$35,000 Tesla Model III Is Coming In 2017

[ultimatebob]

Why would you listen to anything from paid ad company? Tesla don't pay them, they write good about those who own them. Easy.

I own 2 teslas, have driven through 105 summer and 15 winter temps, supercharged endless times. Perfection that destroys everything in its path.

I am telling you, avoid paid anti-tesla articles. Teslas drive like butter and the "issues" reported were from paid FUD sources.

Do you vote and eat what media tells you? Good luck.

Remember kids, the media is just a paid AD outlet. Do your own research.

Consumer Reports is an independant non-profit organization that doesn't take outside advertising:

What We Do

Consumer Reports is an independent, nonprofit member organization that works side by side with consumers for truth, transparency, and fairness in the marketplace. Consumer Reports works to create a fair and just marketplace for all. As a mission-driven, independent, nonprofit member...

www.consumerreports.org

The only revenue that they get is from their reader memberships. There are plenty of paid shill posters both for and against Tesla, but Consumer Reports isn't one of them.

 

[Commodus]

The only revenue that they get is from their reader memberships. There are plenty of paid shill posters both for and against Tesla, but Consumer Reports isn't one of them.

I'd even dispute that they're being paid one way or the other. The biggest issue is that there's a few prominent EV- or Tesla-oriented sites and YouTube channels that are very obviously run by fans of the brand. They're not paid by Tesla, but they often feel compelled to serve as champions for the company rather than neutral observers.

 

[manly]

I suspect the Model 3's low rating is due to more time on the market and the lower quality from those initial runs. The Model Y has had fewer chances to prove itself, and Tesla has supposedly been ramping up quality enough that it might shore up the Y's overall rating.

As for Mini... well, it might have improved quality, but I also wonder if the Cooper SE helps — it's harder to have breakdowns when you're using an electric motor.

I hope Tesla does slow down, at least. I'd love to get one, but I don't want to have to explain to my wife why the car we just received needs fixes for a creaky interior or panel gaps.

It's the other way around, the 3 has a good enough reliability score of 59. While "younger" bro Y is an 18. The cars aren't identical but it's still a pretty large gap. Tesla would have been dead last if not for the Model 3's rating.

CR's ratings come from annual survey data collected from its members. The whole data set seems large enough, but they admit there are vehicles with small sample sizes. Part of their methodology will smooth the inputs over a few years, so it makes little sense that Mini can jump from #23 to #10 in just one year.

CR says that a lot of reliability problems stem from all the tech that is being shoved into cars nowadays. So for Tesla, the problems are QC and tech; not anything to do with the drivetrain.

I've watched a few videos of vehicle assembly lines roughly a decade old (BMW F30). It is highly automated, and humans play a fairly small role. Elon famously wanted to virtually eliminate humans from Model 3 assembly, but the robots failed spectacularly. But it really begs the question what's wrong with their assembly line that panel alignment can remain a problem for years without being fixed. QC is no doubt being ordered from above to sign off because they are supply-constrained, and profits need to be booked. It is "genius" in a way though; if your current and new customers don't care about fit and finish, why should you?

I'd even dispute that they're being paid one way or the other. The biggest issue is that there's a few prominent EV- or Tesla-oriented sites and YouTube channels that are very obviously run by fans of the brand. They're not paid by Tesla, but they often feel compelled to serve as champions for the company rather than neutral observers.

There's a huge RDF surrounding Tesla/Elon and bigi lives inside it. Most of his posts re: Tesla or competitors are similar rantings: we non-supporters are all listening to "fake news" and shills LOL.

 

[repoman0]

Why would you listen to anything from paid ad company? Tesla don't pay them, they write good about those who own them. Easy.

I own 2 teslas, have driven through 105 summer and 15 winter temps, supercharged endless times. Perfection that destroys everything in its path.

I am telling you, avoid paid anti-tesla articles. Teslas drive like butter and the "issues" reported were from paid FUD sources.

Do you vote and eat what media tells you? Good luck.

Remember kids, the media is just a paid AD outlet. Do your own research.

LMAO OK Barney, you are really doing your best to act like your avatar in this post.

