At least five dead in shooting at PA Amish school

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: keeleysam
Daayyyyyyamn, what is up with all these school shootings?

Someone put forth a theory. Its a stretch, but then again.....

Many people are leaving cities to get away. They come to Colorado or some other state you choose. They bring their warped libtard beliefs and spoiled kids. Kids go crazy, havent been raised properly and pow. You get a school shooting.

People these days cant raise kids. They just dont know how. We are reaping what we sow, thats all. Its sad yes, but maybe parents need to actually RAISE their kids and quit using some hippie libtard "I'm their friend" logic.

As I said, just a theory put forth from elsewhere. Its a stretch, but then again........

Your position on liberals doesn't help the perception of conservatives as indignant simple people with introverted thinking and beliefs.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Atheus
How bout this? Name one that happened in a modern and civilized country but outside of America. You can't, can you, because they don't happen outside America.

Why is this? Lets do a comparison between countries. Teke two with almost exactly the same culture - the USA and the UK. The USA has 4.08 gun homicides per 100000 people, while the UK has 0.12 per 100000. The difference between the two? The USA has more liberal gun laws. Oh yes - that's what 'liberal' means, not 'evil' as you seem to think, but free. Free to do as you wish. In the USA you are free to have a gun if you wish, and as some people think, free to shoot people with it.

Alternative explainations are welcomed. Preferably ones which do not revolve around your view that society itself has gone to hell in a kind of general way

Canada.

Shall we look at the problems of British yobs and Muslims? Britian is hardly a shining example of personal safety. Sure, they dont have to worry about someone gunning them down, but they have to worry about being knived or beaten with a bat. Crime is crime, to say guns are the problem is ignoring the real issues.

You are so much safer here than in the US. There _are_ weapons around, even guns, especially in London and Manchester - but people don't pull them out with such frequency as they do in the US. And who the hell worries about being beaten with a bat? If someone attacks me with a bat I will throw something at them, or step through the strike and elbow them in the face, but vs a gun I have no chance.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Well, I agree with the fact that guns are not the ones who are at fault, it is the people at fault. However, guns were made for a reason - for protection, for hunting etc. They were made to do bodily harm nonetheless, for the most part. It is like letting the genie out of the bottle. The genie is already out of the bottle and guns are there, so people need guns to combat guns - the cycle continues. More guns are being made.

Same thing with nuclear weapons, once we got them, Russia had to have them and so did China and the rest of the countries. People have the urgency to fight fire with fire. The person creating a fire needs to think twice about the consequences.

Right! So instead of punishing inanimate objects why dont we punish people!

I'd like to see what would happen if there was a law passed at the Federal level stating "If you use a gun in a crime, you serve life in jail". No parole, no good behaviour. You pick up a firearm and commit a crime you spend the rest of your life rotting in a cell.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jdini76

I don't think they hunt. They have Farms and therefore have live stock. And People who are normal don't generaly hunt nowadays. I consider myself normal and I don't hunt.

That's a ridiculous statement. :roll:

I don't hunt.

I hunt. Fish too. I worry about someone who makes such tard statements such as "Normal people dont hunt"........

wow. way to mis quote me when my quote is sitting right there. you are making it sound like i said people who hunt aren't normal. but in fact what I said was totaly different.

its the context of your post.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jdini76

I don't think they hunt. They have Farms and therefore have live stock. And People who are normal don't generaly hunt nowadays. I consider myself normal and I don't hunt.

That's a ridiculous statement. :roll:

I don't hunt.

I hunt. Fish too. I worry about someone who makes such tard statements such as "Normal people dont hunt"........

wow. way to mis quote me when my quote is sitting right there. you are making it sound like i said people who hunt aren't normal. but in fact what I said was totaly different.

I'll eat that one, I misunderstood you.

Comes from being the "crazy white hunter OMG SCARY GUN!" guy that people so often call me.

My bad.

Nuge? Is that you?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Atheus
How bout this? Name one that happened in a modern and civilized country but outside of America. You can't, can you, because they don't happen outside America.

Why is this? Lets do a comparison between countries. Teke two with almost exactly the same culture - the USA and the UK. The USA has 4.08 gun homicides per 100000 people, while the UK has 0.12 per 100000. The difference between the two? The USA has more liberal gun laws. Oh yes - that's what 'liberal' means, not 'evil' as you seem to think, but free. Free to do as you wish. In the USA you are free to have a gun if you wish, and as some people think, free to shoot people with it.

