8800GTX to be 30% faster than ATI's X1950XTX. GTS to be about equal to it.

[Modular]

Do you think they'll release an AGP version

 

[Ronin]

They've already said that the 7800GS is likely to be the end of an era for AGP cards. I'd still take it with a grain of salt, but I find it highly unlikely that an AGP part from either company in coming generations will ever surface.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: JAG87
I think the GTX needs the extra interconnect. I cant see triple SLI or quad SLI (with 4 cards) happening.

well, ATI is doing that with 1950pro...

personally, I would much prefer multicore than multi-card. save on space + cost.

is the interconnect in gx2 duplex?

 

[XNice]

good news, but dx10 games like many have said wont be available to at least after crysis launches in 1Q07. I'm a happy 7900GTO owner and hopefully it will last me till march of next year when i'll have more than enough money to shell out for another video card. One issue that I have is that the new NV CP is gay and they better not remove the classic view for good. My only major gripe about ATI cards was their gay CCC and now NV is following suit???

I would love for the first benchmarks to come out upon release to be against SLI'd GTO's & 7950's.

I wonder what this holds for EVGA customers that have a chance to trade-in, especially if they bought the popular 79000GTO

apoppin, please keep your female squandering to private messages instead of fillin this thread with your nonsense. Many people find it annoying as it is.

 

[Brahmzy]

So, I have a real question here. And I know we can't know for sure...but going off of the 30% estimates....

I just sold my single 7900GT running at 650/1680.

In 1600x1200, how much faster (%) will a 8800GTS be than my 650/1680 7900GT was? 8800GTX?

This is all I care about...how much of an upgrade for me?

BTW, I got 11,225 in 3DMark05 - dono 'bout '06.

Any guesses?

 

[Ronin]

No one can really answer that..it'd be all speculation at this point.

 

[gundamkatana]

Why is nobody so "weak" and leaks some more interessting informations about the upcoming G80 chip like with some juicy benchmarks ^^

CAN'T WAIT, EVEN IF IT'S SOON.....


Cheers!

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Brahmzy
So, I have a real question here. And I know we can't know for sure...but going off of the 30% estimates....

I just sold my single 7900GT running at 650/1680.

In 1600x1200, how much faster (%) will a 8800GTS be than my 650/1680 7900GT was? 8800GTX?

This is all I care about...how much of an upgrade for me?

BTW, I got 11,225 in 3DMark05 - dono 'bout '06.

Any guesses?

nevermind thought u were talking about the X1950

well oranges with oranges (assuming the 30% is correct) id say it will be about 50-60% faster.

 

[Brahmzy]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: Brahmzy
So, I have a real question here. And I know we can't know for sure...but going off of the 30% estimates....

I just sold my single 7900GT running at 650/1680.

In 1600x1200, how much faster (%) will a 8800GTS be than my 650/1680 7900GT was? 8800GTX?

This is all I care about...how much of an upgrade for me?

BTW, I got 11,225 in 3DMark05 - dono 'bout '06.

Any guesses?

nevermind thought u were talking about the X1950

Bro...supposedly it's 30% faster than an X1950 - not an 7900GT. Ugh.

 

[JAG87]

I know I misread, and edited
you post too fast..

 

[Cookie Monster]

Die shot of GTS/GTX

Its really vague.

Also what i find interesting is the secondary die on the leaked images. Sound Storm 2? Physics processor?

I want the reviews!!

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Die shot of GTS/GTX

Its really vague.

Also what i find interesting is the secondary die on the leaked images. Sound Storm 2? Physics processor?

I want the reviews!!

How do we know that chip is the G80? I can't read anything on it.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Die shot of GTS/GTX

Its really vague.

Also what i find interesting is the secondary die on the leaked images. Sound Storm 2? Physics processor?

I want the reviews!!

How do we know that chip is the G80? I can't read anything on it.

LOL! Looks like someone took a bad pic of a PIII die, copied it twice, put them side-by-side, and put a blur filter on the left shot.

LAME! Go check out the pic of the "naked" G80 to see what the real die looks like.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
8800GTX naked

8800GTS naked

As I thought, Monolithic Die, maybe this can quite down all those Dual Die rumors.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
8800GTX naked

8800GTS naked

As I thought, Monolithic Die, maybe this can quite down all those Dual Die rumors.

Not that you're incorrect, but how do you get monolithic die from that? Just because it has a giant heat spreader on top doesn't mean there is only one die underneath. Whatever the case, that chip is huge.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
8800GTX naked

8800GTS naked

As I thought, Monolithic Die, maybe this can quite down all those Dual Die rumors.

Not that you're incorrect, but how do you get monolithic die from that? Just because it has a giant heat spreader on top doesn't mean there is only one die underneath. Whatever the case, that chip is huge.

