apoppin re-evaluates nvidia [Formerly nm] ... back to x1950p

[apoppin]

oK
here's the conclusion from one review on the OCz 850w ... they are all pretty similar

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?...ge=1&desc=ocz_gamexstream_850w_atx_psu

Introduction

Just over 2 months ago I was given the opportunity to review OCZ's high-end 700w GameXStream unit. Proving that performance, silence and efficiency could all coexist in a small ATX sized package led to the unit nabbing our "Editors Choice" award. Since then OCZ have been hard at work tweaking the existing design and uprating components to push a further 150w out of the GameXStream's excellent design.

In essence, the 850w GameXStream is visually the same in every way as the 700w unit (externally at least), and for this reason I'd suggest that anybody who has already read our 700w GameXStream review should turn to pages 5, 6 & 7 to avoid a severe case of Déjà Vu. Over these few pages I'll be looking to answer the question:- Is there really such thing as a normal ATX sized, silent, efficient power supply capable of delivering a stable 850w?

[the conclusion]

Conclusion

When talking about power supplies, the general rule of thumb is more power = more noise. This is because in order to combat the extra heat produced by higher wattage power supplies manufacturers need to install more powerful (and noisy) cooling solutions.

However, this rule has been totally disproved by the OCZ GameXStream, which managed to produce a full and stable 850w of power without the noise and heat associated with other high wattage units we've tested in the past. Add to this the fact that the OCZ GameXStream is no bigger than your average ATX power supply along with its excellent efficiency level of over 85% (as tested by our equipment) and it's hard to even consider using another power supply for your high-end future gaming PC.

In recognition of these excellent qualities I need to congratulate OCZ for being the first company in the history of Overclock3D to receive our "Best In Class" award. This award signifies that the OCZ GameXStream 850w PSU is considered by Overclock3D to be the best all-round power supply in the 600w - 900w classification.

The OCZ GameXStream 850w is currently available from Specialtech for the very reasonable price of £115.

Pro's
? Rock stable voltages.
? Ultra-high efficiency.
? Very silent for an 850w PSU.
? Fully sleeved cables.
? 36 month warranty with fast support.
? Internal adjustable potentiometer.
? Standard ATX size (amazing for a unit with this much power).

Con's
? Nothing worth talking about. A first for any PSU here at OC3D!

as to Johnny's *ripple* :wine:
JG's conclusion on the Seasonic: <<"Not to rush anyone through this review, but I don't think ripple needs much comment. It's almost nonexistent!">>

His conclusion on the OCZ : <<"Things were satisfactory until test 3. During test 3, I started to see ripple on 12V1 and 12V2 that was nearly 100mV. By test 5, the ripple was 100mV on 12V3 and 12V4 and had exceeded 100mV on 12V1 and 12V2. By test 6, the ripple on 12V1 and 12V2 had exceeded 150mV.

ATX specification has an "allowance" for 120mV. Mind you, test 6 was very stressful, pushing the power supply to it's limits, but it doesn't change the fact that the ripple exceeded spec and this is the first power supply to date I have had do this."
He also stated: "Fortunately, it is very unlikely any of us will have one of these power supplies at or above 400W, at least for any considerable period of time, but this high ripple measurement will be taken into consideration when calculating the performance score.">>

If you look carefully at the 850w OCZ Review at Overclock3D they also measured ripple and found: <<"Good results from both the +3.3v and +5v rails here. Neither dropped by any significant amount and both remained well within ATX specifications. These results are slightly better than the recently reviewed GameXStream 700w which just goes to show that OCZ have been working on improving the performance of this unit in all areas.">>


that's *why* i picked it --JG's opinion notwithstanding.

yep, you DO get what you pay for ... and i got a midrange PS that is very capable indeed of pushing out 850w.
i don't need rolls royce when bentley will *do*


:laugh:

 

[Reckoner]

850 watts? Holy Mary and Joseph...

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: apoppin
jim1976 ... i already did decide ... in favour of the 850w OCZ ... it is seems stable enough and overkill for most SLI situations currently. The other ones are a bit too pricey for me [from NewEgg]

Yes I didn't notice that

Anyway.. I hope it's fine.. I just don't trust OCZ GamerXstream psus..

