Ummm I don't think so....
both are DX9.0c class cards with SM3.0 support...both are high end AGP cards...I think that would put them in the same class...
Ummm I don't think so....
both are DX9.0c class cards with SM3.0 support...both are high end AGP cards...I think that would put them in the same class...
Originally posted by: Stumps
you've distrubed the balance of the video forum....an ATI fanboyOriginally posted by: apoppin
wth is wrong with them?
this is one *hell* of a nvidia evaluation
:Q
this is the *second time* i upset the balance here ...
--ask Rollo about the first time
:Q
reminds me , i ought to head over to "his" forum and let 'em know ...
... maybe not
and *blame* Sapphire's extortionist RMA policy
==========
trust me on this one *no respect* is "due" ...
and they ARE in the *same class* with the GS being slower
[but still decent for my rig and a 'step up' over my x850xt]
------------
i got this from NewEgg
they also say this info is *confidential*
:Q
so i won't post the *details*
... but i only bought ONE thing recently at NewEgg
awesome videocard ... for $160 after MIR
:thumbsup:
and *it works perfectly* on an older 480w PS
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps
you've distrubed the balance of the video forum....an ATI fanboyOriginally posted by: apoppin
wth is wrong with them?
this is one *hell* of a nvidia evaluation
:Q
this is the *second time* i upset the balance here ...
--ask Rollo about the first time
:Q
reminds me , i ought to head over to "his" forum and let 'em know ...
... maybe not
and *blame* Sapphire's extortionist RMA policy
==========
trust me on this one *no respect* is "due" ...
and they ARE in the *same class* with the GS being slower
[but still decent for my rig and a 'step up' over my x850xt]
------------
i got this from NewEgg
they also say this info is *confidential*
:Q
so i won't post the *details*
... but i only bought ONE thing recently at NewEgg
awesome videocard ... for $160 after MIR
:thumbsup:
and *it works perfectly* on an older 480w PS
7800GS's work perfectly on even older 350w PSU's, with only 15a
Finishing up [maxed out Gfx] Fable without a single crash ... awesome game
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
love the GS
:heart:
the CP isn't *bad* either
*cough*
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
love the GS
:heart:
the CP isn't *bad* either
*cough*
Originally posted by: dug777
So really, your main point is that YOU had a bad experience with Sapphire, and a good experience with BFG?
no you largely missed it
[except that this Thread IS all about *me* and *my experience*]
i.e - i had a bad experience with an RMA policy which drove me to purchase a 7800GS which turned out to be a very nice surprise in every way ... considering all my experience was with ATi GPUs since 2000 ... 7 continuous years of running ATi GPUs ... from my first experience with GeForce256 > 7800 series
this is a log of *my experience* - of someone labeled here as an ATi Fanboy - with a nvidia GPU ...
*my conclusion* ... both ATi and nvidia make awesome GPUs and i would not mind running EITHER in my rig[period]
--that's all--
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: dug777
So really, your main point is that YOU had a bad experience with Sapphire, and a good experience with BFG?
no you largely missed it
[except that this Thread IS all about *me* and *my experience*]
i.e - i had a bad experience with an RMA policy which drove me to purchase a 7800GS which turned out to be a very nice surprise in every way ... considering all my experience was with ATi GPUs since 2000 ... 7 continuous years of running ATi GPUs ... from my first experience with GeForce256 > 7800 series
this is a log of *my experience* - of someone labeled here as an ATi Fanboy - with a nvidia GPU ...
*my conclusion* ... both ATi and nvidia make awesome GPUs and i would not mind running EITHER in my rig[period]
--that's all--
that's the best way to go....fanboy's suck, I've pretty much taken this approche since mid 2002 (I was an AMD/Nvidia fanboy before then) and I couldn't be happier....the only hang up I have now is every thing has to have a blue PCB....but that's Gigabyte's fault not mine.
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: dug777
So really, your main point is that YOU had a bad experience with Sapphire, and a good experience with BFG?
no you largely missed it
[except that this Thread IS all about *me* and *my experience*]
i.e - i had a bad experience with an RMA policy which drove me to purchase a 7800GS which turned out to be a very nice surprise in every way ... considering all my experience was with ATi GPUs since 2000 ... 7 continuous years of running ATi GPUs ... from my first experience with GeForce256 > 7800 series
this is a log of *my experience* - of someone labeled here as an ATi Fanboy - with a nvidia GPU ...