Ok damn, now we have to wait even longer to find out what's what with this card.. I thought the above poster meant that this was the die shot of G80, now I find out it's the heatspreader...

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno . . . x1800 series could be considered a 'failure' ... it never overcame the late failed launch . . . ati's situation looked pretty grim until x1900 [which did have a decent launch].

looking back even further, the radeon 8500 never could overcome it's poor initial showing - even though it later managed to [nearly] catch up with the Ti series with improved drivers. . . . need i mention the DustBuster and it's failed launch and what it did for nvidia's credibility?

With R600 relatively near, ATi will release a lot of small details to help offset the "+30% performance lead" [evidently] held by g80 - as well as price drops to compete with the GTS . . . if G80 is PERCEIVED as disappointing or overpriced . . . then it WILLl 'hurt' nvidia's sales.

this launch is important . . . as noted by others . . . this "time to market" is especially important . . .

nvidia stands to gain or lose with g80 . . . more so than usual . . . it is a NextGen GPU on which many refreshes will likely be based . . . if G80 is flawed . . . bad news.

I hadn't thought about G80 being flawed and then having a whole bunch of refreshes based on that. While it sounds bad right away, it's not like those refreshes wouldn't or couldn't fix those problems. Look how far they have come with the G70. I think the biggest thing that people are overlooking including Gstanfor is the fact that we are all talking about the time to market on this G80. Gstanfor made the comment that developers will want to code with the newest card on the block for DX10. But won't ATI have the upper hand in this with the xbox360 already getting coded for by developers? Just something to think about I am not sure if that helps ATI or hurts them. The other thing I think that is going to affect the sells of G80 is the fact that just about everyone I talk to except a few on these forums are going to hold out untill R600 and then decide which one to get.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno . . . x1800 series could be considered a 'failure' ... it never overcame the late failed launch . . . ati's situation looked pretty grim until x1900 [which did have a decent launch].

looking back even further, the radeon 8500 never could overcome it's poor initial showing - even though it later managed to [nearly] catch up with the Ti series with improved drivers. . . . need i mention the DustBuster and it's failed launch and what it did for nvidia's credibility?

With R600 relatively near, ATi will release a lot of small details to help offset the "+30% performance lead" [evidently] held by g80 - as well as price drops to compete with the GTS . . . if G80 is PERCEIVED as disappointing or overpriced . . . then it WILLl 'hurt' nvidia's sales.

this launch is important . . . as noted by others . . . this "time to market" is especially important . . .

nvidia stands to gain or lose with g80 . . . more so than usual . . . it is a NextGen GPU on which many refreshes will likely be based . . . if G80 is flawed . . . bad news.

I hadn't thought about G80 being flawed and then having a whole bunch of refreshes based on that. While it sounds bad right away, it's not like those refreshes wouldn't or couldn't fix those problems. Look how far they have come with the G70. I think the biggest thing that people are overlooking including Gstanfor is the fact that we are all talking about the time to market on this G80. Gstanfor made the comment that developers will want to code with the newest card on the block for DX10. But won't ATI have the upper hand in this with the xbox360 already getting coded for by developers? Just something to think about I am not sure if that helps ATI or hurts them. The other thing I think that is going to affect the sells of G80 is the fact that just about everyone I talk to except a few on these forums are going to hold out untill R600 and then decide which one to get.

Well, I want to wait until the R600 comes out so that the G80 drops in price. I might end up getting an ATI card next time, well just have to see. Any idea when the R600 is scheduled for release?

 

[Zenoth]

Who cares about all that anyway. Even if it turns out to be true, so what, so shall it be. Wait and see, and stop loosing your time discussing about a product that isn't even released. You guys can't just wait two or three weeks for true reviews ? C'mon ... although of course I'm not surprised to see this discussion still go on, it's Anandtech after all.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Who cares about all that anyway. Even if it turns out to be true, so what, so shall it be. Wait and see, and stop loosing your time discussing about a product that isn't even released. You guys can't just wait two or three weeks for true reviews ? C'mon ...

Likewise you don't have to come into a thread and contribute nothing but how you think speculating on an upcoming product is stupid. Even if we're talking about a product that is coming very soon but not here yet, "so what, so shall it be."

Practice what you preach, that's all I'm saying.

...although of course I'm not surprised to see this discussion still go on, it's Anandtech after all.

Yeah, no other forum talks about the G80. Nowhere else. At all. Anywhere.

EDIT:

Well, I want to wait until the R600 comes out so that the G80 drops in price. I might end up getting an ATI card next time, well just have to see. Any idea when the R600 is scheduled for release?

