getting old and blizz hasnt really addressed many of those issues. And i dont think (AT ALL!) that the upcoming Mists of Pandaren will give Wow the needed boost...although i hope....sigh.
It's amazing that my GF and I were in that same situation. She's the official GM of our Guild. We recently had a similar issue with people feeling entitled. She's more of a cold person while I'm more of the opposite.

To cater to an increase of new members (friends of friends) I switched over to 25man raiding. We pugged the holes and went on our way. Eventually the new people had issues with how we ran things. This lead to a lot of conflict which caused my GF to stress out. There were times she wanted to quit and shut down the guild.

As the PR person of the guild I basically had to resolve the issues. The result was - a lot of the people complaining left and found guilds that had more restrictions, more aggressive behaviors, and in the end didn't meet their desires and they wanted to come back. I, being the nice guy, let them back - but they lost all their previous status and thus bickered more. THis time I turned a deaf ear and slowly they left again on their own.

One of my longest running members (on and off member that is) pushed for us to switch to 25man. When I finally had enough members to sustain a roster I did so. A few weeks in he isn't happy with our progression (6/7 in 2 weeks - and he isn't happy?) so he put an ultimatum on the table. The guild voted against him, and he left wishing to find a better progressive 25man. Last I heard he started his own guild and is a 10man focused guild. Being a long time friend of his I healed on one of their runs (due to lack of roster) and was pretty much blown away buy the hypocriscy as this once elistist member of my guild turned GM/RL. He gave me hell because we had "under performers" in our 25man runs. And here I am sitting in his run with a healer who is doing 10-11K HPS in Dragon Soul. The other pugged healer and I basically carried their guild healer through. Now if it were in my guild and we had this situation I'd be receiving whispers about "kick him, he sucks" and what not.

SOrry to go on a long rant. But I feel for your wife and yourself. Keep it strong, whether you guys wish to leave - don't let jack-holes be the cause. Root them out. Fortify your loyal members, and play to have fun not reach some goal set by someone else who only cares about their iscore.
 

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I loved the healer talk:
Hunter not using Misdirect, Pet on Growl: You know, you're supposed to heal the dps too.
Me: Sorry, can't heal you through a 1-shot.

When I got better I could, I remember running some heroic and healing a cloth tank while waiting for a replacement tank (funny how you can heal cloth but sometimes can't heal plate, but the tank decided to run in dps form and run away from me, but made it through 2 bosses with clothie and waited on the last for a tank).

When I'd tank I'd get the "Why didn't you taunt?" question, though at the end of WoW DK tanking became kinda lame. No aggro at all. I always found people polite, even when I had a bad night as a tank. I dunno, there were probably phases where you'd get the DK tank knee jerk drop.

Lock was probably my main, I too hated the soul fire mechanic. Then you couldn't run affliction even in PvP. I think when I lost lock PvP I lost interest. Maybe I'll try SWTOR first, I got excited reading about LFR (I'm on a low progression Wrath server), but I guess rejoining is just a decision.
 

Anubis

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I know some people liked "complicated" but the changes to my warlock (mostly destro spec) killed all the fun. There was nothing wrong with just throwing flames all over and being a tad less simple than arcane mages, IMO.
The addition of Improved Soul Fire (blech!) along with keeping corruption/bane up just made the spec tedious.

Many specs were changed like that - Druid's Balance, or Paladin in general needing extra attention to holy power.

Depends on how involved you like to be. I like to keep things relatively simple.

what did they change? (i quit playing last spring) destro was already clunky and annoying then
 

Adrenaline

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what did they change? (i quit playing last spring) destro was already clunky and annoying then

Destro was clunky and annoying but did fine in tier 11. Once tier 12 hit, it went to total crap dps wise along Improved Soul Fire becoming the worst talent a Warlock is required to keep up by hardcasting a spell that takes forever. Tier 13 is no better unless you get the higher end gear and the rotation just does not even feel comfortable.

My main is a Warlock and it is Demonology. I am not a fan of the Demo spec.
 

rh71

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so has anyone ventured to SWTOR and find it not as fun and came back to WoW? Probably not yet - they released at a good time - when WoW is in a lull waiting for expansion again...

Does SWTOR have staying power? Many have tried...
 

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so has anyone ventured to SWTOR and find it not as fun and came back to WoW? Probably not yet - they released at a good time - when WoW is in a lull waiting for expansion again...

Does SWTOR have staying power? Many have tried...
I'm having fun in SW:TOR, but I can't help feeling like it's fundamentally a single-player game.

once/if I complete the class quests on a character or two, I'll probably cancel my sub and return to WoW
 

Dulanic

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I'm having fun in SW:TOR, but I can't help feeling like it's fundamentally a single-player game.

once/if I complete the class quests on a character or two, I'll probably cancel my sub and return to WoW

I quit wow for the first time in 7 years. So far I am having a blast in swtor. I personally don't see myself going back unless the end game is total fail.
 

