A Tale of two Disasters -- and two Responses

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Oh, so 1 mosque in 1 country is representative of the religion the world over?? You and I both know thats a load of smoke.

No, but the leader of the mosque should share the same basic principles of the religion that the rest of the mosques do.

You're just being stupid now.

Once again your missing the point.

So, here we go (again).

Lets use America as an example. You can get 100,000 people to march to the White House lawn to support gun control. Out of a population of what, 500 million?

Now your telling me that a religion with a population of what, 2 billion? cant organize an effective Anti terrorism campaign?? Please. If the Islamic community as a whole truly did not beileve in the actions of the terrorists and was speaking out against it there would be no way we wouldnt hear about it, because 2 billion voices speaking out cannot be ignored. CANNOT BE IGNORED.

So I ask (once again)....Where is the huge outcry from Muslims against terrorism?

You're hopeless.

ME?!

You've been unable to refute ANYTHING I've said. You simply ignore it. You STILL havent addressed my little tactical education post in regards to why we're in Iraq. you simply ignored it.

You STILL cant disprove my theory that Islam by and large supports the acts of terrorism, and I provided an example on why that is. because we dont see a huge outcry.

And yet you parrot on about how I'M hopeless???

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

Originally posted by: TallBill
Wow, here goes 2 loonies quoting each other 19 times again.

Even more impressive are the 19 lunatics who keep asking the same questions again.

Now read here:

Originally posted by: 0ptimist
The problem is that you hear only what CNN/FOX have to say, that these words weren't projected in the Western media as much as Osama's were.

You should try google sometimes Google search for 'Muslim leaders spak against Osama Did you see any Muslim leaders that appreciated Osama? (How many are there, if any? And how many Muslims are in favor of them?)

PS:
Can we please try to help those who are dying in the open? At least we can stop arguing about it. (If you want to discuss, please PM me, after all your labels like "dumb", "lunatics" for the whole Islamic world, I'm still ready to talk in a freindly manner, with an open mind, to help clear your point of view about Muslims/Pakistanis/Arabs)

Orig
nally posted by: 0ptimist
The problem is that you hear only what CNN/FOX have to say, that these words weren't projected in the Western media as much as Osama's were.

You should try google sometimes Google search for 'Muslim leaders spak against Osama Did you see any Muslim leaders that appreciated Osama? (How many are there, if any? And how many Muslims are in favor of them?)

PS:
Can we please try to help those who are dying in the open? At least we can stop arguing about it. (If you want to discuss, please PM me, after all your labels like "dumb", "lunatics" for the whole Islamic world, I'm still ready to talk in a freindly manner, with an open mind, to help clear your point of view about Muslims/Pakistanis/Arabs)

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nallyMuslims/Pakistanis/Arabs)[/b]

Orig
nally posted by: 0ptimist
The problem is that you hear only what CNN/FOX have to say, that these words weren't projected in the Western media as much as Osama's were.

You should try google sometimes Google search for 'Muslim leaders spak against Osama Did you see any Muslim leaders that appreciated Osama? (How many are there, if any? And how many Muslims are in favor of them?)

PS:
Can we please try to help those who are dying in the open? At least we can stop arguing about it. (If you want to discuss, please PM me, after all your labels like "dumb", "lunatics" for the whole Islamic world, I'm still ready to talk in a freindly manner, with an open mind, to help clear your point of view about Muslims/Pakistanis/Arabs)

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Oh, so 1 mosque in 1 country is representative of the religion the world over?? You and I both know thats a load of smoke.

No, but the leader of the mosque should share the same basic principles of the religion that the rest of the mosques do.

You're just being stupid now.

Once again your missing the point.

So, here we go (again).

Lets use America as an example. You can get 100,000 people to march to the White House lawn to support gun control. Out of a population of what, 500 million?

Now your telling me that a religion with a population of what, 2 billion? cant organize an effective Anti terrorism campaign?? Please. If the Islamic community as a whole truly did not beileve in the actions of the terrorists and was speaking out against it there would be no way we wouldnt hear about it, because 2 billion voices speaking out cannot be ignored. CANNOT BE IGNORED.

So I ask (once again)....Where is the huge outcry from Muslims against terrorism?

You're an idiot.

Muslims did condem 9.11.

What do you want them to do? Condem it every day?
Lol.

Get a life. They have one you obviously think they dont and should hold marches every year for something they had no part of and something that didnt impact their life at all.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
thats a valid question...but then agian, if you deem it hopeless it must be so.

I've given him a good place to start looking for the outcry that the US media doesn't care to display and yet he simply refuses to bother. I'm not going to argue with him all night over it.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
ME?!