Excessive ripple for such a pricey product with mediocre performance across the board.. It's not my opinion.. It's JG's one.. And he's a pro when it comes to psus..

Nm I don't want to spoil it for you..

actually jg rated the ocz psu very highly, other than the single instance of "ripple" you mentioned, which occured in a test he stated is not really indicative of normal usage; in other words, it would be a rare situation.. and he reviewed a 700w unit iirc. the 850w fared better in other reviews.

that being said, that's partly why i went with the corsair unit instead of ocz - plus the 5 year warranty and the great support corsair offers

edit: doh.. should read the next page.. you already answered that

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin

first of all, JG? ... JohnnyGuru ? ... as i remember, he is a *fanatic* when it comes to HW ... only the *best* will do for his exalted tastes ... and it's $240 for the 850w Silverstone [including $50 off] at NewEgg ... i think that $55 is a lot of money for not that much difference


... excessive ripple? mediocre performance? ... link me to it while i can still change it
please

i read about a dozen reviews this afternoon ... some user experience ... and came to a conclusion that OCZ is *decent* ... not extraordinary ... not low level ... but solid midrange
pricey ... NOT

as to *trust* .. they appear to have a decent 3-year warranty with an "exchange"

they also offer 4-12v rails with 18a max each [if i am reading the specs right] ... the 700w is *certified* by nvidia and the 850w expects to be.

it should be more then *enough* for today's Core2 Duo, a completely *loaded* system and sli'd 8800gtxes ...

what more do i want?

Yes JG is Jonny Gury.. And yes he's very strict being an oldskooler, because he knows what he's saying and he's a pro when it comes to psus.. Show me a better one that I can trust except PaulTa..

Well first of all look at this thread in his forums... It's an evaluation of high end psus.. It has some comments in it..

Also look at his comments at this page..
Unfortunately JG hasn't got a review on this particular psu you bought.. At least not official in his site

Now ripple is a bad thing for the psu.. It might eventually prove disastrous in the long run.. And those OCZ Gamextream haven't been tested yet in the long run..Despite that JG stresses psus beyond levels.. That's where a psu show its potential.. Not in the easy tests..There it would do well under a mediocre level.. But you buy a strong psu because you see it as an investment for the future not for the easy stuff
Also remember that those that I recommended you have 70A combined in the 12V line while the OCZ 66A if I'm not mistaken.. Big difference you might say..Ok won't argue here..But as you correctly stated anything today won't be even close to stressing a psu.. So you should be fine , except for the ripple effect that worries me..
I think 20-30 bucks more for a better product is nothing.. But it's just me... Etasis is not well known to the public but it is a strong name in server grade systems.. And both psus I mentioned offer very good price/performance..

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: apoppin

first of all, JG? ... JohnnyGuru ? ... as i remember, he is a *fanatic* when it comes to HW ... only the *best* will do for his exalted tastes ... and it's $240 for the 850w Silverstone [including $50 off] at NewEgg ... i think that $55 is a lot of money for not that much difference


... excessive ripple? mediocre performance? ... link me to it while i can still change it
please

i read about a dozen reviews this afternoon ... some user experience ... and came to a conclusion that OCZ is *decent* ... not extraordinary ... not low level ... but solid midrange
pricey ... NOT

as to *trust* .. they appear to have a decent 3-year warranty with an "exchange"

they also offer 4-12v rails with 18a max each [if i am reading the specs right] ... the 700w is *certified* by nvidia and the 850w expects to be.

it should be more then *enough* for today's Core2 Duo, a completely *loaded* system and sli'd 8800gtxes ...

what more do i want?

Yes JG is Jonny Gury.. And yes he's very strict being an oldskooler, because he knows what he's saying and he's a pro when it comes to psus.. Show me a better one that I can trust except PaulTa..

Well first of all look at this thread in his forums... It's an evaluation of high end psus.. It has some comments in it..