*my conclusion* ... both ATi and nvidia make awesome GPUs and i would not mind running EITHER in my rig[period]
--that's all--
i kinda missed that, what with all the bitching about Sapphire
I would have thought it patently obvious to someone of even the meanest intellect that both companies provide excellent graphics solutions (and have done for a long time now). You were obviously more of a fanboy than you would like to think if you honestly expected any real surprises, or worse still, were actually surprised by the nvidia card
EDIT: i've been back and forth between them for years, and while i've honestly enjoyed my ATI cards a little more than my nvidia cards, bang/buck in the AGP market meant i've ended up with a 6600GT and then a 6800GS, both of which have been more than adequate
If anyone labelled you an Ati fanboy apoppin it was yourself (and you were a very immature fanboy at that - I still recall an infantile post of yours against me where you ranted like a two year old deprived of its favorite toy).
I'm glad you like your 7800GS though and frankly, do not believe your IQ claims about your GeForce1 - I had one of them too right around the time Ultima Ascension launched and thanks to a mate saw the difference in IQ between GeForce & Radeon first hand (also tried a Voodoo 3 & 4 on that game out of my own pocket) - I'll let you guess which graphics card had the best IQ...
I'm glad you like your 7800GS though and frankly, do not believe your IQ claims about your GeForce1 - I had one of them too right around the time Ultima Ascension launched and thanks to a mate saw the difference in IQ between GeForce & Radeon first hand (also tried a Voodoo 3 & 4 on that game out of my own pocket) - I'll let you guess which graphics card had the best IQ...
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: dug777
So really, your main point is that YOU had a bad experience with Sapphire, and a good experience with BFG?
no you largely missed it
[except that this Thread IS all about *me* and *my experience*]
i.e - i had a bad experience with an RMA policy which drove me to purchase a 7800GS which turned out to be a very nice surprise in every way ... considering all my experience was with ATi GPUs since 2000 ... 7 continuous years of running ATi GPUs ... from my first experience with GeForce256 > 7800 series
this is a log of *my experience* - of someone labeled here as an ATi Fanboy - with a nvidia GPU ...
*my conclusion* ... both ATi and nvidia make awesome GPUs and i would not mind running EITHER in my rig[period]
--that's all--
i kinda missed that, what with all the bitching about Sapphire
I would have thought it patently obvious to someone of even the meanest intellect that both companies provide excellent graphics solutions (and have done for a long time now). You were obviously more of a fanboy than you would like to think if you honestly expected any real surprises, or worse still, were actually surprised by the nvidia card
EDIT: i've been back and forth between them for years, and while i've honestly enjoyed my ATI cards a little more than my nvidia cards, bang/buck in the AGP market meant i've ended up with a 6600GT and then a 6800GS, both of which have been more than adequate
i didn't *say* i expected any "real surprises" ... nor was i actually surprised by the nvidia card
you have a nasty habit of reading "into" my posts what i did NOT say
i did say i was "pleasantly" surprised ... which is a real difference ...
. . . i heard about "shimmering" and other IQ "issues" that simply don't exist as "advertised" by the other team. ... these are things you see for yourself ... not depend on second hand reports for.
my experience was was limited to ati cards simply because of my "timing" of my purchase ... i DID want a 6800u and actually bought my current TT PS in anticipation of getting it ... it ultimately turned out to be expensive compared to what i bought ... i got my 9800xt for a "song" [relatively] ... and a $200 x850xt last January was too good of a deal to pass up...
... just like this one ... my 7800GS for $160 after MIR ...
awesome bang-for buck and the only "real [good] surprise" being its awesome +value+
================
i labeled myself ? !! ?
:Q
i WAS *labeled* here ... no biggie ... now i expect another label will be applied ...
[the ATi guys are *suspicious* of me now - haven't noticed?] :roll:
*immature?* ... sure ... and you "were" at least as bad ... occasionally
[do i need to *remind* you ? ... taking Huddy's breath away ... *cough*]
i believe you already addressed my original Geforce Purchase back in '00 by saying the ASUS sdr i bought was inferior to other GeForce manufacturers in IQ
that card's IQ was *inferior* to my RageFury32 and especially the Radeon 64 DDR
anyway, this thread was a re-evaluation of a single nvidia GPU after having ATi in my rig for 6 continuous years
... and my 7800GS OC is a *keeper*
and now we know there will be a DX10 G84 in AGP to replace it
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37790
i *wont* be getting that one ... PCIe2, baby
You believe wrong. I never said any such thing to you. You probably overpaid fairly drastically for that ASUS card though. Physical IQ ( VGA / PCB signal filtering) should have been quite good considering it was an ASUS. I had an Innovision GF1 SDR, then a Hercules GF2 Pro. Thankfully neither suffered the Physical IQ troubles some cheaper geforce cards did at the time.