Alternative explainations are welcomed. Preferably ones which do not revolve around your view that society itself has gone to hell in a kind of general way

Canada.

Shall we look at the problems of British yobs and Muslims? Britian is hardly a shining example of personal safety. Sure, they dont have to worry about someone gunning them down, but they have to worry about being knived or beaten with a bat. Crime is crime, to say guns are the problem is ignoring the real issues.

You are so much safer here than in the US. There _are_ weapons around, even guns, especially in London and Manchester - but people don't pull them out with such frequency as they do in the US. And who the hell worries about being beaten with a bat? If someone attacks me with a bat I will throw something at them, or step through the strike and elbow them in the face, but vs a gun I have no chance.

Ah, I see the Britian Brainwashing machine is in full effect.
Well done, you may continue grazing.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jdini76

I don't think they hunt. They have Farms and therefore have live stock. And People who are normal don't generaly hunt nowadays. I consider myself normal and I don't hunt.

That's a ridiculous statement. :roll:

I don't hunt.

How is that rediculous?

And what are you saying when you state you don't hunt?

Definition of Normal: 1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.

IMO the common person doesn't hunt.

I don't know maybe this forum is comprised of mainly hunters. and I am the minority. I would say that 1% of my friends hunt. maybe 2% at most.

That's a very simple opinion based on your small sample. There are huge differences in accepted norms all over the US and in actual land available to hunt. Just because you don't know doesn't mean you have to come on here and make stupid claims. The conservation efforts in this country would be nowhere without hunters.

Are ypou saying I don't have a lot of friends?! J/k

Listen I am going end this debate. it is getting out of hand. Also you are bringing in conservationaist, and implying I have something agains hunting. I don't have anyting against hunters. hunters do what they do and thats fine. Someone said " Amish people hunt like any normal person" I was just commneting that I don't think people normaly hunt nowadays. thats it!

I give up. it can't be won.

Done.

 

[moshquerade]

it's getting to the point where every school is going to have to employ an armed official at its' doors every day it's open.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Atheus
How bout this? Name one that happened in a modern and civilized country but outside of America. You can't, can you, because they don't happen outside America.

Why is this? Lets do a comparison between countries. Teke two with almost exactly the same culture - the USA and the UK. The USA has 4.08 gun homicides per 100000 people, while the UK has 0.12 per 100000. The difference between the two? The USA has more liberal gun laws. Oh yes - that's what 'liberal' means, not 'evil' as you seem to think, but free. Free to do as you wish. In the USA you are free to have a gun if you wish, and as some people think, free to shoot people with it.

Alternative explainations are welcomed. Preferably ones which do not revolve around your view that society itself has gone to hell in a kind of general way

Canada.

Shall we look at the problems of British yobs and Muslims? Britian is hardly a shining example of personal safety. Sure, they dont have to worry about someone gunning them down, but they have to worry about being knived or beaten with a bat. Crime is crime, to say guns are the problem is ignoring the real issues.

You are so much safer here than in the US. There _are_ weapons around, even guns, especially in London and Manchester - but people don't pull them out with such frequency as they do in the US. And who the hell worries about being beaten with a bat? If someone attacks me with a bat I will throw something at them, or step through the strike and elbow them in the face, but vs a gun I have no chance.

Ah, I see the Britian Brainwashing machine is in full effect.
Well done, you may continue grazing.

I argue that you are safer here in the UK due to less guns. Got any actual arguement against that? Or only pointless insults?

 

[OS]

lol, that's really great, most of these shootings are in red states, committed by white men, and someone tries to blame liberals.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's getting to the point where every school is going to have to employ an armed official at its' doors every day it's open.

At least this would be marginally sensible - especially if the official was an actual cop. Much more sensible than giving guns to the teachers as suggested earlier.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
i thought this sentence as interesting: "About three dozen Amish people were standing behind a police line"

why not, about "three dozen spectators", or "three dozen onlookers", or "three dozen friends and family", or "three dozen lancaster residents"........????


=|

probably because it was about 36 amish people.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: OS
lol, that's really great, most of these shootings are in red states, committed by white men, and someone tries to blame liberals.

Nope, just blaming the ideas and beliefs of the Demorat party. It spreads like an infection.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OS
lol, that's really great, most of these shootings are in red states, committed by white men, and someone tries to blame liberals.

Nope, just blaming the ideas and beliefs of the Demorat party. It spreads like an infection.

This thread is about the deaths of 6 or more children. Please take your political discussions elsewhere.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's getting to the point where every school is going to have to employ an armed official at its' doors every day it's open.

