A Tale of two Disasters -- and two Responses

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Please do not reply with the same comments again, and I apologize once again if you feel aggravated by my message, please help by spreading more awareness about the need of aid, (and please read more about it if you don't realize how big it is, and how little aid/attention it has received from the developed countries, compared in context to their economy and their contribution to tsunami). Thanks.

Did you post a message to forums with non American Muslims asking them to donate to Katrina relief? Or are you just trying to dig up some American support for Muslim countries?

As for the other part, your message doesnt really aggrevate me. I'm very much used to the world trashing talking us, until they need something then they show up looking for help. Seems to be par for the course. Trash talk, blow up buildings, then ask for help.

And as I said, I dont care to help them. I have no desire, not even an inkling of compassion, for what happens to those people. None whatsoever. Every last one of them could be sucked into a vortex and flung to the far reaches of the galaxy, freeze to death on a mountain slope or win the Powerball and all of them could live happily ever after with big mansions and fast cars. It just doesnt register on my radar.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

It's sad, but apparently race and/or religion has played a huge part in media coverage and relief aid from both individuals and governments. Not opening fire at anyone, I just want to create more awareness, please help in any way you can. I apologize in advance if I have offended you in any way.

You offer nothing to support this for American donors, so it's wild-guess flamebait.

From "When One Tragedy Gets More Sympathy Than Another"
(Link)
Private donations by Americans totaled $13.1 million for earthquake victims, according to The Chronicle of Philanthropy. In comparison, Americans doled out $1.3 billion for the tsunami victims and roughly $2 billion for their own after Hurricane Katrina.

And this fact actually argues against your wild guess. Americans had already donated 0.7 billion more this year for katrina than for the tsunami, yet you expect us to magically come up with an extra 1 billion in donations for the earthquake on top of that.

People in America are not rolling in money, and our government is running record deficits even before spending tens of billions to deal with our own disasters.

Only if Bush had not wasted billions on illegal wars :/

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: zerocool1
bump

Thank you, it's really appreciated.

Are you going to answer my questions?

Are you going to realize that I've been constantly posting replies to many questions already? Can you please read my posts and point out which questions of yours are left unanswered?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i see where optimist is coming on from i'm going to go off-topic and say that pakistans 'neighbor' is quite capable and willing to help. perhaps not blowing up stuff and getting off their collective pakistani high-horses would only lead to help the people.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Can you say "DAMN RIGHT!"
Illegally? Yep, and out come the true colors.....
Which I might add is why I didnt donate. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Please do not reply with the same comments again, and I apologize once again if you feel aggravated by my message, please help by spreading more awareness about the need of aid, (and please read more about it if you don't realize how big it is, and how little aid/attention it has received from the developed countries, compared in context to their economy and their contribution to tsunami). Thanks.

Did you post a message to forums with non American Muslims asking them to donate to Katrina relief? Or are you just trying to dig up some American support for Muslim countries?

As for the other part, your message doesnt really aggrevate me. I'm very much used to the world trashing talking us, until they need something then they show up looking for help. Seems to be par for the course. Trash talk, blow up buildings, then ask for help.

And as I said, I dont care to help them. I have no desire, not even an inkling of compassion, for what happens to those people. None whatsoever. Every last one of them could be sucked into a vortex and flung to the far reaches of the galaxy, freeze to death on a mountain slope or win the Powerball and all of them could live happily ever after with big mansions and fast cars. It just doesnt register on my radar.

Katrina was a less devestating disaster by many folds. Besides, americans can help themselves, Pakistanis can't.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

No, I hate those lunatics, they are partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims as well as the deaths of those occupant soliders killed since the beginning of Afghan and Iraq war. If I get the chance stop them by any way I can, I'll do anything to do so, and so will all the victims of the war, and the 99% of the Muslim population of the world that is now viewed as terrorists by the rest of the world.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: zerocool1
bump

Thank you, it's really appreciated.

Are you going to answer my questions?

Are you going to realize that I've been constantly posting replies to many questions already? Can you please read my posts and point out which questions of yours are left unanswered?

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

No, I hate those lunatics, they are partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Muslims as well as the deaths of those occupant soliders killed since the beginning of Afghan and Iraq war. If I get the chance stop them by any way I can, I'll do anything to do so, and so will all the victims of the war, and the 99% of the Muslim population of the world that is now viewed as terrorists by the rest of the world.

