OKAY this thread has turned alot of people crazy. So Lets end the fighting and go to fact :
apoppin got screwed over by Sapphire and he is know on crusade against all of ATI
Bug777 is confused
AMD share not doing good because of idiots at wall streets
looking to drop below $14 soon.
Nvidia very happy : )
Innovation is loosing the war as Nvidia and Intel armies go ever deeper into enemy territory. NVIDIA excepts a decisive victory and Intel isn?t sure of total victory to grantee to them total market share.
Future looks bad for tech world !!
apoppin got screwed over by Sapphire and he is know on crusade against all of ATI
Bug777 is confused
AMD share not doing good because of idiots at wall streets
looking to drop below $14 soon. Nvidia very happy : )
Innovation is loosing the war as Nvidia and Intel armies go ever deeper into enemy territory. NVIDIA excepts a decisive victory and Intel isn?t sure of total victory to grantee to them total market share.
Future looks bad for tech world !!
Paratus
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Originally posted by: tuteja1986
OKAY this thread has turned alot of people crazy. So Lets end the fighting and go to fact :
apoppin got screwed over by Sapphire and he is know on crusade against all of ATI
Bug777 is confused
AMD share not doing good because of idiots at wall streets
Nvidia very happy : )
Innovation is loosing the war as Nvidia and Intel armies go ever deeper into enemy territory. NVIDIA excepts a decisively victory and Intel isnt sure of total victory to grantee to them total market share.
Future looks bad for tech world !!
Sounds like a good time to buy AMD stock.
thanks Keys ... yep, its really obvious the trolls *never accept change*
. . . and they tend to call you what they actually are
strangely ... after years solely with ATi GPUs .. they cannot accept i really like BOTH cards
i guess i was supposed to *hate* the GS
well, i don't
and i still *like* my x1950p ... but it is not *practical* for me at this time ... nor am i 100% confident with Sapphire at this time
---------------------------------------------------
it just looks like ATis' partner's warranties are getting *worse* ... i will "add it in" to my future AMD Graphics card purchase ... 'peanuts' on a new card ... but it makes the partners look *cheap* [they are] by nickel and dimeing their customers on warranty service.
======================================
total BS not "fact" ... i *did not* get screwed over by Sapphire ... my X1950p went the "normal RMA route" ... i still think their RMA policy "scam" stinks --it makes them look really *cheap* ... but that has *nothing* to do with their cards or changed my feelings for ATi whatsoever
as usual ... what's new? - he argues with himself most of the time
100% beside the point ... and unrelated to this topic ... but we already know. AMD is having a streak of bad luck after a couple of years of stasis when they should have gone for intel's throat ... don't blame ME for THEIR stupidity ... and r600 is not "competitive" ... gotta be some sloppy engineering to miss something that *big* at the last hourAMD share not doing good because of idiots at wall streets
Nvidia very happy : )
Innovation is loosing the war as Nvidia and Intel armies go ever deeper into enemy territory. NVIDIA excepts a decisive victory and Intel isn?t sure of total victory to grantee to them total market share.
Future looks bad for tech world !!
don't blame me for their woes ... if i was an investor, i know i'd be getting really nervous to have the CEO tell us that they don't have a competitive product and no date set for one -except "Q2"
:thumbsdown:
i just tell it like i see it ... every case is different
i know it upsets some people . ... of either religion --nvidia or ATi ... and sometimes both 'faiths' simultaneously.
too bad
and yeah, i DO tend to *like* what's in my rig ... after all i picked it ... and IF i am dissatisfied for ANY reason, i reserve the right to replace it with something i am happy with
:laugh:
DeathReborn
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All this bickering is quite pathetic.
I went from a 7800GT SLI to X1800XT CF machine without noticing anything different while PLAYING games (I don't stand there while ppl shoot at me). Using Catalyst 6.6 & FW 91.31 at the time if I recall.
Now my dad has the 7800's & he went from a FX5200, now that was noticeable. Going from the 7800GT's & X1800XT's to 8800GTS SLI wasn't that big a deal either, just much much faster.
Fact of the matter is, game PLAYERS don't pay attention to little details but instead prefer to have fun with their equipment.
Oh and apoppin, as for your 7800GS/X1950pro 3DMark 05 scores, I used to get 7300 (7800GT @ Stock 400/1000) & 8200 (7800GT @ 500/1200) using a A64 3500+. SLi was up in 11k-12k.
At earlier points you could see visible shimmering as it was really bad in some games but in later drivers it was not that visible at all. Fanboys on both sides exaggerated problems, still do.
I went from a 7800GT SLI to X1800XT CF machine without noticing anything different while PLAYING games (I don't stand there while ppl shoot at me). Using Catalyst 6.6 & FW 91.31 at the time if I recall.
Now my dad has the 7800's & he went from a FX5200, now that was noticeable. Going from the 7800GT's & X1800XT's to 8800GTS SLI wasn't that big a deal either, just much much faster.