Couldn’t have imagined a better drunk rambling paranoid fanboy impression.

 

[pauldun170]

Took a peek at Tesla reliability on one of the sites I've contributed too

Tesla Model 3 vs. Tesla Model S Reliability by Model Generation | TrueDelta

See real-world reliability ratings by model generation based on actual car repairs reported by vehicle owners participating in TrueDelta's Car Reliability Survey.

www.truedelta.com

ouch
lol

It's like 21st century Lucas electrics if you were just to go by the teeny sample sizes

 

[ultimatebob]

Took a peek at Tesla reliability on one of the sites I've contributed too

Tesla Model 3 vs. Tesla Model S Reliability by Model Generation | TrueDelta

See real-world reliability ratings by model generation based on actual car repairs reported by vehicle owners participating in TrueDelta's Car Reliability Survey.

www.truedelta.com

ouch
lol

It's like 21st century Lucas electrics if you were just to go by the teeny sample sizes

Oh, that's totally fake news, dude. TrueDelta is totally in Big Oil's pocket, man!

(Actually, I think that TrueDelta is owned by one dude who's overworked and has been trying to sell the site for years. I've done reliability surveys for them for years now)

 

[bigi]

LMAO OK Barney, you are really doing your best to act like your avatar in this post.

Couldn’t have imagined a better drunk rambling paranoid fanboy impression.

I am glad you "replied"

You've been known TeslaQ for quite a while. Just piss off and die.

 

[repoman0]

I am glad you "replied"

You've been known TeslaQ for quite a while. Just piss off and die.

You’ll be dead long before me angry boomer, so have fun with that. At least you’ll have your hideous cars to keep you company.

I don’t know what teslaq is because I’m not in your dumb cult. Damn imagine getting as triggered as this guy because someone doesn’t like the company you’re a fanboy of .. you need something else in your life dude.

 

[bigi]

Consumer Reports is an independant non-profit organization that doesn't take outside advertising:

What We Do

Consumer Reports is an independent, nonprofit member organization that works side by side with consumers for truth, transparency, and fairness in the marketplace. Consumer Reports works to create a fair and just marketplace for all. As a mission-driven, independent, nonprofit member...

www.consumerreports.org

The only revenue that they get is from their reader memberships. There are plenty of paid shill posters both for and against Tesla, but Consumer Reports isn't one of them.

Please. Just don't.

US politicians only take donations aka bribes. Kind of like Consumer Repo rts. Smart people know how this has worked out.

BTW,

CyberTruck ~3,000,000 pre-orders
M3 sold out for 4-6 months
Model Y sold out for 6 months.
Refreshed S/X - might be a year wait.

Consumer Repo rts my ass.

 

[repoman0]

Please. Just don't.

US politicians only take donations aka bribes. Kind of like Consumer Repo rts. Smart people know how this has worked out.

BTW,

CyberTruck ~3,000,000 pre-orders
M3 sold out for 4-6 months
Model Y sold out for 6 months.
Refreshed S/X - might be a year wait.

Consumer Repo rts my ass.

This is what happens when you attach your self worth to a company. Little army of fanboy apologists and trolls. Very sad.

 

[zinfamous]

Not sure how you can say product quality is improving if they ranked almost dead last. The nearly $100k Model X scored a 5/100? The weird thing is that everybody knows about panel gaps and poor paint quality, and 99% of buyers couldn't care less about "cosmetic" QC. It doesn't directly affect "reliability" and I don't know enough about CR's methodology to know if Tesla has a real problem here. To be clear, I'm not defending Tesla for poor QC; it's laughable that a so-called "luxury" car marque sells $60k vehicles with below industry standard fit and finish.

Their current mindset is profit maximization. Prices have increased substantially to capture excess profits in the currently insane new car market. Still it's pretty sad they're willing to go as far as to slightly gimp a few vehicles just to keep the sales channel humming. If I understand correctly, the quantities of affected consumers is low so it begs the question why even bother? You captured a few extra deliveries in current quarter that would have happened anyway next quarter? If they had simply disclosed it pre-delivery, most buyers would have accepted the car anyway to lock in the price.

Owner satisfaction is extremely high, which [partly] explains why 2020 Teslas are now worth more than their owners paid a year ago.

