apoppin re-evaluates nvidia [Formerly nm] ... back to x1950p

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late

will it "fit" in my Aspire case?

i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case )
:Q

I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.

It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:

you did my homework for me
:Q

BIG mahalo!

and does *anyone* think i should NOT "try" my x1950p with my current PS - to make sure it is not DOA?


i will just boot into Windows without drivers just to make sure there is no artifacting
--then BUY the OCZ PS -tonight ... and send back the 7800GS when it arrives.

good plan?

 

[Snakexor]

700watt M12:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151031

750watt Quad PCP&C
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703008

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late

will it "fit" in my Aspire case?

i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case )
:Q

I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.

It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:

you did my homework for me
:Q

BIG mahalo!

and does *anyone* think i should NOT "try" my x1950p with my current PS - to make sure it is not DOA?


i will just boot into Windows without drivers just to make sure there is no artifacting
--then BUY the OCZ PS -tonight ... and send back the 7800GS when it arrives.

good plan?

Why not just go back to a stock cpu settings and throw it in. It should be fine till you get your psu. Plus it's good to know your card is ok when your psu comes. Then crank up the cpu overclock and test the card.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late

will it "fit" in my Aspire case?

i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case )
:Q

I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.

It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:

you did my homework for me
:Q

BIG mahalo!

and does *anyone* think i should NOT "try" my x1950p with my current PS - to make sure it is not DOA?


i will just boot into Windows without drivers just to make sure there is no artifacting
--then BUY the OCZ PS -tonight ... and send back the 7800GS when it arrives.

good plan?

Why not just go back to a stock cpu settings and throw it in. It should be fine till you get your psu. Plus it's good to know your card is ok when your psu comes. Then crank up the cpu overclock and test the card.

Because i can *keep* my 7800GS till it arrives ... i "planned" an overlap in RAM transit times


i just want to make *sure* x1950p is not DOA ... or i have to fall back on Plan C

:roll:

:laugh:

and that 700w PC Power & Cooling Silencer customer reviews don't inspire confidence

why would you choose it over the 850w OCZ --- for more money and a *mess* of cables

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Check out the rails on this OCZ 850 watt gameXstream. 4--- 20 amp rails

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817341003

It's in your budget too.

Edit : I bet this will run 2- r600's and mabe your dishwasher

a common misnomer (and this is rather the fault of the manufacturers) is all the talk of "multiple rails".

there are no "multiple rail" power supplies in pc's, with one exception (get to that in a minute). the "rail" definition as used by psu manufacturers is nothing more than a wiring exercise to meet the UL requirement that no externally cabled circuit has a rating of over 240VA.

without separate transformers, switches, and feedback circuits for each +12 output, it's nothing more than a single rail psu.

when shopping for power supplies, forget the "how many rails" question; more importantly is that it should be high efficiency (80-85%), active pfc, have 40a or better on 12v, and meets your min. requirements for wattage under high temps (40-50c - many post ratings at 20c, which is misleading).

about that one exception, enermax released a new psu last summer the DOES have true multiple rails, and afaik it's the only one out there. there's a review on it here for those interested.

 

[apoppin]

so, CaiNaM ... in view of what you posted, what do you think of the 850w OCZ for SLi'd GTXes?

somewhat futureproof?


or 'not very' ?

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late

will it "fit" in my Aspire case?

i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case )
:Q

I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.

It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:

you did my homework for me
:Q

BIG mahalo!

and does *anyone* think i should NOT "try" my x1950p with my current PS - to make sure it is not DOA?


i will just boot into Windows without drivers just to make sure there is no artifacting
--then BUY the OCZ PS -tonight ... and send back the 7800GS when it arrives.

good plan?

Why not just go back to a stock cpu settings and throw it in. It should be fine till you get your psu. Plus it's good to know your card is ok when your psu comes. Then crank up the cpu overclock and test the card.

Because i can *keep* my 7800GS till it arrives ... i "planned" an overlap in RAM transit times


i just want to make *sure* x1950p is not DOA ... or i have to fall back on Plan C

:roll:

:laugh:

and that 700w PC Power & Cooling Silencer customer reviews don't inspire confidence

why would you choose it over the 850w OCZ --- for more money and a *mess* of cables

then get the m12 700watt. 850 watts is ludacris, nothing but great marketing by the psu manufacturers. wattage has gone up almost 500 watts since i got into the game (late 2002). a solid 350watt enermax was widely recommended on these and many other forums. now an 850 watt "may not" be enough?!? i call bs and shens, the 700 watt seasonic will be more than enough to power quad core and sli 8800gtxs or the r600 that is coming out. this is just another reason why 1kw psus are becoming popular because people are "scared" their 700watt will not be enough to safely run their rig. :disgust::roll:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late

will it "fit" in my Aspire case?

i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case )
:Q

I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.