You've been unable to refute ANYTHING I've said. You simply ignore it. You STILL havent addressed my little tactical education post in regards to why we're in Iraq. you simply ignored it.

You STILL cant disprove my theory that Islam by and large supports the acts of terrorism, and I provided an example on why that is. because we dont see a huge outcry.

And yet you parrot on about how I'M hopeless???

Ignore what? I've addressed much of what you've posted. Do I have links? Of course not. I'm too lazy to bother, just like you're too lazy to bother posting anything to prove any of your points. :roll: Hell you can't even understand that just because you don't see a huge outcry against terrorism that it doesn't automatically mean that all islamic religion members are terrorists. That's just downright ignorant.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

[/quote]

That doesnt strike me as a "huge outcry". A few leaders here and there isnt a huge outcry.
If the general Islamic community as a whole, all 2 billion or whatever ridiculously large number it is, banded together and really and truly spoke out against terrorism theres no one on the planet who would be able to ignore that oucry. You simply CANNOT ignore 2 billion voices speaking out. Its impossible. Not even the Americam MSM can cover that up.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

That doesnt strike me as a "huge outcry". A few leaders here and there isnt a huge outcry.
If the general Islamic community as a whole, all 2 billion or whatever ridiculously large number it is, banded together and really and truly spoke out against terrorism theres no one on the planet who would be able to ignore that oucry. You simply CANNOT ignore 2 billion voices speaking out. Its impossible. Not even the Americam MSM can cover that up.[/quote]

Why should they?

They already do. Leaders represent the people.

People have no reason to hold marches for stuff that happened on 9.11 .

Why? They didnt do it. Nobody is after them. Their daily life was not impacted.

Why should they take time out of their life to hold marches? So people like you can be happy? People that live thousands of miles away? LOL

 

[Conky]

Excellent thread! :thumbsup:

And to throw fuel on the fire...

1) Pakistan has nuclear weapons so why must they now beg for charity? Perhaps the amount of money they spent becoming part of the "nuclear club" to mess with India may have been better spent. Maybe India can give them a loan? Or surely one of the Arab Emirates can spare some change for some fellow muslims in need.

2) It is widely agreed that Pakistan is where Osama BL is hiding and allowed sanctuary. How about let us in to capture/kill that criminal? We would be more likely to donate money to a country that didn't sympathize with terrorists.

3) And as others have pointed out.. the silence is deafening when it comes to hearing Muslims in the mainstream speak poorly of the terrorists and their acts... they never fully condemn the terrorists. The statements are always qualified with some nonsense about US/Israeli policies shifting the blame away from the people who are only doing this to get laid(72 virgins, etc.. man, how dumb do you have to be to fall for that?).

:beer:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
ME?!

You've been unable to refute ANYTHING I've said. You simply ignore it. You STILL havent addressed my little tactical education post in regards to why we're in Iraq. you simply ignored it.

You STILL cant disprove my theory that Islam by and large supports the acts of terrorism, and I provided an example on why that is. because we dont see a huge outcry.

And yet you parrot on about how I'M hopeless???

Ignore what? I've addressed much of what you've posted. Do I have links? Of course not. I'm too lazy to bother, just like you're too lazy to bother posting anything to prove any of your points. :roll: Hell you can't even understand that just because you don't see a huge outcry against terrorism that it doesn't automatically mean that all islamic religion members are terrorists. That's just downright ignorant.

Ignore me posting why, for tactical reasons, we're in Iraq. Did you miss it?

As for ignorance, how about this. If I was a Muslim, and I knew that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims reflected poorly on me, why in the hell would I sit back quietly?!

Its in the Islamic communities best interest to have a unified, visible front against the terrorists and their actions. They do not. Why not? They pay, at best, lip service to the "Oh, well, *we* dont beileve in terrorism" but I havent seen any real unified voice against the terrorist actions. And with 2 billion members you'd think it wouldnt be that hard.
My example? The marches on the Whtie House lawn. Groups comrpised of a few million members can rally tens of thousands of people to march ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.
A group with 2 BILLION members.....*crickets*........

Tell me again the Islamic community as a whole doesnt support the actions of the terrorists against the West. Cause as much as you say it, it doesnt make it so. And until I see a unified front from the majority of those 2 BILLION people.........

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

That doesnt strike me as a "huge outcry". A few leaders here and there isnt a huge outcry.
If the general Islamic community as a whole, all 2 billion or whatever ridiculously large number it is, banded together and really and truly spoke out against terrorism theres no one on the planet who would be able to ignore that oucry. You simply CANNOT ignore 2 billion voices speaking out. Its impossible. Not even the Americam MSM can cover that up.[/quote]

Oh, I get it. You want a miracle. K.