That's because the rest of the world is just as dumb as some of the things you've said in this thread like the terrorists being muslim and McVeigh being Christian.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Can you say "DAMN RIGHT!"
Illegally? Yep, and out come the true colors.....
Which I might add is why I didnt donate. Thanks for proving my point.

You prove the terrorists point. Targetting the 4000 people killed on 9/11 for an act of a few. If you generalize, why can't the terrorists? Innocent people are innocent people regardless of nationality, race, creed or religion.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Are you going to answer my questions?

 

[TallBill]

holy crap nik, almost 50k posts

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Islam is a religion not a faith.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Are you going to answer my questions?

I did. You can't say "Bush is not an American" because of his actions in life. He's an American because he was born within the boundaries of the United States. Your question was ****** stupid. :roll:

 

[KLin]

So much for discussing the natural disasters. Please move this thread to Politics and News.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

why are fundamental islamic terrorists and poor islamic villagers grouped together?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Can you say "DAMN RIGHT!"
Illegally? Yep, and out come the true colors.....
Which I might add is why I didnt donate. Thanks for proving my point.

You prove the terrorists point. Targetting the 4000 people killed on 9/11 for an act of a few. If you generalize, why can't the terrorists? Innocent people are innocent people regardless of nationality, race, creed or religion.

Because the innocents killed in Iraq are a result of the war, brought about by the innocents killed in the 9/11 attacks. Without 9/11, we wouldnt be in Iraq. They brought it on themselves.
i use they in a general sense, but then again you could say I'm one of those "ignorant" people who dont differentiate between the good they and bad they.
its just they, and they are the enemy. Each and every one of them.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Islam is a religion not a faith.

:laugh: and that changes what? Nothing. A religion has to be followed. You can't say "I'm a christian" then not follow the teachings of Christ. You can't say that you're a Muslim if you don't follow the teachings of the Muslim faith/religion/WHAT THE ****** EVER.

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

The part being discussed was "Americans and the image of Muslims", and he intended to say that you consider Bush a good American representative, one who was the cause of the killing of thousands of innocent people (just as you're putting Osama as an example of a Muslim representative, who caused the killing of thousands of innocent people, Muslims as well as non-Muslims, Americans as well as non-Americans).

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: TallBill
holy crap nik, almost 50k posts

Yeah, go figure. Those people with 20,000 more posts than I have are insane, huh!

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Can you say "DAMN RIGHT!"
Illegally? Yep, and out come the true colors.....
Which I might add is why I didnt donate. Thanks for proving my point.

You prove the terrorists point. Targetting the 4000 people killed on 9/11 for an act of a few. If you generalize, why can't the terrorists? Innocent people are innocent people regardless of nationality, race, creed or religion.

Because the innocents killed in Iraq are a result of the war, brought about by the innocents killed in the 9/11 attacks. Without 9/11, we wouldnt be in Iraq. They brought it on themselves.
i use they in a general sense, but then again you could say I'm one of those "ignorant" people who dont differentiate between the good they and bad they.
its just they, and they are the enemy. Each and every one of them.

who is they?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 0ptimist

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I ask again. Are you a Muslim?

Yes, I am, and I don't wish all Americans to die because of so and so reason... neither do all Muslims think so.

Do you believe that Osama and all the other LOONIES running around blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of Allah are Muslim?

Do you beleive Bush who has killed thousands illegally in Iraq an american?

Faith and nationality are two different things, bonehead. One you can't change. The other takes work to follow the teachings of in order to actually be a part of.

Are you going to answer my questions?

I did. You can't say "Bush is not an American" because of his actions in life. He's an American because he was born within the boundaries of the United States. Your question was ****** stupid. :roll:

Thats my point :roll:

Anybody who embraces Islam is a muslim, that is if he recites the "kalimatusshadat" ...Then again Islam is a religion, not a faith.

 

[0ptimist]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps you'd get a better response if you start over, without implying that broke Americans failed to donate out of racism or religious intolerance.

Consider the impression the topic summary and first paragraph give when read together.

Also, the article you pull the donation disparity fact from lists a number of reasons why it might have happened, most of which make more sense.

I revised it earlier as well, I'll revise it again, please suggest which part deviates from facts (for the harsh realities that are facts, please suggest revised wordings).