It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:

you did my homework for me
:Q

BIG mahalo!

and does *anyone* think i should NOT "try" my x1950p with my current PS - to make sure it is not DOA?


i will just boot into Windows without drivers just to make sure there is no artifacting
--then BUY the OCZ PS -tonight ... and send back the 7800GS when it arrives.

good plan?

Why not just go back to a stock cpu settings and throw it in. It should be fine till you get your psu. Plus it's good to know your card is ok when your psu comes. Then crank up the cpu overclock and test the card.

Because i can *keep* my 7800GS till it arrives ... i "planned" an overlap in RAM transit times


i just want to make *sure* x1950p is not DOA ... or i have to fall back on Plan C

:roll:

:laugh:

and that 700w PC Power & Cooling Silencer customer reviews don't inspire confidence

why would you choose it over the 850w OCZ --- for more money and a *mess* of cables

then get the m12 700watt. 850 watts is ludacris, nothing but great marketing by the psu manufacturers. wattage has gone up almost 500 watts since i got into the game (late 2002). a solid 350watt enermax was widely recommended on these and many other forums. now an 850 watt "may not" be enough?!? i call bs and shens, the 700 watt seasonic will be more than enough to power quad core and sli 8800gtxs or the r600 that is coming out. this is just another reason why 1kw psus are becoming popular because people are "scared" their 700watt will not be enough to safely run their rig. :disgust::roll:

the 850w is *cheaper* then your 700w suggestion

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: apoppin
so, CaiNaM ... in view of what you posted, what do you think of the 850w OCZ for SLi'd GTXes?

somewhat futureproof?


or 'not very' ?

it's a decent choice. the x1950pro runs fine w/ my OCZ psu (tho mine is a topower, the gamexstream is the updated version and is an FSP), and the blue LED is cool looking

it meets the criteria i mentioned (efficient, active pfc, etc.) and it's certainly more than you will need, so should last for a bit.

i actually almost bought that one.. it down to the ocz and the corsair (built for corsair by seasonic), and i opted for the corsair, but the OCZ is a good unit imo.

oh... and mine is "only" a 620w (50a on12v) and it runs sli'd gtx's just fine (heck i know of ppl running dual gtx on the 520w version). the ocz should be just fine as well.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: apoppin
finally ... my 'edit' was late

will it "fit" in my Aspire case?

i ain't modifying it [much] nor do i want to set it 'on top' my case )
:Q

I can't find the size.... I keep comming up with the quote "The highly efficient GameXStream core is sheltered in a standard dimension chassis, resulting in a smaller footprint and more legroom for system-cooling modifications.

It sounds like you'll be good to go Apoppin.:thumbsup:

you did my homework for me
:Q

BIG mahalo!

and does *anyone* think i should NOT "try" my x1950p with my current PS - to make sure it is not DOA?


i will just boot into Windows without drivers just to make sure there is no artifacting
--then BUY the OCZ PS -tonight ... and send back the 7800GS when it arrives.

good plan?

Why not just go back to a stock cpu settings and throw it in. It should be fine till you get your psu. Plus it's good to know your card is ok when your psu comes. Then crank up the cpu overclock and test the card.

Because i can *keep* my 7800GS till it arrives ... i "planned" an overlap in RAM transit times


i just want to make *sure* x1950p is not DOA ... or i have to fall back on Plan C

:roll:

:laugh:

and that 700w PC Power & Cooling Silencer customer reviews don't inspire confidence

why would you choose it over the 850w OCZ --- for more money and a *mess* of cables

then get the m12 700watt. 850 watts is ludacris, nothing but great marketing by the psu manufacturers. wattage has gone up almost 500 watts since i got into the game (late 2002). a solid 350watt enermax was widely recommended on these and many other forums. now an 850 watt "may not" be enough?!? i call bs and shens, the 700 watt seasonic will be more than enough to power quad core and sli 8800gtxs or the r600 that is coming out. this is just another reason why 1kw psus are becoming popular because people are "scared" their 700watt will not be enough to safely run their rig. :disgust::roll:

I'm no expert with psu's but I know i'd rather have a good name brand cpu with 850 watts and 4 --20 amp rails thats cheaper then a good name brand psu with 700 watts and 60 amps on the 12v+ rail. Multiple rails or not it's a good deal. Theres no such thing as too many watts if it's in your budget.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: apoppin
so, CaiNaM ... in view of what you posted, what do you think of the 850w OCZ for SLi'd GTXes?