Maybe these people, who seem to be significantly more intelligent than some unnamed people on these forums *COUGH*SPECOP997*COUGH*, simply want to go on with their lives instead of bother trying to get on the news to inform some dumbass on the internet that he's wrong?

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Nik
Ignored by bias American media. Try walking into a mosque and asking.

O
h, so 1 mosque in 1 country is representative of the religion the world over?? You and I both know thats a load of smoke.

Oh, and if CNN/FOX don't tell you the other half of the story, and you don't watch Arabic or English Al-Jazeera News, where else should someone suggest you to go?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

That doesnt strike me as a "huge outcry". A few leaders here and there isnt a huge outcry.
If the general Islamic community as a whole, all 2 billion or whatever ridiculously large number it is, banded together and really and truly spoke out against terrorism theres no one on the planet who would be able to ignore that oucry. You simply CANNOT ignore 2 billion voices speaking out. Its impossible. Not even the Americam MSM can cover that up.

Why should they?

They already do. Leaders represent the people.

People have no reason to hold marches for stuff that happened on 9.11 .

Why? They didnt do it. Nobody is after them. Their daily life was not impacted.

Why should they take time out of their life to hold marches? So people like you can be happy? People that live thousands of miles away? LOL

[/quote]

Why should they march?
Because they dont support terrorist actions.

By your own words wne could say since they dont take time out of thier life to speak out against their own people cimmitting atrocities, then they must support those who commit them.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Ignore me posting why, for tactical reasons, we're in Iraq. Did you miss it?

No, I didn't miss it. I've addressed it.

As for ignorance, how about this. If I was a Muslim, and I knew that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims reflected poorly on me, why in the hell would I sit back quietly?!

Good question. Why don't you ask all 2 million of them before making a premature, immature judgement on them all as to their reasons?

...Cause as much as you say it, it doesnt make it so.

That works both ways unless you're an ignorant bigot. Guess that explains why you don't get it.

And until I see a unified front from the majority of those 2 BILLION people.........

Yeah, when was the last time a third of the world's population managed to get on your local news channel to make sure you understood some simple common sense?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
ME?!

You've been unable to refute ANYTHING I've said. You simply ignore it. You STILL havent addressed my little tactical education post in regards to why we're in Iraq. you simply ignored it.

You STILL cant disprove my theory that Islam by and large supports the acts of terrorism, and I provided an example on why that is. because we dont see a huge outcry.

And yet you parrot on about how I'M hopeless???

Ignore what? I've addressed much of what you've posted. Do I have links? Of course not. I'm too lazy to bother, just like you're too lazy to bother posting anything to prove any of your points. :roll: Hell you can't even understand that just because you don't see a huge outcry against terrorism that it doesn't automatically mean that all islamic religion members are terrorists. That's just downright ignorant.

Ignore me posting why, for tactical reasons, we're in Iraq. Did you miss it?

As for ignorance, how about this. If I was a Muslim, and I knew that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims reflected poorly on me, why in the hell would I sit back quietly?!

Its in the Islamic communities best interest to have a unified, visible front against the terrorists and their actions. They do not. Why not? They pay, at best, lip service to the "Oh, well, *we* dont beileve in terrorism" but I havent seen any real unified voice against the terrorist actions. And with 2 billion members you'd think it wouldnt be that hard.
My example? The marches on the Whtie House lawn. Groups comrpised of a few million members can rally tens of thousands of people to march ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.
A group with 2 BILLION members.....*crickets*........

Tell me again the Islamic community as a whole doesnt support the actions of the terrorists against the West. Cause as much as you say it, it doesnt make it so. And until I see a unified front from the majority of those 2 BILLION people.........

Islamic communities in the U.S have all said they are against terrorist.

Why? Because they are the minority and the U.S was attacked.

Islamic communities in ... Kuwait have no reason to say squat because it is a different world and they dont give a damn what people in the U.S think of them.

Do you care what people in Canada think of you or France? No.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

That doesnt strike me as a "huge outcry". A few leaders here and there isnt a huge outcry.
If the general Islamic community as a whole, all 2 billion or whatever ridiculously large number it is, banded together and really and truly spoke out against terrorism theres no one on the planet who would be able to ignore that oucry. You simply CANNOT ignore 2 billion voices speaking out. Its impossible. Not even the Americam MSM can cover that up.

Oh, I get it. You want a miracle. K.