Also look at his comments at this page..
Unfortunately JG hasn't got a review on this particular psu you bought.. At least not official in his site

Now ripple is a bad thing for the psu.. It might eventually prove disastrous in the long run.. And those OCZ Gamextream haven't been tested yet in the long run..Despite that JG stresses psus beyond levels.. That's where a psu show its potential.. Not in the easy tests..There it would do well under a mediocre level.. But you buy a strong psu because you see it as an investment for the future not for the easy stuff
Also remember that those that I recommended you have 70A combined in the 12V line while the OCZ 66A if I'm not mistaken.. Big difference you might say..Ok won't argue here..But as you correctly stated anything today won't be even close to stressing a psu.. So you should be fine , except for the ripple effect that worries me..
I think 20-30 bucks more for a better product is nothing.. But it's just me... Etasis is not well known to the public but it is a strong name in server grade systems.. And both psus I mentioned offer very good price/performance..

IF it were $20-30 dollars it would be in the *range* but the difference is $55 for a lower wattage PS ... 850w vs. 700w ... the 850 watter IS 85% efficient ... so it is not a bad PS ... even JG concludes it is OK - in his vaulted opinion

SUMMARY:

It's obvious that despite this units light weight that this unit isn't a... well... light weight! It's was amazing how it putted along putting out nearly 700W of power and never really got hot. The voltage stood up, we have active PFC and the efficiency was pretty darn good. The only real problem was the excess ripple which exceed the ATX specification. If FSP and OCZ can get together and solve this problem, they'll have a power supply that all other manufacturers will have to use as a benchmark.

The Good....

* Fairly efficient
* Quiet
* Active Power Factor Correction
* All cable sleeved
* Blue LED fan looks cool
* Puts out beau coup power without breaking the bank

The Bad....

* Ripple that exceeds tolerances documented in the ATX specifications

The Mediocre....

* Nothing really "mediocre" about it!

JG gave that sucker an 8 - B+ - despite the ripple ... as CaiNaM pointed out
:wine:

as to your 70 amp *minimum* ... OCZ 850w is 18x4 or 72a unless i can't add anymore.

so although i don't *deserve* more than the OCZ 700w's "8" score by JG ... i AM getting better ... the 850 watter - evidently the *ripple* is lessened in the 850w - since the 700w review.

i think you nitpickers are recommending OVERkill ... for the *extreme* o/c'er

 

[jim1976]

Seems I was a bit late to the party..

Apoppin I think you're answering yourself.. OCZ 850 is not bad.. But you can get a much better psu for that money.. Or a little more..
I wouldn't trust a psu with excessive ripple.. I am paying for a 850w psu in case I might need it, not for a 850w psu that can do well until it has to stretch its legs..
I'd personally go with Snakexor's proposal even if it is 700w.. It is a much wiser choice..Ppl are seeing specs and marketing BS like 1KW 1.2KW, 80A, quite and stuff like this.. The more the better they think.. But a psu is not only its specs..

For example the SS Zeus 850W is a very good psu admittedly. The SS OP1000 has way too much ripple, but yet outstanding specs.. Now put it next to a PC P&C and see the dancing ripple effect on one and the almost flat line on the other.. Got the point.. ?

You do NOT get what you pay for always.. Especially in PSUs

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: apoppin

first of all, JG? ... JohnnyGuru ? ... as i remember, he is a *fanatic* when it comes to HW ... only the *best* will do for his exalted tastes ... and it's $240 for the 850w Silverstone [including $50 off] at NewEgg ... i think that $55 is a lot of money for not that much difference


... excessive ripple? mediocre performance? ... link me to it while i can still change it
please

i read about a dozen reviews this afternoon ... some user experience ... and came to a conclusion that OCZ is *decent* ... not extraordinary ... not low level ... but solid midrange
pricey ... NOT

as to *trust* .. they appear to have a decent 3-year warranty with an "exchange"

they also offer 4-12v rails with 18a max each [if i am reading the specs right] ... the 700w is *certified* by nvidia and the 850w expects to be.

it should be more then *enough* for today's Core2 Duo, a completely *loaded* system and sli'd 8800gtxes ...

what more do i want?

Yes JG is Jonny Gury.. And yes he's very strict being an oldskooler, because he knows what he's saying and he's a pro when it comes to psus.. Show me a better one that I can trust except PaulTa..

Well first of all look at this thread in his forums... It's an evaluation of high end psus.. It has some comments in it..