Fact of the matter is, game PLAYERS don't pay attention to little details but instead prefer to have fun with their equipment.
Oh and apoppin, as for your 7800GS/X1950pro 3DMark 05 scores, I used to get 7300 (7800GT @ Stock 400/1000) & 8200 (7800GT @ 500/1200) using a A64 3500+. SLi was up in 11k-12k.
At earlier points you could see visible shimmering as it was really bad in some games but in later drivers it was not that visible at all. Fanboys on both sides exaggerated problems, still do.
bickering?!? ... i am *defending* myself from attacks of being a *new kind* of fanboy ... an 'elitist' who only like his current card
[ridiculous, i know but it doesn't stop the fanboys for seeing me as a *traitor*]
and it's cool to see you - another gamer - who loves his games more than their HW they play it on
:thumbsup:
i *know* your A64-3500+ can do better than my P4 ... but my scores are well in the *ballpark* for my rig and not that far behind yours [considering].
yeah i can *see* shimmering ... barely ... i also saw it on my x850xt when i was being *critical* ... not a problem *whatsoever* in regular game play. It isn't like "wow .. shimmering, i can't play this crap" ... it doesn't distract at all unless you are looking for it and the NPCs will frag your ass, anyway while you are admiring the scenery.
Seriously - *either card* is welcome in my rig ... i just don't feel like upgrading my PS now - to stick my x1950p back in.
[not knowing what r660 Xfire requirements really are]
and the fanboys will continue to disagree with me ... what's new? calling ME the "new Rollo" ... i think *he* would be very amused
:roll:
Just stating the obvious- don't argue with someone - who would rather get personal and misrepresent facts. Is frustrating and puts one in a bad mood for no reason. As for which is the better card - the agp 7800gs or the agp x1950pro 512mb - I will leave that to reputable reviews.
thanks for the warning about yourself ... you and Dug DO get personal and regularly misrepresent facts ... like now
since you can't even comprehend what i am posting, this is for others
X1950p is - definitely and without ANY question - the faster card but is not necessarily the "better" card ...
... that *depends* on your situation
in my situation, i *prefer* the GS
and if Dug really wants one, i have a brand new agp x1950p for sale ... relatively cheap
[3/5 update] i might get *stuck* with my x1950p ...
the RMA period for my 7800GS OC is coming to an end - this week ... i MUST make a decision as my x1950p is NOT selling in FS/T [even with a free game bundled with it]
Sapphire AGP x1950p/512MB *Brand New* returned-from-RMA factory-sealed - $220 shipped
so ... if i don't sell it, i *will* buy a $200 PS [with the 'credit' i should have at NewEgg] and stick it back in my rig [after testing the x1950p - tomorrow - to make *sure* it is not DoA]
Are there any *comparisons* or *tests* you would like me to run on my 7800GS?
-Power Supply recommendations - for SLI 8800gtx ?
or - *suggestions* ?
the RMA period for my 7800GS OC is coming to an end - this week ... i MUST make a decision as my x1950p is NOT selling in FS/T [even with a free game bundled with it
]Sapphire AGP x1950p/512MB *Brand New* returned-from-RMA factory-sealed - $220 shipped
so ... if i don't sell it, i *will* buy a $200 PS [with the 'credit' i should have at NewEgg] and stick it back in my rig [after testing the x1950p - tomorrow - to make *sure* it is not DoA]
Are there any *comparisons* or *tests* you would like me to run on my 7800GS?
-Power Supply recommendations - for SLI 8800gtx ?
or - *suggestions* ?
Originally posted by: apoppin
[3/5 update] i might get *stuck* with my x1950p ...
the RMA period for my 7800GS OC is coming to an end - this week ... i MUST make a decision as my x1950p is NOT selling in FS/T [even with a free game bundled with it
Sapphire AGP x1950p/512MB *Brand New* returned-from-RMA factory-sealed - $220 shipped
so ... if i don't sell it, i *will* buy a $200 PS [with the 'credit' i should have at NewEgg] and stick it back in my rig [after testing the x1950p - tomorrow - to make *sure* it is not DoA]
Are there any *comparisons* or *tests* you would like me to run on my 7800GS?
-Power Supply recommendations - for SLI 8800gtx ?
or - *suggestions* ?
Why not drop the price 20 bucks? Sure, it might be new and in the package, but very often not having a receipt will make people think twice. I'd say drop it to $200 and see if anything bites. Then save the extra money for an entire system build for when Alan Wake/Crysis comes out. Just my thoughts.
Why not ebay it with a buy now price of $225 + $15 for shipping? I did a quick check of the going prices for completed listings and they are going for $245 with $12 or more in extra shipping tacked on. I'm not sure if yours is a retail or OEM card but you could possibly do better if you throw in a few old games too.