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TOR has plenty of content at 50. Dailies, a world pvp hub, regular pvp, tradeskills, maybe ten(?) dungeons, and two(?) raids. That's pretty good for launch.

Oh, and they're adding another dungeon and raid this month I believe.
 

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I love the new LFR system, usually about a 15 min wait to be in a 25 man raid and then when we don't 1 shot it hearing all the experts complain is priceless lol, the kick system can be annoying though. I was on my tank and got kicked after trash so the other tank didn't have to roll against me, the usual kid stuff.
 

cronos

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I'm actually really tempted to reactivate for just a month to hunt some transmog gear for my toons. Last time I had a subscription was a year ago (January 2011), but I grabbed the 7-day free reactivation a couple of weeks ago and ended up only leveling my priest from 70-75 in maybe 3 play sessions and didn't login to my 85s (I have 3) at all.
 

DooKey

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Yeah, I logon on Saturdays to do our DS raid and then rarely logon after that and I have 6 85s. Just not that interested anymore.
 

Aikouka

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Yeah, I logon on Saturdays to do our DS raid and then rarely logon after that and I have 6 85s. Just not that interested anymore.

I guess an interesting question would be... what would make you interested? It seems like we're both in the same boat, and I don't even know how to answer the question. I've always had the sort of wax and wane approach to my interest in WoW, but I don't think I've ever had it wane so quickly before.

I don't think it's an issue with the upcoming Pandaville, because I actually like some of the changes. Blizzard recently commented on the success of LFR, but in some ways it feels even more like a worthless, mindless grind that's made even worse when some player with a poor performance wins the gear over you.

I might actually level my second Paladin from 70 to 85. I think I have only 3-4 more toons after that to go from 80 to 85, and I'm done.
 

fastamdman

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Sounds like you guys need to get into competitive arena. Not the oh I wanna do arena for my cap BS that most do. I am talking 2k+ rating, pushing for tier 2 weapons, getting gladiator etc. That will keep a lot of people busy :)
 

Aikouka

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Sounds like you guys need to get into competitive arena. Not the oh I wanna do arena for my cap BS that most do. I am talking 2k+ rating, pushing for tier 2 weapons, getting gladiator etc. That will keep a lot of people busy :)

I think Arena is more fun when you have someone to play with that you enjoy playing with. I don't really play WoW with anyone (which is probably part of the problem), so I don't know how well that would work for me. :(
 

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I guess an interesting question would be... what would make you interested? It seems like we're both in the same boat, and I don't even know how to answer the question. I've always had the sort of wax and wane approach to my interest in WoW, but I don't think I've ever had it wane so quickly before.

I don't think it's an issue with the upcoming Pandaville, because I actually like some of the changes. Blizzard recently commented on the success of LFR, but in some ways it feels even more like a worthless, mindless grind that's made even worse when some player with a poor performance wins the gear over you.

I might actually level my second Paladin from 70 to 85. I think I have only 3-4 more toons after that to go from 80 to 85, and I'm done.

Its really weird... during BC I raided Kara through the entire expansion and a but of gruuls, but looked forward to logging in every weekend regardless. Now there's this orgy of content and I can't even get myself to launch the game.

Ive had some great times on this game over the years but it just doesnt hold my interest much anymore. Which kinda sucks. I really hope a game with the WoW (Wotlk style) atmosphere comes out in the near future.
 

Anteaus

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Ive had some great times on this game over the years but it just doesnt hold my interest much anymore. Which kinda sucks. I really hope a game with the WoW (Wotlk style) atmosphere comes out in the near future.

Yes this is what happened for me also. I loved the WOTLK and I did enjoy all the new lowbie content in Cata, but personally I found the 80-85 content to be a drag. Not that the zones weren't pretty or the story lines bad but for the me the heavy phasing and disjointed zones turned me off. Instead of feeling cohesive, everything felt disconnected. The Worg/Goblin areas were phased so you didn't have the option of leveling somewhere else from 1 as you could with every other race (exception being DK). I never thought I would say this but the focus on vertical movement actually irritated me. I like the flying mounts as a method of getting from place to place, but there is a definite tradeoff in immersion. In some ways I think flying mounts are doing more harm to the game than anything else, but thats just an opinion. I'm sure it isn't shared by many.

:p Anyways, I'm optimistic for Panda.
 

lupi

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Worried about dropping subscription numbers and d3 delay going into financial forecast, no worries...just recoup some funds by canceling blizzcon!
 
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