Maybe these people, who seem to be significantly more intelligent than some unnamed people on these forums *COUGH*SPECOP997*COUGH*, simply want to go on with their lives instead of bother trying to get on the news to inform some dumbass on the internet that he's wrong?[/quote]

LOL
A miracle. Right. Your still not making any logical points. But whatever. Keep working on that post count.

Oh, and review that Middle East map and what I said in that post. Maybe you can walk away from this thread a bit smarter. Based on what I've seen though, I doubt it.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
By your own words wne could say since they dont take time out of thier life to speak out against their own people cimmitting atrocities, then they must support those who commit them.

That is the absolute ****** stupidest thing I have ever heard. Do everyone else a favor and educate yourself.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007

And most impressive of all is neither one of you has done anything to refute my claim that the majority of Muslim leaders and members support Islamic terrorists.

Even more impressive is that the media doesn't give voice to the Muslim leaders who denounce Osama, and that so ignorant that you don't read from a reply that has already been posted.

That doesnt strike me as a "huge outcry". A few leaders here and there isnt a huge outcry.
If the general Islamic community as a whole, all 2 billion or whatever ridiculously large number it is, banded together and really and truly spoke out against terrorism theres no one on the planet who would be able to ignore that oucry. You simply CANNOT ignore 2 billion voices speaking out. Its impossible. Not even the Americam MSM can cover that up.

Why should they?

They already do. Leaders represent the people.

People have no reason to hold marches for stuff that happened on 9.11 .

Why? They didnt do it. Nobody is after them. Their daily life was not impacted.

Why should they take time out of their life to hold marches? So people like you can be happy? People that live thousands of miles away? LOL

Why should they march?
Because they dont support terrorist actions.

By your own words wne could say since they dont take time out of thier life to speak out against their own people cimmitting atrocities, then they must support those who commit them.[/quote]

The ones in the U.S have marched.

Their own people?
Religion doesn't link people. Especially Islam which has many different sects.

 

[Sultan]

wow, i thought i was in P&N

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
LOL
A miracle. Right. Your still not making any logical points. But whatever. Keep working on that post count.

Oh, and review that Middle East map and what I said in that post. Maybe you can walk away from this thread a bit smarter. Based on what I've seen though, I doubt it.

I don't need a map to learn about tactics. I've got friends in the military all over the country, met through my job as a military contractor, to help me with that. They'd all tell you that you're full of ******.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
By your own words wne could say since they dont take time out of thier life to speak out against their own people cimmitting atrocities, then they must support those who commit them.

That is the absolute ****** stupidest thing I have ever heard. Do everyone else a favor and educate yourself.

Pot meet kettle Mr. Tactical. :disgust:

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
By your own words wne could say since they dont take time out of thier life to speak out against their own people cimmitting atrocities, then they must support those who commit them.

That is the absolute ****** stupidest thing I have ever heard. Do everyone else a favor and educate yourself.

Or do mankind a favor and become celibate?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Sultan
wow, i thought i was in P&N

No,
just Specop 007 being an idiot as usual. He hates 2 billion people and he is trying to get the other 2 billion of his own people to hate the other 2 billion but he sucks at it.

 

[Sultan]

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[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Sultan
Donate two layer Water-Proof Canvas 13'x13' Military Grade tents for Quake victims.
Each tent costs $89. You can sponsor additional tents in large quantities by calling 732-593-7017. supplier can deliver 750 tents per week

I would much rather donate money to my own failing community here in Oregon than bother with people who I will never know and, honestly, can't appreciate more than simply understanding that they're humans suffering.

Humans suffer every day but I care more about my own community than I do an entire country anywhere else in the world.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: FallenHero
You are questioning the charity of the country that gives the MOST by FAR to worthy causes around the world?

thats incorrect...out of developed countries, america gives the lowest as a percentage of GDP...but who's counting right?

First, that's an inaccurate method to judge charity because the US government does not control as much as the GDP as other countries - the US has less taxes. It should be based upon the government's budget or something better.

Second, the statistic you are using is only one type of aid.

Third, most of the other countries in the OECD are European countries providing aid for other European countries - basically themselves (the EU). Most of the countries they send aid to are not among the poorest in the world.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Specop 007
By your own words wne could say since they dont take time out of thier life to speak out against their own people cimmitting atrocities, then they must support those who commit them.

That is the absolute ****** stupidest thing I have ever heard. Do everyone else a favor and educate yourself.

Pot meet kettle Mr. Tactical. :disgust:

Hey dude, why dont you organize a march for killing hundreds of thousands of innocents in Vietnam, Iraq, Grenada and countless other nations, all illegally?