Also look at his comments at this page..
Unfortunately JG hasn't got a review on this particular psu you bought.. At least not official in his site

Now ripple is a bad thing for the psu.. It might eventually prove disastrous in the long run.. And those OCZ Gamextream haven't been tested yet in the long run..Despite that JG stresses psus beyond levels.. That's where a psu show its potential.. Not in the easy tests..There it would do well under a mediocre level.. But you buy a strong psu because you see it as an investment for the future not for the easy stuff
Also remember that those that I recommended you have 70A combined in the 12V line while the OCZ 66A if I'm not mistaken.. Big difference you might say..Ok won't argue here..But as you correctly stated anything today won't be even close to stressing a psu.. So you should be fine , except for the ripple effect that worries me..
I think 20-30 bucks more for a better product is nothing.. But it's just me... Etasis is not well known to the public but it is a strong name in server grade systems.. And both psus I mentioned offer very good price/performance..

IF it were $23-30 dollars it would be in the *range* but the difference is $55 for a lower wattage PS ... 850w vs. 700w ... the 850 watter IS 85% efficient ... so it is not a bad PS ... even JG concludes it is OK - in his vaulted opinion

SUMMARY:

It's obvious that despite this units light weight that this unit isn't a... well... light weight! It's was amazing how it putted along putting out nearly 700W of power and never really got hot. The voltage stood up, we have active PFC and the efficiency was pretty darn good. The only real problem was the excess ripple which exceed the ATX specification. If FSP and OCZ can get together and solve this problem, they'll have a power supply that all other manufacturers will have to use as a benchmark.

The Good....

*
Fairly efficient
*
Quiet
*
Active Power Factor Correction
*
All cable sleeved
*
Blue LED fan looks cool
*
Puts out beau coup power without breaking the bank

The Bad....

*
Ripple that exceeds tolerances documented in the ATX specifications

The Mediocre....

*
Nothing really "mediocre" about it!

JG gave that sucker an 8 - B+ - despite the ripple ... as CaiNaM pointed out
:wine:

as to your 70 amp *minimum* ... OCZ 850w is 18x4 or 72a unless i can't add anymore.

so although i don't *deserve* more than the OCZ 700w's "8" score by JG ... i AM getting better ... the 850watter

i think you guys are recommending OVERkill ... for the *extreme* o/c'er

well, you can't just add up 18 four times; the total is actually less than the sum.

and most importantly, Blue LED fan looks cool :thumbsup:

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin

IF it were $23-30 dollars it would be in the *range* but the difference is $55 for a lower wattage PS ... 850w vs. 700w ... the 850 watter IS 85% efficient ... so it is not a bad PS ... even JG concludes it is OK - in his vaulted opinion

I was talking about the ones I recommended.. They are both 850w

as to your 70 amp *minimum* ... OCZ 850w is 18x4 or 72a unless i can't add anymore.

so although i don't *deserve* more than the OCZ 700w's "8" score by JG ... i AM getting better ... the 850watter

i think you guys are recommending OVERkill ... for the *extreme* o/c'er

Nope.. Combined does not mean 4x18=72A.. This is total power on the 12V..This is something that some manufacturers are conveniently ommiting from the label sticks

And as I said.. If you think that 850w are overkill then why not go for an ecellent psu with 700w? It's a much wiser choice, especially taking into consideration that you won't probably need nothing remotely near to 700-800w area..Also as I said consider the fact that IF you buy your psu for the 850w then this is a problem with this psu.. Ripple does play a significant role at these levels.. [/b]

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jim1976
Seems I was a bit late to the party..

Apoppin I think you're answering yourself.. OCZ 850 is not bad.. But you can get a much better psu for that money.. Or a little more..
I wouldn't trust a psu with excessive ripple.. I am paying for a 850w psu in case I might need it, not for a 850w psu that can do well until it has to stretch its legs..
I'd personally go with Snakexor's proposal even if it is 700w.. It is a much wiser choice..Ppl are seeing specs and marketing BS like 1KW 1.2KW, 80A, quite and stuff like this.. The more the better they think.. But a psu is not only its specs..