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
i don't like ebay .. the hassle for the 'extra' isn't worth it
as to dropping it $20 further ... i already offered a couple of games with it ...
there is a POINT where you don't want to *give it away* ... any new x1950p/512M is gonna cost $40 more and that "sapphire receipt" for a $15 RMA looks to be pretty much of a hassle anyway . ...
i am going to contact NewEgg tonight and start the 7800GS RMA process ... that way i lose *no money* ... i just get to buy my PS "in advance"
[sigh]
i think i can get a "nice" PS for $200 ... and if R600 xfire really takes 'more' than that - screw them, i'll pick up the 8900s for SLI
i don't mind a GPU from either company in my rig
:thumbsup:
looks like i am going back to ATi
think i am gonna be any "easier" on r600 and AMD's *screw up*?
:roll:
:laugh:
3-7 .... it doesn't look like anyone wants it [after *full disclosure* about Sapphire, i am NOT surprised] ... so i dropped the price to $210 with a game - shipped ... final offer
ANYWAY - NewEgg offered full credit on my 7800GS OC - provided i spend $200 on a Power Supply ... so i will buy it tonight and withdraw my x1950p from FS/T
What bang-for-buck *NewEgg only* PS for ~$200 will run SLI'd 8800GTX and Core2 Duo?
help please
ANYWAY - NewEgg offered full credit on my 7800GS OC - provided i spend $200 on a Power Supply ... so i will buy it tonight and withdraw my x1950p from FS/T
What bang-for-buck *NewEgg only* PS for ~$200 will run SLI'd 8800GTX and Core2 Duo?
help please
Knew it was too good to last
If you want a decent power supply, grab a Thermaltake 600W (for those who like to bash thermaltake, their PSU's above 500W are in a totally different league quality wise to their 400W units - forget what you *think* you know about their quality) If you think you will be using SLi/crossfire when you upgrade, go for the 850W unit.
If you want a decent power supply, grab a Thermaltake 600W (for those who like to bash thermaltake, their PSU's above 500W are in a totally different league quality wise to their 400W units - forget what you *think* you know about their quality) If you think you will be using SLi/crossfire when you upgrade, go for the 850W unit.
You'll need 4 6-pin PCI-E power connectors, right? This one looks like the best in your price range:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817256009
Modular cabling, many 12V rails with high amps, 120mm fan, very good reviews, and sleeved cables. That's the one I'd pick. Well, good luck with your X1950 Pro, apoppin!
EDIT: NewEgg also stocks the Thermaltake PSUs Gstanfor mentioned.
happy medium
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Knew it was too good to last
If you want a decent power supply, grab a Thermaltake 600W (for those who like to bash thermaltake, their PSU's above 500W are in a totally different league quality wise to their 400W units - forget what you *think* you know about their quality) If you think you will be using SLi/crossfire when you upgrade, go for the 850W unit.
of course ... but i have a new *respect* for nvidia GPUs ... and if the Power requirements of r600 are true ... just *forget* AMD ... i *will* go nvidia SLI ... NO way i am having a HOT, power hungry noisy beast with a crap warranty to boot
and i like TT PSes ... even mine was excellent bang for buck - THREE years age ... but i think 600w is a real *minimum*
is even the SilverStone 750w really sufficient for a *loaded* and o/c'd Core2 duo and sli'd GTXes? ... i am guessing the 8900's will not require much more power but will allow +10% for it.
looking for 'stability' and QUIET
$210 before tax/shipping is my *budget* --and i think 800w is more 'realistic'
and it's NewEgg .. all the way ... from now on
it *must be* NewEgg
[that's 'how" i don't get charged 15% restocking]
happy medium
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Check out the rails on this OCZ 850 watt gameXstream. 4--- 20 amp rails
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817341003
It's in your budget too.
Edit : I bet this will run 2- r600's and mabe your dishwasher
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817341003
It's in your budget too.
Edit : I bet this will run 2- r600's and mabe your dishwasher
that's more like it. Probably Quad-core and Sli ... i'd like to be *safe* rather than sorry --for a few bucks.
i like it .... 850w and $215 with a $30 MIR = $185
but it is [relatively] quiet?
:Q
and will it *fit* in my Aspire case?
--i don't want to set it on top the case
:shocked:
happy medium
Lifer
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Originally posted by: apoppin
that's more like it. Probably Quad-core and Sli ... i'd like to be *safe* rather than sorry --for a few bucks.
i like it .... 850w and $215 with a $30 MIR = $185
but it is [relatively] quiet?
:Q
Here is some reviews on the bottom of the home page. Looks like it has a quiet 120mm.
fan. You can use that a reference.:beer:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/p...xstream_power_supply-nvidia_sli_ready_
finally ... my 'edit' was late
will it "fit" in my Aspire case?
i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case)
:Q
will it "fit" in my Aspire case?
i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case
):Q
happy medium
Lifer
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A good noise review....Seems on par with other psu's of this size.
Read this Apop
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardw...eviews/ocz_gamexstream_850w_psu/4.html
Read this Apop
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardw...eviews/ocz_gamexstream_850w_psu/4.html
happy medium
Lifer
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Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late
will it "fit" in my Aspire case?
i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case
:Q
I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.
It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:
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