Exactly. If the R600 comes out and beats G80 but G80 is priced lower and still performs well, it would be the same situation that will be happening soon. Nvidia will release the G80 and it will beat all, but other cards that still perform well will be cheaper, more so than what they already are. Same concept, different times.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Die shot of GTS/GTX

Its really vague.

Also what i find interesting is the secondary die on the leaked images. Sound Storm 2? Physics processor?

I want the reviews!!

There is no way known that that is what is under the heatspreader, I'm afraid.

My guess is SoundStorm II for the secondary die - physics will be handled by the ALU's in the main GPU.

 

[josh6079]

My guess is SoundStorm II for the secondary die - physics will be handled by the ALU's in the main GPU.

What exactly is that? Is it like an X-fi slapped on the 8800? If so, that'd be pretty sweet.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Actually this will be the only the second time since R200 that nvidia has managed to launch ahead of ATi in recent years. ATi's slipping release dates allowing nvidia to take the launch lead may end proving extremely costly to them. It was a very large levelling factor ATi had going for it while it lasted.

You can rest assured that nvidia finding themselves in this happy situation was no accident either.

RECENT years?

the rivalry between ATI and nVidia has take place ALL in "recent years"

Your History is plainly wrong . . . unlike you - which flatters me by posting mini errors i make in YOUR sig - you are NOT important enough for ANYone to make a sig of your errors . . . nor is there enough room in PAGEs of signatures to put 1/4 of the misleading statements, fud, hate, personal attacks, misquotes, childish name calling and outright lies you continually spew
:thumbsdown:

letsee radeon 8500 was 6 months after the GF3 release . . then GF4 Ti was out next . . . THEN r300 [ahead of nvidia]. . . then x800 [a refresh] . . . and x1800 was 6 months late

and YOu are ASSuming that g80 will be perceived a "success"
:Q

if g80 is a 'failure' or 'neutral' than ati finds themselves in a happy situation . . . that may be no accident . . . either

I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try... What is R200 the code name for? What did that chip compete againgst when it first came out? I consider anything within the last 6 years to be recent.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ronin
They've already said that the 7800GS is likely to be the end of an era for AGP cards. I'd still take it with a grain of salt, but I find it highly unlikely that an AGP part from either company in coming generations will ever surface.

i'd have to agree with you . . . however, possible future midrange AGP cards might depend on how well ATi does with the AGP x1950p . . . ati swore - two years ago - that there would be no high end AGP cards . . . yet they provided a reference design for their partners.

i'm 'in' for one ... as an AGP 'stopgap' till i get a DX10 card.

===============================================

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno . . . x1800 series could be considered a 'failure' ... it never overcame the late failed launch . . . ati's situation looked pretty grim until x1900 [which did have a decent launch].

looking back even further, the radeon 8500 never could overcome it's poor initial showing - even though it later managed to [nearly] catch up with the Ti series with improved drivers. . . . need i mention the DustBuster and it's failed launch and what it did for nvidia's credibility?

With R600 relatively near, ATi will release a lot of small details to help offset the "+30% performance lead" [evidently] held by g80 - as well as price drops to compete with the GTS . . . if G80 is PERCEIVED as disappointing or overpriced . . . then it WILLl 'hurt' nvidia's sales.

this launch is important . . . as noted by others . . . this "time to market" is especially important . . .

nvidia stands to gain or lose with g80 . . . more so than usual . . . it is a NextGen GPU on which many refreshes will likely be based . . . if G80 is flawed . . . bad news.

I hadn't thought about G80 being flawed and then having a whole bunch of refreshes based on that. While it sounds bad right away, it's not like those refreshes wouldn't or couldn't fix those problems. Look how far they have come with the G70. I think the biggest thing that people are overlooking including Gstanfor is the fact that we are all talking about the time to market on this G80. Gstanfor made the comment that developers will want to code with the newest card on the block for DX10. But won't ATI have the upper hand in this with the xbox360 already getting coded for by developers? Just something to think about I am not sure if that helps ATI or hurts them. The other thing I think that is going to affect the sells of G80 is the fact that just about everyone I talk to except a few on these forums are going to hold out untill R600 and then decide which one to get.

i think it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that G80 will be flawed . . . however, remember the [nv30] FX series that was flawed . . . they never could get it right . . . even thru the product refreshes - r300 held a big edge [as it refreshed] . . . so it is possible.

i think the only advantage ATI has is that it is their second experience with unifying the shaders . . . . and it could be a big one --or not.

everyone is waiting to see how G80 performs in DX9 games . . . it is a "success" mostly based on performance [inc. IQ, features, etc.] and how much of an improvement it is over the current gen.

 

[Gstanfor]

however, remember the [nv30] FX series that was flawed . . . they never could get it right

They never tried to get it right. They simply moved straight to the refresh product nv35, and put the money it would have taken to "fix" nv30 into acclerated development of nv40.