For example the SS Zeus 850W is a very good psu admittedly. The SS OP1000 has way too much ripple, but yet outstanding specs.. Now put it next to a PC P&C and see the dancing ripple effect on one and the almost flat line on the other.. Got the point.. ?

You do NOT get what you pay for always.. Especially in PSUs

do you even bother to read what i write?
-or are you just waiting for me to *finish* ?

Show me a *much better* PS for the same money

*excessive ripple* in a 700w PS does NOT translate to *excessive ripple* in the 850w ...
other reviews showed "improvement"

and yes, i DO get the point ... i was active in High-end Audio ... actually i was respected as an 'audiophile' ... so i *know* BS power specs

just like in high-end audio, there are the *tweaks* - like you and JG - that must have the *finest* and look down their noses at "inferior" equipment.

i am NOT an *extreme* o/Cer ... even your "hero' - JohnnyGuru gave it an "8" ...
--since when is B/B+ 'crap'?

i NEVER plan to push it to its limits so the ripple will have no effect
:wine:
- i'm a bud man, anyway



EDIT: what IS the total amperage on the OCZ' 12v rail ... how DO i calculate it?

 

[Munky]

I wanted to use the warranty on my OCZ Powerstream PSU when it went bad, but they make you pay for the shipping costs. So I just got a new PSU instead. I don't think the Powerswap warranty is anything special.

 

[apoppin]

i love Johnny's comments about the 700w OCZ - he hasn't changed in years - LoL

And before you nimrods start whining about why your beloved OCZ only made teir 3... this is three tiers of HIGH END products. If the product isn't even on the list, it could be that I either don't know about it or it's not considered high end. So if your PSU is actually in teir 3, grab your e-Penis and know that you at least made the worst of the best.

i wonder what he will say about the 850w OCZ ... tier 2, maybe?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin

do you even bother to read what i write?
-or are you just waiting for me to *finish* ?

Yes but as I said I'm late every time
I won't comment on the second part :| rofl

Show me a *much better* PS for the same money

I recommended you two in the previous page.. Actually I own the Etasis

*excessive ripple* in a 700w PS does NOT translate to *excessive ripple* in the 850w ...
other reviews showed "improvement"

Agreed.. But as I said I find it hard to believe that a psu that has problems with ripple at lower watts will become better in higher.. It's just to damn difficult and it's also the same series.. They didn't give this part to another company so we can actually have doubts.. Despite that I linked to JGs comments on this psu.. And I trust him..

i am NOT an *extreme* o/Cer ... even your "hero' - JohnnyGuru gave it an "8" ...
--since when is B/B+ 'crap'?

i NEVER plan to push it to its limits so the ripple will have no effect
:wine:
- i'm a bud man, anyway

Well he's not my hero.. LOL But I do trust a man who knows what he's talking about and do thorough and hard tests on every unit..

And most of all I didn't say it's a bad psu.. :Q
I just said that I trust quality psus more.. And I think both psus I linked you offer you 850 watts (yes overkill) with extreme quality for the money.. I think they worth 30-40 bucks more

Just my 2 cents.. Cheers :beer:

 

[apoppin]

i appreciate all your opinions ... and of course, i have to actually *live* with my decision

again jim1976 ... you went from $20-30 to $30-40 ... keep going . . . the 850w Seasonic is $55 more than the 850w OCZ ... the difference between A- and B+ ... you can have your "first tier" PS. ... i can settle for "2nd"

re: the 700/850 watter, JG had this to say:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kab View Post

As far as I've seen the GameXstreams (700/850) been performing solid under continuous daily load.

Never said they didn't.

But the product is too new. IMHO the output has too much ripple and noise for average PC components to tolerate over extended periods and the internals lack the "gusto" I would associate with a unit that would give me years of unwavering service.

Even Yugo's worked great for the first couple years of ownership.

Yugo didn't work *great* for any extended period ... even new

and JG simply did NOT test the 850w ... supposedly *improved* over the 700w ...
========================

Originally posted by: munky
I wanted to use the warranty on my OCZ Powerstream PSU when it went bad, but they make you pay for the shipping costs. So I just got a new PSU instead. I don't think the Powerswap warranty is anything special.