At least this would be marginally sensible - especially if the official was an actual cop. Much more sensible than giving guns to the teachers as suggested earlier.

I'm suprised you'd go for that. Hell you dont even trust YOUR police with guns!!

:laugh:

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OS
lol, that's really great, most of these shootings are in red states, committed by white men, and someone tries to blame liberals.

Nope, just blaming the ideas and beliefs of the Demorat party. It spreads like an infection.

Dude, you have some serious issues. How about you work them out somewhere else?Seriously, this is even worse than people who blame Bush for everything.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's getting to the point where every school is going to have to employ an armed official at its' doors every day it's open.

At least this would be marginally sensible - especially if the official was an actual cop. Much more sensible than giving guns to the teachers as suggested earlier.

Not arguing for or against, but school funds are slim as it is. Hiring officers is a lot more expensive than someone paying for a CCW for a few years.

Our local school district (city of 75,000) has its own police department. About 12 officers, 7 or so full time. Have patrol cars, etc. Have jurisdiction anywhere in the city, for any crime, but just stick to school stuff (classes, dances, football games, etc.)

It ain't cheap...cars, equipment, training, etc.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OS
lol, that's really great, most of these shootings are in red states, committed by white men, and someone tries to blame liberals.

Nope, just blaming the ideas and beliefs of the Demorat party. It spreads like an infection.

This thread is about the deaths of 6 or more children. Please take your political discussions elsewhere.

Pot meet kettle

Originally posted by: mugs
Well then, go ahead and post the total homicide rates of the UK and the US since I'm sure that'll prove your point.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jdini76

I don't think they hunt. They have Farms and therefore have live stock. And People who are normal don't generaly hunt nowadays. I consider myself normal and I don't hunt.

That's a ridiculous statement. :roll:

I don't hunt.

How is that rediculous?

And what are you saying when you state you don't hunt?

Definition of Normal: 1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.

IMO the common person doesn't hunt.

I don't know maybe this forum is comprised of mainly hunters. and I am the minority. I would say that 1% of my friends hunt. maybe 2% at most.

That's a very simple opinion based on your small sample. There are huge differences in accepted norms all over the US and in actual land available to hunt. Just because you don't know doesn't mean you have to come on here and make stupid claims. The conservation efforts in this country would be nowhere without hunters.

Are ypou saying I don't have a lot of friends?! J/k

Listen I am going end this debate. it is getting out of hand. Also you are bringing in conservationaist, and implying I have something agains hunting. I don't have anyting against hunters. hunters do what they do and thats fine. Someone said " Amish people hunt like any normal person" I was just commneting that I don't think people normaly hunt nowadays. thats it!

I give up. it can't be won.

Done.

you should have said average person. that would have been the appropriate term for your comment.

 

[z0mb13]

Anyone read the tipping point?

In that book there is an argument about how things like these are contagious

an example the author used was youth suicides in one of the tropical island countries

 

[Turin39789]

remember when mod's moved threads when they derailed completely and became a politico party?

Maybe that's why people shoot people

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's getting to the point where every school is going to have to employ an armed official at its' doors every day it's open.

At least this would be marginally sensible - especially if the official was an actual cop. Much more sensible than giving guns to the teachers as suggested earlier.

I'm suprised you'd go for that. Hell you dont even trust YOUR police with guns!!

:laugh:

There are two types of cops here - the 'nice' cops with only battons and handcuffs. And the 'nasty' cops with sub-machine guns. If you mess with the 'nice' cops you get the 'nasty' cops on your ass.

 

[amish]

look at you dumbasses arguing about politics. get off your fvcking partisan high horses. this could happen anywhere at anytime. this isn't a red vs blue thing.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OS
lol, that's really great, most of these shootings are in red states, committed by white men, and someone tries to blame liberals.

Nope, just blaming the ideas and beliefs of the Demorat party. It spreads like an infection.

This thread is about the deaths of 6 or more children. Please take your political discussions elsewhere.

Pot meet kettle

Originally posted by: mugs
Well then, go ahead and post the total homicide rates of the UK and the US since I'm sure that'll prove your point.

I was hoping that would shut you up, since you'd have to admit that the US has a higher homicide rate. Unfortunately it didn't.

 

[OutHouse]

OP change the title of this thread from "5 dead kids at school" to "Hunting is bad, England and Canada are pussies because they dont allow guns, the US has more gun related homocides than any other country"

WTF!!! you morons need to start your own thread about that crap and learn how to keep your posting on topic. :|