somewhat futureproof?


or 'not very' ?

it's a decent choice. the x1950pro runs fine w/ my OCZ psu (tho mine is a topower, the gamexstream is the updated version and is an FSP), and the blue LED is cool looking

it meets the criteria i mentioned (efficient, active pfc, etc.) and it's certainly more than you will need, so should last for a bit.

i actually almost bought that one.. it down to the ocz and the corsair (built for corsair by seasonic), and i opted for the corsair, but the OCZ is a good unit imo.

that *settles* it

IF i don't sell my x1950p by the time i get back from work tonight, i will buy the 850w OCZ from NewEgg ... and send back my 7800GS when it arrives for a full refund

unless someone can find something *better* for the same price or cheaper

 

[postmortemIA]

Build another AGP rig? sempron 2800+ ($27) = ECS nForce3-A ($44), and keep both!.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Build another AGP rig? sempron 2800+ ($27) = ECS nForce3-A ($44), and keep both!.

or sell both and the rest of my ancient rig and upgrade now to pciE ... now

next year ...

patience threadhopper

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: apoppin

<snip>

:laugh:

and that 700w PC Power & Cooling Silencer customer reviews don't inspire confidence

why would you choose it over the 850w OCZ --- for more money and a *mess* of cables

I have the PCP&C 750W Silencer (not the "quad" model), and I have to say this thing is nice. It feel/looks solid, it's not loud, and it's been rock stable with a number different high end cpu/gpu configs. Plus, it's only a tad bit bigger then a standard PSU. I would definitely recommend this PSU.

...btw, If you want to know the exact size, PCP&C has high level schematic drawings with exact measurements on their site for each PSU.

 

[Gstanfor]

Well, I still recommend the Thermaltakes. They are cheap to buy, have a very quiet 140mm cooling fan (some of the other high wattage PSU's sound like they have a diesel generator inside) and the 850W model is on nvidia's (short) list of SLi certified PSU's.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Well, I still recommend the Thermaltakes. They are cheap to buy, have a very quiet 140mm cooling fan (some of the other high wattage PSU's sound like they have a diesel generator inside) and the 850W model is on nvidia's (short) list of SLi certified PSU's.

i am gonna check them out right now ... thanks for the tips!

FIRST, i'll boot up my x1950p - to make damn sure it works before i spend another penny

--and take it OFF FS/T
-potential buyers lost out on a good deal for a x1950p with a game shipped for $210

my gain ... the x1950p IS faster plus i might get to really O/C my CPU and i will also be *ready* for next year.

 

[apoppin]

OK, i *tried* my returned-from-RMA x1950p ... boots into windows FINE ... no prob whatsoever

of course it is *out* and i have my 7800GS back in ... just to be "safe"

i DiD buy the 850w OCZ ... my RAM is also OCZ [as IF that means *anything*]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817341003

it is $184.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate ... the *only* thing is that it is not yet "certified" for SLI by nvidia ... the smaller 600/700w OCz already are
--the only "issue" I i can see is the rebate has to be postmarked within 10 days. ... short time to test it

the 850w Thermaltake is $260 ... no MIR ... simple economics ... i had to pass on it ... very nice, though!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153043

SO ... AFTER i receive it - Monday - and test out my x1950p with it, i return the 7800GS [sadly] for full credit from NewEgg by the 17th to get full credit for the RMA.

clever planning
--if i say so myself

Case *almost* closed.


ONE thing i did see with OCZ ...

3 year warranty backed by OCZ?s exclusive PowerSwap? replacement program. No more endless return-for-repair loops!

sounds like Sapphire could learn something ...
--anyone actually use this warranty service?

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: apoppin
OK, i *tried* my returned-from-RMA x1950p ... boots into windows FINE ... no prob whatsoever

of course it is *out* and i have my 7800GS back in ... just to be "safe"

i DiD buy the 850w OCZ ... my RAM is also OCZ [as IF that means *anything*]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817341003

it is $184.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate ... the *only* thing is that it is not yet "certified" for SLI by nvidia ... the smaller 600/700w OCz already are

the 850w Thermaltake is $260 ... no MIR ... simple economics ... i had to pass on it ... very nice, though!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153043

SO ... AFTER i receive it - Monday - and test out my x1950p with it, i return the 7800GS [sadly] for full credit from NewEgg by the 17th to get full credit for the RMA.

clever planning
--if i say so myself

Case *almost* closed.