*except* for CheapAss Sapphire's $15 RMA scam, everyone makes you pay for shipping ... these guys just cross-ship so you are not without a PS for a LONG time
[yeah, i'm keeping my 480w TT ... for an emergency]

-unless you use next-day air, shipping costs should not be a huge issue

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

If the card does indeed use 300 watts then it would probably be a better idea to use an external power brick instead of drawing from the PS.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin
again jim1976 ... you went from $20-30 to $30-40 ... keep going . . . the 850w Seasonic is $55 more than the 850w OCZ ... the difference between A- and B+ ... you can have your "first tier" PS. ... i can settle for "2nd"

Now who's not paying attention?

I never proposed Seasonic 850w.. I said Etasis ET850W and Silverstone Zeus 850W..
They are both Etasis builts.. And I think they are cheaper than the Seasonic

As for his comments I told you.. Though he didn't review it (or hasn't got the part from OCZ to put the review yet )they are the same series.. Not much can change in the same series.. They are built by the same psu OEM for OCZ..
Also as I said I trust only the best reviews for psus.. Not easy tests so that the reviewer can put a good grade to the product Watch at the review on cluboverclockers.com the project skill level

Nm.. I told you.. I don't believe that you'll have the slightest problem.. It's just a matter of preference and perspective for the money.. I'm off to bed..

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: apoppin
again jim1976 ... you went from $20-30 to $30-40 ... keep going . . . the 850w Seasonic is $55 more than the 850w OCZ ... the difference between A- and B+ ... you can have your "first tier" PS. ... i can settle for "2nd"

Now who's not paying attention?

I never proposed Seasonic 850w.. I said Etasis ET850W and Silverstone Zeus 850W..
They are both Etasis builts.. And I think they are cheaper than the Seasonic

As for his comments I told you.. Though he didn't review it (or hasn't got the part from OCZ to put the review yet )they are the same series.. Not much can change in the same series.. They are built by the same psu OEM for OCZ..
Also as I said I trust only the best reviews for psus.. Not easy tests so that the reviewer can put a good grade to the product Watch at the review on cluboverclockers.com the project skill level

Nm.. I told you.. I don't believe that you'll have the slightest problem.. It's just a matter of preference and perspective for the money.. I'm off to bed..

i appreciate and *respect* your opinion --and JGs ... though i may 'kid' you about it
:thumbsup:

i AM paying attention - the PSes at NewEgg that meet your criteria are ALL over $50 more than then my *budget* allows [period]

i would have to *scale back* my wattage 'wants' to fit in my budget
i am well-known as the HW cheapass 'king of bang-for-buck' and will often *settle* for less then the best.

i tend to stay OFF the cutting edge ... and i intend to follow this 'rule' the rest of my life unless i win the big lotto ... that means i *won't* go for the max CPU O/C nor do i even bother to O/C my GPUs - except to "test" them ...

which in turn means, even IF i do get 8900GTxes and a Core2 Duo system - next year ... after the very latest HW is released and they take 2nd place - that i should be 'well within' the SLI spec ... even with *only 66a total* on the 12v rail ... i will *never* ... ever ... well, within 3 years ... need that much juice ... or absolute stability when the PS is strained to the max

at that point, we are looking at my next PS purchase ... in 2011 ...

i followed this *rule* with my 480w TT and it served me very well for over 3 years thru 3 ... no 4 ... GPU upgrades [8500/9800xt/x850xt/7800GSoc] ... 'till i chanced upon a power-hungry beast, x1950p/512 that requires my next logical upgrade in a series of PSes - on-and-on, till i drop out of upgrading computer HW ...
[perhaps due to dementia, advancing old age or homelessness]
:Q

 

[DeathReborn]

apoppin, 730W is more than enough for Quad Core & SLI G80's let alone 800/850W.

I've been using a 730W Hiper PSU for the last few months without problems. The OCZ should be fine for you but I had to choose a Server Grade PSU due to the system being on 24/7 so I wanted reliability over anything else.

Hiper Type-R 730W (Andyson Server PSU inside) Modular

I hope you enjoy your OCZ like I enjoy my Hiper, lol.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
apoppin, 730W is more than enough for Quad Core & SLI G80's let alone 800/850W.