As an aside, EverydayDriver ranked the Model Y behind the Ford Mach-E recently:

Apple has become very popular in the last decade+ for a reason: it's a cult that targeted and captured a specific market, despite the long-standing limitations of their products. Very shrewd. I like Tesla and want them to get better, but there's a bit of a stench to being a Tesla driver these days, haha.

 

[bigi]

Next article, NYT ran out of charge while testing S. They forget to plug it in for 350 miles and Clarkson could not finish his auto show sponsored by gasoline car manufacturers. It is in line with consumer repo rts findings. LOL.

 

[zinfamous]

Why would you listen to anything from paid ad company? Tesla don't pay them, they write good about those who own them. Easy.

I own 2 teslas, have driven through 105 summer and 15 winter temps, supercharged endless times. Perfection that destroys everything in its path.

I am telling you, avoid paid anti-tesla articles. Teslas drive like butter and the "issues" reported were from paid FUD sources.

Do you vote and eat what media tells you? Good luck.

Remember kids, the media is just a paid AD outlet. Do your own research.

jesus christ

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Apple has become very popular in the last decade+ for a reason: it's a cult that targeted and captured a specific market, despite the long-standing limitations of their products. Very shrewd. I like Tesla and want them to get better, but there's a bit of a stench to being a Tesla driver these days, haha.

As a Tesla owner, I was just commenting last night that the fact I’ve spent almost $60K on this vehicle with so many fit / finish issues would be unacceptable for any other manufacturer. All under warranty, but fixing the driver and rear driver doors contacting each other, under-car armor coming apart, the charging plug missing a plastic insulator. It’s all so messy.

But at the same time, I’d buy another Tesla in a heart beat. Because the repairs are done inside my garage, the performance is amazing, the car feels great, and when it comes to a roadtrip EV Tesla is the only one who showed up. Everyone else relying on overpriced, 25kW and 50kW CCS “fast” charging is not doing anything that will excite people into buying EVs as their primary vehicle.

 

[Kaido]

Anyone buying a $60K or more electric vehicle and not figuring in the cost of a Level 2 charger isn't being serious. At least it is an option, unlike getting a gas pump installed at home. And for a similar set of gasoline buying experiences ... unless I go to Costco right when the pumps open up then its a long line, sometimes impossible to even get onto the Costco lot itself. And I filled up the tank on my truck on Saturday for a nice $60 bill. That's six charges for the Tesla.

You would be amazed at how many people buy it as a status symbol with zero research & don't even get an L2 charger installed in their house lol

 

[Kaido]

Please don't claim the media is being paid to attack Tesla. I'm sure you love your EVs for valid reasons, but calling them "perfection" suggests you're in no position to indicate what's fair or not.

On the tangent of perfection...I've driven just about every EV out there. HUGE Tesla fanboy. Didn't like Ford calling the Mach-E a Mustang. Didn't (initially) care for the design. Test-drove a Mach-E...imo it's the best EV on the market. Jumping into the design side of things, you can tell that Tesla was designed by Silicone Valley, vs. the Mach-E was designed by a car company. The differences on paper won't sound like much, but if you ever get the chance to test-drive both in-person, the Mach-E is what I consider to be the best EV on the market right now. Plus Blue Cruise is actually hands-free on the highway! And I bet when the Lightning comes out, that will be an even better EV than the Mach-E. And I say that holding a Cybertruck reservation lol.

 

[zinfamous]

You’ll be dead long before me angry boomer, so have fun with that. At least you’ll have your hideous cars to keep you company.

I don’t know what teslaq is because I’m not in your dumb cult. Damn imagine getting as triggered as this guy because someone doesn’t like the company you’re a fanboy of .. you need something else in your life dude.

lol, what the hell is TeslaQ? Do these dudes have their own loony tunes forum now?

 

[repoman0]

lol, what the hell is TeslaQ? Do these dudes have their own loony tunes forum now?

Must be where he picked up his perfectly executed “generic drunk angry uncle” bit

 

[ultimatebob]

Please. Just don't.

US politicians only take donations aka bribes. Kind of like Consumer Repo rts. Smart people know how this has worked out.

