A Tale of two Disasters -- and two Responses

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Can you say "DAMN RIGHT!"
Illegally? Yep, and out come the true colors.....
Which I might add is why I didnt donate. Thanks for proving my point.

You prove the terrorists point. Targetting the 4000 people killed on 9/11 for an act of a few. If you generalize, why can't the terrorists? Innocent people are innocent people regardless of nationality, race, creed or religion.

Because the innocents killed in Iraq are a result of the war, brought about by the innocents killed in the 9/11 attacks. Without 9/11, we wouldnt be in Iraq. They brought it on themselves.
i use they in a general sense, but then again you could say I'm one of those "ignorant" people who dont differentiate between the good they and bad they.
its just they, and they are the enemy. Each and every one of them.

Thats ridiculous. Are you are saying the thousands killed in Iraq were directly resposible for 9/11. No one can prove that even Saddam was.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Can you say "DAMN RIGHT!"
Illegally? Yep, and out come the true colors.....
Which I might add is why I didnt donate. Thanks for proving my point.

You prove the terrorists point. Targetting the 4000 people killed on 9/11 for an act of a few. If you generalize, why can't the terrorists? Innocent people are innocent people regardless of nationality, race, creed or religion.

Because the innocents killed in Iraq are a result of the war, brought about by the innocents killed in the 9/11 attacks. Without 9/11, we wouldnt be in Iraq. They brought it on themselves.
i use they in a general sense, but then again you could say I'm one of those "ignorant" people who dont differentiate between the good they and bad they.
its just they, and they are the enemy. Each and every one of them.

Actually, we went to Afghanistan to get Osama because of 9/11, not Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with the war. We went to Iraq because Saddam had been screwing around with the UN for decades and three independant soverign nations (Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt) among others said Iraq had WMD's, which we found (VX gas).

 

[TallBill]

For fvcks sake people, learn to quote without quoting every quote thats been quoted.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Islam is a religion not a faith.

:laugh: and that changes what? Nothing. A religion has to be followed. You can't say "I'm a christian" then not follow the teachings of Christ. You can't say that you're a Muslim if you don't follow the teachings of the Muslim faith/religion/WHAT THE ****** EVER.

Then 99.5% of the "so-called" muslims arent muslims

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Are you going to answer my questions?

I did. You can't say "Bush is not an American" because of his actions in life. He's an American because he was born within the boundaries of the United States. Your question was ****** stupid. :roll:

Thats my point :roll:

Anybody who embraces Islam is a muslim, that is if he recites the "kalimatusshadat" ...Then again Islam is a religion, not a faith.

Those who embrace Islam would not be acting like terrorists because what the terrorists are doing directly conflicts with Islam teachings.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Then 99.5% of the "so-called" muslims arent muslims

If you say so.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

edit: uncalled for.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Are you going to answer my questions?

I did. You can't say "Bush is not an American" because of his actions in life. He's an American because he was born within the boundaries of the United States. Your question was ****** stupid. :roll:

Thats my point :roll:

Anybody who embraces Islam is a muslim, that is if he recites the "kalimatusshadat" ...Then again Islam is a religion, not a faith.

Those who embrace Islam would not be acting like terrorists because what the terrorists are doing directly conflicts with Islam teachings.

exactly! Their doing it in the name of Islam has only caused suffering for muslims.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i want to slit Specop 007's throat...then hear him struggle to get his last bloody breath. its ok tho, cause you're one of 'them' you know, just like you i dont differentiate between the good them and the bad them, so you are just a bad 'them' to me.

What is your problem?

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

No, I hate those lunatics, they are partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims as well as the deaths of those occupant soliders killed since the beginning of Afghan and Iraq war. If I get the chance stop them by any way I can, I'll do anything to do so, and so will all the victims of the war, and the 99% of the Muslim population of the world that is now viewed as terrorists by the rest of the world.

That's because the rest of the world is just as dumb as some of the things you've said in this thread like the terrorists being muslim and McVeigh being Christian.

And because some dumb people mention Osama as a Muslim representative, other people have to post examples of bad Westerners/Americans/Christians, to prove the point that there are black sheep everywhere, and not all Muslims/Pakistanis/Arabs are bad (just like all Christians/Westerners/Americans are not bad).

PS:
Can we please try to help those who are dying in the open? At least we can stop arguing about it. (If you want to discuss, please PM me, after all your labels like "dumb", "lunatics" for the whole Islamic world, I'm still ready to talk in a freindly manner, with an open mind, to help clear your point of view about Muslims/Pakistanis/Arabs)

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i want to slit Specop 007's throat...then hear him struggle to get his last bloody breath. its ok tho, cause you're one of 'them' you know, just like you i dont differentiate between the good them and the bad them, so you are just a bad 'them' to me.

What is your problem?

problem? what problem? Just expressing my intense hatred towards a illogical and stubborn being. Sure one can say that my approach is not the best way to change an opinion, but some people jsut arent worth the time or effort cause their bigotry is so clear cut

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: 0ptimist
Can we please try to help those who are dying in the open? At least we can stop arguing about it. (If you want to discuss, please PM me, after all your labels like "dumb", "lunatics" for the whole Islamic world, I'm still ready to talk in a freindly manner, with an open mind, to help clear your point of view about Muslims/Pakistanis/Arabs)

I didn't realize that a flamebait thread on the internet would save lives.