I've been using a 730W Hiper PSU for the last few months without problems. The OCZ should be fine for you but I had to choose a Server Grade PSU due to the system being on 24/7 so I wanted reliability over anything else.

Hiper Type-R 730W (Andyson Server PSU inside) Modular

I hope you enjoy your OCZ like I enjoy my Hiper, lol.

[edited: mistaken identity .. oops!
]

thanks !
:thumbsup:

i believe OCZ will be *sufficient* for my modest needs ...
in less than 4 years - same case - from generic 300w to TT 480w .. and now ... 850w ... sheesh!
:shocked:

:laugh:

OCZ has proved to be a decent company, imo ... i remember taking a *chance* on their RAM.

EDIT: VERY nice PS ... Stainless steel, huh?

what did that baby set you back?

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
apoppin, 730W is more than enough for Quad Core & SLI G80's let alone 800/850W.

I've been using a 730W Hiper PSU for the last few months without problems. The OCZ should be fine for you but I had to choose a Server Grade PSU due to the system being on 24/7 so I wanted reliability over anything else.

Hiper Type-R 730W (Andyson Server PSU inside) Modular

I hope you enjoy your OCZ like I enjoy my Hiper, lol.

are you following me from thread-to-thread?
:Q
--cleaning up my mess ... first in SW ... then in Video


thanks !
:thumbsup:

i believe OCZ will be *sufficient* for my modest needs ...
.... 850w ... sheesh!
:shocked:

:laugh:

they have proved to be a decent company, imo

lol, it's just shocking that you talk about 3 games I own & play.

OCZ are a pretty decent company, they are good with RAM, PSU's & Graphics Cards but not the best in every field. I still use OCZ PSU's in my older rigs (P2, P3, AXP, A64) but for the newer machines I tend to go with PC P&C or Hiper for their good record of stability.

I just read your AT-Wiki and it made me laugh. :beer:

 

[apoppin]

more than 3 games


and i mistook you fr someone else in the latest thread i made ... i edited it
anyway - VtMR ... is my "in-between" game ... i just finished it's successor VtMB and could not bring myself to play the fUgly-as-hell 8x6 '99 game PlanetScape:Torment ... i don't *ever* remember '99 Gfx being so crappy ... Unreal was beautiful ... even a couple of years later when i played it in '01.

*What AT-Wiki?*
:Q
i didn't used to be there

someone who evidently likes me got ahold of it

that may not be the prevailing opinion here ...

and your PS is *really* nice ... Stainless steel body, huh? ... no compromise ... and no doubt expensive.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I love my His 1950 turbo factory O/Ced 512.

This card is 10x better than the 1 I sent back .
3dmark05 7882 intel p4c 3.4ghz.

Fan is @ 40% Idle temps 32-33. Highest temps under game load I have seen was 44c thats with the fan at 40%

The 256 I returned Idle was 41-42 c Highest I seen underload was 75c I knew the other one was not setted well but i didn't want to lose warranty. So I sent it back got the 512 for less money than I paid for the 256. This one had to have fan at 100% or it artifacted badly.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I love my His 1950 turbo factory O/Ced 512.

This card is 10x better than the 1 I sent back .
3dmark05 7882 intel p4c 3.4ghz.

Fan is @ 40% Idle temps 32-33. Highest temps under game load I have seen was 44c thats with the fan at 40%

The 256 I returned Idle was 41-42 c Highest I seen underload was 75c I knew the other one was not setted well but i didn't want to lose warranty. So I sent it back got the 512 for less money than I paid for the 256. This one had to have fan at 100% or it artifacted badly.

cool ... if i remember right you were pretty disgusted with your first one

i *expect* there will be no problem with my Sapphire ... i really think i could "get away" with my current TT and use it indefinitely ... i am just upgrading my PS *now* to take advantage of not losing 15% of $210 ... over $30 - when i return my 7800GS for refund ... so that $185 OCZ is even "less" ... the way i look at it.

ultimately this thread .. showed *me* that i have no problem with EITHER video card in my rig ... both nvidia and ATi make awesome products ... the supposed *issues* are exaggerated by fanboys of both camps.