The specifications on New egg says sli certified. Click the tab next to reviews.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
OKAY this thread has turned alot of people crazy. So Lets end the fighting and go to fact :

apoppin got screwed over by Sapphire and he is know on crusade against all of ATI

Bug777 is confused

AMD share not doing good because of idiots at wall streets looking to drop below $14 soon.

Nvidia very happy : )

Innovation is loosing the war as Nvidia and Intel armies go ever deeper into enemy territory. NVIDIA excepts a decisively victory and Intel isnt sure of total victory to grantee to them total market share.

Future looks bad for tech world !!

Sounds like a good time to buy AMD stock.

Finally some sense in here

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Well, I still recommend the Thermaltakes. They are cheap to buy, have a very quiet 140mm cooling fan (some of the other high wattage PSU's sound like they have a diesel generator inside) and the 850W model is on nvidia's (short) list of SLi certified PSU's.

PurePower is bad bad bad.. Toughpower is good..I can not believe I'm saying that after 2 failures with TT but nm..

Apoppin, I highly recommend the Etasis ET850W or the equivalent Silvestone Zeus 850w which is basically the same psu built by Etasis..
Look at them before you decide..
Extremely tough to find psus like these that can offer what they can at that price with that quality..

 

[apoppin]

happy medium ... nevermind what NewEgg says ... go to the horses mouth:

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/p...xstream_power_supply-nvidia_sli_ready_

600W, 700W, & 850W* Configurations
NVIDIA® SLI? Certified

note the asterisk*

now look over on the right ... in the teeny-tiny print ... put your glasses on

*SLI Certification Pending

jim1976 ... i already did decide ... in favour of the 850w OCZ ... it is seems stable enough and overkill for most SLI situations currently. The other ones are a bit too pricey for me [from NewEgg]

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin
jim1976 ... i already did decide ... in favour of the 850w OCZ ... it is seems stable enough and overkill for most SLI situations currently. The other ones are a bit too pricey for me [from NewEgg]

Yes I didn't notice that

Anyway.. I hope it's fine.. I just don't trust OCZ GamerXstream psus..

Excessive ripple for such a pricey product with mediocre performance across the board.. It's not my opinion.. It's JG's one.. And he's a pro when it comes to psus..

Nm I don't want to spoil it for you..

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: apoppin
jim1976 ... i already did decide ... in favour of the 850w OCZ ... it is seems stable enough and overkill for most SLI situations currently. The other ones are a bit too pricey for me [from NewEgg]

Yes I didn't notice that

Anyway.. I hope it's fine.. I just don't trust OCZ GamerXstream psus..

Excessive ripple for such a pricey product with mediocre performance across the board.. It's not my opinion.. It's JG's one.. And he's a pro when it comes to psus..

Nm I don't want to spoil it for you..

exactly what i tried to tell you apoppin.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: apoppin
jim1976 ... i already did decide ... in favour of the 850w OCZ ... it is seems stable enough and overkill for most SLI situations currently. The other ones are a bit too pricey for me [from NewEgg]

Yes I didn't notice that

Anyway.. I hope it's fine.. I just don't trust OCZ GamerXstream psus..

Excessive ripple for such a pricey product with mediocre performance across the board.. It's not my opinion.. It's JG's one.. And he's a pro when it comes to psus..

Nm I don't want to spoil it for you..

exactly what i tried to tell you apoppin.

first of all, JG? ... JohnnyGuru ? ... as i remember, he is a *fanatic* when it comes to HW ... only the *best* will do for his exalted tastes ... and it's $240 for the 850w Silverstone [including $50 off] at NewEgg ... i think that $55 is a lot of money for not that much difference


... excessive ripple? mediocre performance? ... link me to it while i can still change it
please

i read about a dozen reviews this afternoon ... some user experience ... and came to a conclusion that OCZ is *decent* ... not extraordinary ... not low level ... but solid midrange
pricey ... NOT

as to *trust* .. they appear to have a decent 3-year warranty with an "exchange"

they also offer 4-12v rails with 18a max each [if i am reading the specs right] ... the 700w is *certified* by nvidia and the 850w expects to be.

it should be more then *enough* for today's Core2 Duo, a completely *loaded* system and sli'd 8800gtxes ...

what more do i want?

 

[Snakexor]

heres the review of the 700watt

http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=35

go to page 2 and read the bottom part. the psu is the first hes reviewed that went out of atx spec.


on the same note here is the seasonic 700watt

http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=13