Anyway, this is the kind of result that you'll get with what you posted.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i want to slit Specop 007's throat...then hear him struggle to get his last bloody breath. its ok tho, cause you're one of 'them' you know, just like you i dont differentiate between the good them and the bad them, so you are just a bad 'them' to me.

What is your problem?

problem? what problem? Just expressing my intense hatred towards a illogical and stubborn being. Sure one can say that my approach is not the best way to change an opinion, but some people jsut arent worth the time or effort cause their bigotry is so clear cut

If he's not worth the time or effort, why bother? Why do you hate some random stranger over the internet?

Good thing to know that you hate illogical stubborn people, though. You must hate yourself the most.

 

[Specop 007]

First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i want to slit Specop 007's throat...then hear him struggle to get his last bloody breath. its ok tho, cause you're one of 'them' you know, just like you i dont differentiate between the good them and the bad them, so you are just a bad 'them' to me.

What is your problem?

problem? what problem? Just expressing my intense hatred towards a illogical and stubborn being. Sure one can say that my approach is not the best way to change an opinion, but some people jsut arent worth the time or effort cause their bigotry is so clear cut

If he's not worth the time or effort, why bother? Why do you hate some random stranger over the internet?

Good thing to know that you hate illogical stubborn people, though. You must hate yourself the most.

a guy that points out each and every time a thread is posted in teh wrong forum is telling me what is and isnt worth time and effort. hey kid, this is a waste a time, not what i posted earlier...that was a release for me. this here is a waste of time, arguing with a chunky and pasty know it all who is telling me what is worth my time.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
a guy that points out each and every time a thread is posted in teh wrong forum is telling me what is and isnt worth time and effort. hey kid, this is a waste a time, not what i posted earlier...that was a release for me. this here is a waste of time, arguing with a chunky and pasty know it all who is telling me what is worth my time.

You said he's not worth it, not me. Thanks for playing, though!

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i want to slit Specop 007's throat...then hear him struggle to get his last bloody breath. its ok tho, cause you're one of 'them' you know, just like you i dont differentiate between the good them and the bad them, so you are just a bad 'them' to me.

Could I construe that to be a direct threat against my life??

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

1) You don't see those leaders lashing out against the extremist terrorists because you don't pay enough attention -and what attention you do pay, you pay it to American media that has an agenda.

2) We never went to Iraq because of it's "tactical" anything. :roll:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i want to slit Specop 007's throat...then hear him struggle to get his last bloody breath. its ok tho, cause you're one of 'them' you know, just like you i dont differentiate between the good them and the bad them, so you are just a bad 'them' to me.

Could I construe that to be a direct threat against my life??

Threats of physical violence over the phone, written, and internet are federal offenses, ya know.

Not that he'd actually be able to do anything, but he's committed a felony. If the FBI doesn't want to bother, I'm sure his ISP would love to know what he's doing.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

1) You don't see those leaders lashing out against the extremist terrorists because you don't pay enough attention -and what attention you do pay, you pay it to American media that has an agenda.

2) We never went to Iraq because of it's "tactical" anything. :roll:

isnt there an al-jezerra english network thats supposed to be pretty decent?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

1) You don't see those leaders lashing out against the extremist terrorists because you don't pay enough attention -and what attention you do pay, you pay it to American media that has an agenda.

2) We never went to Iraq because of it's "tactical" anything. :roll:

Well, you've certainly done a WONDERFUL job of refuting my post. Amazing. once again I repeat...
I see a lack of Muslim leaders speaking out against osama.

As for Iraq, you obviously havent looked at the situation in a tactical way. Thats ok, keeping that post count rising probably takes up a good deal of your time and you havent had time to look for the entire picture.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

but why do you feel that all muslims need to be grouped in teh same category?

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I see a lack of Muslim leaders speaking out against osama.

And I saw a lot of Muslim leaders spoke out against osama after 9/11, but I didn't see that projected in the media as much as Osama's words were.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

1) You don't see those leaders lashing out against the extremist terrorists because you don't pay enough attention -and what attention you do pay, you pay it to American media that has an agenda.

2) We never went to Iraq because of it's "tactical" anything. :roll:

Well, you've certainly done a WONDERFUL job of refuting my post. Amazing. once again I repeat...
I see a lack of Muslim leaders speaking out against osama.

As for Iraq, you obviously havent looked at the situation in a tactical way. Thats ok, keeping that post count rising probably takes up a good deal of your time and you havent had time to look for the entire picture.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, my friend.

There have been threads on this very forum talking about the Islamic teachers (Shaek or however you spell it) visiting the prisoners at Abu.

It doesn't matter what strategic position the US can hold by occupying Iraq. That's not why we are there. That's not why we are there. That's not why we haven't left yet. You're full of poop.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Specop 007
First off, I admit I'm a bigot. Thats more then most will do.

Secondly, "They" (in terms of my previous post) are Muslims. And (In my opinion) they are the enemy. Everyone shoves this PC crap down my throat about how Muslims as a whole dont support the ideas of Osama and his kind, and yet I see very few Muslim leaders and countries actually speak out against what he does. VERY few. Its hard for me to believe Muslims as a group are the "Religion of Peace" when all of them sit back and dont voice any outrage in regards to the actions a few of them take. Call it guilt by association.

As for going to iraq, if you havent looked at it tactically you wouldnt understand why we're there.

but why do you feel that all muslims need to be grouped in teh same category?

The same reason that the OP thinks that people like McVeigh are Christians, etc.