Dude, wtf? Why are you so obessed with that? Back away from the dead horse...I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try...
Dude, wtf? Why are you so obessed with that? Back away from the dead horse...I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try...
Originally posted by: redbox
Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno . . . x1800 series could be considered a 'failure' ... it never overcame the late failed launch . . . ati's situation looked pretty grim until x1900 [which did have a decent launch].
looking back even further, the radeon 8500 never could overcome it's poor initial showing - even though it later managed to [nearly] catch up with the Ti series with improved drivers. . . . need i mention the DustBuster and it's failed launch and what it did for nvidia's credibility?
With R600 relatively near, ATi will release a lot of small details to help offset the "+30% performance lead" [evidently] held by g80 - as well as price drops to compete with the GTS . . . if G80 is PERCEIVED as disappointing or overpriced . . . then it WILLl 'hurt' nvidia's sales.
this launch is important . . . as noted by others . . . this "time to market" is especially important . . .
nvidia stands to gain or lose with g80 . . . more so than usual . . . it is a NextGen GPU on which many refreshes will likely be based . . . if G80 is flawed . . . bad news.
I hadn't thought about G80 being flawed and then having a whole bunch of refreshes based on that. While it sounds bad right away, it's not like those refreshes wouldn't or couldn't fix those problems. Look how far they have come with the G70. I think the biggest thing that people are overlooking including Gstanfor is the fact that we are all talking about the time to market on this G80. Gstanfor made the comment that developers will want to code with the newest card on the block for DX10. But won't ATI have the upper hand in this with the xbox360 already getting coded for by developers? Just something to think about I am not sure if that helps ATI or hurts them. The other thing I think that is going to affect the sells of G80 is the fact that just about everyone I talk to except a few on these forums are going to hold out untill R600 and then decide which one to get.
Originally posted by: wicka
Originally posted by: redbox
Originally posted by: apoppin
i dunno . . . x1800 series could be considered a 'failure' ... it never overcame the late failed launch . . . ati's situation looked pretty grim until x1900 [which did have a decent launch].
looking back even further, the radeon 8500 never could overcome it's poor initial showing - even though it later managed to [nearly] catch up with the Ti series with improved drivers. . . . need i mention the DustBuster and it's failed launch and what it did for nvidia's credibility?
With R600 relatively near, ATi will release a lot of small details to help offset the "+30% performance lead" [evidently] held by g80 - as well as price drops to compete with the GTS . . . if G80 is PERCEIVED as disappointing or overpriced . . . then it WILLl 'hurt' nvidia's sales.
this launch is important . . . as noted by others . . . this "time to market" is especially important . . .
nvidia stands to gain or lose with g80 . . . more so than usual . . . it is a NextGen GPU on which many refreshes will likely be based . . . if G80 is flawed . . . bad news.
I hadn't thought about G80 being flawed and then having a whole bunch of refreshes based on that. While it sounds bad right away, it's not like those refreshes wouldn't or couldn't fix those problems. Look how far they have come with the G70. I think the biggest thing that people are overlooking including Gstanfor is the fact that we are all talking about the time to market on this G80. Gstanfor made the comment that developers will want to code with the newest card on the block for DX10. But won't ATI have the upper hand in this with the xbox360 already getting coded for by developers? Just something to think about I am not sure if that helps ATI or hurts them. The other thing I think that is going to affect the sells of G80 is the fact that just about everyone I talk to except a few on these forums are going to hold out untill R600 and then decide which one to get.
And therein lies my problem. I haven't upgraded my video card since I built it over a year ago, and with a few games coming out at the end of this year I can't really afford to wait for the R600 to make up my mind. I don't know how much the 8800GTS will cost but if it's like $500 it makes it even more of a difficult decision, because all in all that's really not a bad price considering the current prices of cards and the fact that it's brand new hardware. I could go ahead and buy a stop-gap card but then I don't really like the idea of spending $300+ on something I only plan on having a couple of months.
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: apoppin
RECENT years?Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Actually this will be the only the second time since R200 that nvidia has managed to launch ahead of ATi in recent years. ATi's slipping release dates allowing nvidia to take the launch lead may end proving extremely costly to them. It was a very large levelling factor ATi had going for it while it lasted.
You can rest assured that nvidia finding themselves in this happy situation was no accident either.
the rivalry between ATI and nVidia has take place ALL in "recent years"
Your History is plainly wrong . . . unlike you - which flatters me by posting mini errors i make in YOUR sig - you are NOT important enough for ANYone to make a sig of your errors . . . nor is there enough room in PAGEs of signatures to put 1/4 of the misleading statements, fud, hate, personal attacks, misquotes, childish name calling and outright lies you continually spew
:thumbsdown:
letsee radeon 8500 was 6 months after the GF3 release . . then GF4 Ti was out next . . . THEN r300 [ahead of nvidia]. . . then x800 [a refresh] . . . and x1800 was 6 months late
and YOu are ASSuming that g80 will be perceived a "success"
:Q
if g80 is a 'failure' or 'neutral' than ati finds themselves in a happy situation . . . that may be no accident . . . either![]()
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I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try... What is R200 the code name for? What did that chip compete againgst when it first came out? I consider anything within the last 6 years to be recent.
Originally posted by: josh6079
Dude, wtf? Why are you so obessed with that? Back away from the dead horse...I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try...
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: josh6079
Dude, wtf? Why are you so obessed with that? Back away from the dead horse...I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try...
Sure, just as soon as he stops insulting me, I'll stop insulting him. Simple really.
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: josh6079
Dude, wtf? Why are you so obessed with that? Back away from the dead horse...I KNOW its difficult for you to think straight Batshit, but please try...
Sure, just as soon as he stops insulting me, I'll stop insulting him. Simple really.
Since then you've "progressed" from color-coded fanatic implications to "batshit." Wow, real mature....I can definatly tell you're the bigger person....In case you had not noticed (possibly due to you rose tinted sunnies)...
Originally posted by: josh6079
apoppin, we know NV30 was a flop. Thankyou for enlightening us. Can we move on now?
Originally posted by: Zebo
Soundstorm was and still is the only onboard sound to fully support hardware accelrated 3d audio. Best onboard sound solution ever..made back when NV was trying to crack AMD chipset market. I don't know what this has to do with graphics cards though.
Originally posted by: wicka
Threads like this make me wonder why the "arguing on the internet..." pic has met its de facto retirement...
you mean "committing" board space.Originally posted by: Paratus
They must be awfully sure of their performance if they are wasting board space for something that doesn't improve IQ or FPS. Plus now they're writing new drivers & competing with creative
LOL was trying to get some smiles into my post with the edit but couldn't ! wierd. Anyways, was just ribbing ya a little too They will end up faster, alot faster then 80%. If you think the AA and AF performance of the r580 was good, just wait and see , I wouldn't be suprised if we see x8 aa and x16 af with very ittle penelties on both the g80 and r600.