so it's back to ATi

that said, does anyone want me to test anything or compare anything when i get my OCZ and can really put my CPU/GPU thru their O/C'ing 'paces' ... i should have an evening with my x1950p and 7800GS side-by-side ... well in just one rig ... but i can swap them for 'tests'.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i appreciate and *respect* your opinion --and JGs ... though i may 'kid' you about it
:thumbsup:

Well I don't need you to respect me I'm just trying to give you an alternative POV and if possbile to help if I can here.. You can take it or leave it :thumbsup:

i AM paying attention - the PSes at NewEgg that meet your criteria are ALL over $50 more than then my *budget* allows [period]

i would have to *scale back* my wattage 'wants' to fit in my budget
i am well-known as the HW cheapass 'king of bang-for-buck' and will often *settle* for less then the best.

Understood.. I told you it's a matter of preference and perspective for the money.. In your case I'd scale back for a excellent 750w psu that probably costs the same or almost the same.. You think higher and good, I think close to high and excellent..

i tend to stay OFF the cutting edge ... and i intend to follow this 'rule' the rest of my life unless i win the big lotto ... that means i *won't* go for the max CPU O/C nor do i even bother to O/C my GPUs - except to "test" them ...

I won't argue here.. It's your perspective and absolutely respected.. But I think it does not apply in this case..

which in turn means, even IF i do get 8900GTxes and a Core2 Duo system - next year ... after the very latest HW is released and they take 2nd place - that i should be 'well within' the SLI spec ... even with *only 66a total* on the 12v rail ... i will *never* ... ever ... well, within 3 years ... need that much juice ... or absolute stability when the PS is strained to the max

Then if you will never ever need that much power(in which I agree unless something extraordinary happens), why do you go for a 850w? You say that nothing could push the psu to these levels (700-850w) in the future..Agreed.. So why don't you follow your own thinking? If this OCZ is not reliable at high levels then what's the purpose of this investment in the first place? See my point? Again you think higher Watts and good quality
in this case and I think lower watts and higher quality..
It's not a matter of *elitism* or *hardcore O/C* in this case.. It's a matter of what you think it's more appropriate for your given budget..
That's all nothing else for me to say I think we over analyzed this :beer:

Cainam, sorry I didn't answer your comments ... I got lost on the quotes and I didn't realize their existence till today
But I believe that indirectly I had answered you.. :beer:

 

[apoppin]

sure i need to *respect* you
--i don't take advice from just anyone, jim1976


you clearly have an excellent grasp of PSes
[and clearly are an 'elitist' ... just like JG ... which is fine in my book]

However, you are missing my point ...
completely

the 850w OCZ is *not mediocre* ... the "inferior" 700w OCZ got a *solid EIGHT* from JG ... "rippLe" considered ... that's a B/B+ ... a "solid B" high-end PS
:wine:

even the 700w OCZ is NOT *unreliable* at higher levels ... ONLY at the MOST *extreme* end of [only] JG's test ... and WtH does it have to do with the "improved" 850 watter?

IF you can show me *anything* about the OCZ 850w - instead of the 700 watter ... you MIGHT have a point

*other* reviews confirm the 850w OCZ IS improved over the 700w and STILL you REFUSE to believe ... and you keep bringing up that single RELATED review and extrapolate its "single issue" - at extraordinarily high power draw which NO ONE sees in real life usage - to a BIGGER ps in the same series. ...

and you can't find a equivalent PS for equal money at NewEgg [period] ... $185 IS a good deal for a SLI-certified PS

850w might be overkill ... but 700w is *low* in my opinion

 

[jim1976]

Ok I think we are on a vicious circle here

I just don't see the point of having a 850w psu if excess ripple might exist at high loads.. But that's just me..
And I can't show you nothing else about 850w.. Is it better than the 700w? Who knows? Given the history the same series of psu's have the same problems.. But of course I can be wrong here.. I hope I am.. I have nothing against OCZ.. And JG said that if FSP and OCZ could get together and fix the ripple issue then we would talk about a "benchmark psu".. I don't think he's biased against them either..
Most of all I don't think your psu is unreliable.. Not even close.. I do believe that you won't even need anything remotely close to that load.. I just argue your perspective.. That's all..