About the Huddy comments, I don't care what you or keys think of them. Huddy was (and is) an obnoxious traitor. In some ways I'd like to see ATi completely fail just so I could watch him go crawling back to nvidia to try and get a job there again (would love to be a fly on the wall in such a meeting)...
i *thought* you said the ASUS GeForce SDR with SGRAM had an inferior IQ to other nvidia partners cards ... perhaps it was someone else ... but i did not "make it up" ... that's what i was *told*
as to *overpaid* ... actually i got it *free* ... just cost of shipping ...
[i got a free *extra* PIII 600 from intel i used in an even trade for the ASUS]
you don't have to *explain* yourself ... i was pointing out *one example* where you "have" demonstrated immaturity here
[*also* - if you like]
and i also know you really don't want AMD to fail
:Q
No, it would be sad if ATI managed to drag AMD down with them. Yet I fear that's precisely what will happen. I still can't believe AMD's stupidity in purchasing ATI in the first place.
By the way, regarding Huddy, I don't think it's coincidence that nvidia's PR started improving & ATI's PR began it's descent into the sewer when Huddy left nvidia for ati...
By the way, regarding Huddy, I don't think it's coincidence that nvidia's PR started improving & ATI's PR began it's descent into the sewer when Huddy left nvidia for ati...
beyond sad
--it would be *tragic*
and i believe AMD *had to* ... they took one of the Biggest Gambles in our modern day ... i am hoping for them a *miracle* to keep competitive with intel and nvidia.
and i think, perhaps you should be *greatful* to Huddy.
really ... think about it
--what if he stayed at nvidia?
:Q
:laugh:
ATi might have had great marketing and nvidia would be faltering now
--probably not ... but look at it another way. ... and let the rage go
anger leads to the dark side
:roll:
they *will survive* IF:
1) they can get r600 out soon ... i know if i were a 'partner' i'd be at least looking at greener pastures
2) Barcelona *must be* at least competitive with intel's CPU
i think they have real issues with both and are making DAMN SURE they don't screw up either of their launches
i think the "better late then problems later" maxim came into play here and they are finally playing it *safe*
from what i gather, r600 is supposed to embarrass 8800gtX ... if something came up to not make it happen then they must wait to fix it and now risk facing both mature drivers and 8900.
. . . or so i gather
my opinion may be worthless
--but it's *mine*
:heart:
It has certainly never been obvious to me that an CPU company needed to acquire any graphics company.
Both Intel & AMD already have SIMD FPU processors in the form of SSE / 3DNow! All they need to do is expand these units (something I suggested well before the acquisition).
Both Intel & AMD already have SIMD FPU processors in the form of SSE / 3DNow! All they need to do is expand these units (something I suggested well before the acquisition).
What has Larabee got to do with implementation details?
As I said, CPU's already have SIMD that can be developed, duplicated etc as required to take on any desired arithmetic load (all GPU's really are is clumps (quads) of SIMD units.
*They* thought so ... that is what happened
--and aren't you *ultimately glad* that Huddy left nvidia for ATi ?
If AMD & Intel find themselves behind in SIMD development compared to GPU companies they only have themselves to blame....
What has AMD ***really*** done different with K8 since it introduction? played with its socket a little and upped the clocks is about all... Shameful really.
What has AMD ***really*** done different with K8 since it introduction? played with its socket a little and upped the clocks is about all... Shameful really.
AMD *coasted* when they could have really put a hurt on intel with A64 on
... in contrast, ATi was never really in that position ... even with r300, though they could have been
-- if they knew how to market their product
--more stupid then shameful
and i guess you will *never forgive* Huddy ... even though his departure *helped* nvidia
--i tried
Whether his departure ultimately helped nvidia or not,his actions immediately after leaving nvidia and joining ati were despicable, uncalled for and unneeded; and that is a mature view of the situation. Sadly it is very difficult to spot traitors and thieves in your company until after they have damaged you, nvidia is hardly unique here. Once again, I'm happy to stand by what I wrote - I'm not ashamed of it.
i understand *bitter*
--he was an *insider* at nvidia and used/uses that knowledge against them
i will let it go and stop asking you about it ... but the whole discussion started with the word *immaturity* - applied by you to me
I'm way too lazy to dig up the post in question (but I believe I suggested you needed psychiactric help in my next post), but, compared even to my Huddy post yours was *very* immature.
'nuff said on the issue.
'nuff said on the issue.
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