BTW,

CyberTruck ~3,000,000 pre-orders
M3 sold out for 4-6 months
Model Y sold out for 6 months.
Refreshed S/X - might be a year wait.

Consumer Repo rts my ass.

Funny... I never see the Tesla fanboys complaining when Consumer Reports writes a positive review about their product. People seem to forget that they rated the Model 3 a "Top Pick" just a few years ago.

 

[ponyo]

I look at people more than organizations. I don't care about Consumer Reports auto reporting because of Jake Fisher. His job is to bring clicks. Anything Tesla, especially negative, brings more eyeballs and clicks. Same with Alistair Weaver at Edmunds. His job is to bring clicks and Tesla community roasted him for his stupid testing methodology so now its combination of personal and wanting to keep his job.

You have others like Jonathan Gitlin at Ars Technica. I don't know if he's paid off or just stupid. It's probably both. There are many others like him. And there's the whole TSLAQ community. It's cautionary tale what happens when you lose control and join the Dark side. Never go TSLAQ unless you want to end up homeless and hating life like them.

 

[ultimatebob]

lol, what the hell is TeslaQ? Do these dudes have their own loony tunes forum now?

Apparently, this is an actual thing now:

TSLAQ - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I could see that, I guess... I'd imagine that there a few angry and bitter people out there who lost their shirts shorting Tesla stock in the past.

Personally, I'm still kinda mad at Elon Musk because he didn't follow through on his promise to start accepting cryptocurrency for Tesla purchases, but I'm not exactly ready to start a crusade against him.

 

[ponyo]

On the tangent of perfection...I've driven just about every EV out there. HUGE Tesla fanboy. Didn't like Ford calling the Mach-E a Mustang. Didn't (initially) care for the design. Test-drove a Mach-E...imo it's the best EV on the market. Jumping into the design side of things, you can tell that Tesla was designed by Silicone Valley, vs. the Mach-E was designed by a car company. The differences on paper won't sound like much, but if you ever get the chance to test-drive both in-person, the Mach-E is what I consider to be the best EV on the market right now. Plus Blue Cruise is actually hands-free on the highway! And I bet when the Lightning comes out, that will be an even better EV than the Mach-E. And I say that holding a Cybertruck reservation lol.

I like your enthusiasm but you need to look beyond the surface and do some research. Blue Cruise is pile of horse manure. Maybe Doug Fields and his new team can improve Blue Cruise with his knowledge from Tesla and Apple. But I wouldn't mention Blue Cruise as a pro right now. It's complete shit.

 

[ponyo]

Apparently, this is an actual thing now:

TSLAQ - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I could see that, I guess... I'd imagine that there a few angry and bitter people out there who lost their shirts shorting Tesla stock in the past.

Some of the members of TSLAQ. I've been warning people about following these morons for couple years now.

 

[zinfamous]

I look at people more than organizations. I don't care about Consumer Reports auto reporting because of Jake Fisher. His job is to bring clicks. Anything Tesla, especially negative, brings more eyeballs and clicks. Same with Alistair Weaver at Edmunds. His job is to bring clicks and Tesla community roasted him for his stupid testing methodology so now its combination of personal and wanting to keep his job.

You have others like Jonathan Gitlin at Ars Technica. I don't know if he's paid off or just stupid. It's probably both. There are many others like him. And there's the whole TSLAQ community. It's cautionary tale what happens when you lose control and join the Dark side. Never go TSLAQ unless you want to end up homeless and hating life like them.

The only reason you know individual names like this is because you are taint-deep in the koolaid man. Dude, you've lost it.

It's a brand. Nothing more. Tesla doesn't give a rat's ass about you or anyone else, let alone Elon Musk. Seriously, stop believing his benevolent plans for humanity. It's a crock of shit. And I really want to like Tesla as a company and SpaceX, but these are pure sociopaths.

 

[ponyo]

The only reason you know individual names like this is because you are taint-deep in the koolaid man. Dude, you've lost it.

It's a brand. Nothing more. Tesla doesn't give a rat's ass about you or anyone else, let alone Elon Musk. Seriously, stop believing his benevolent plans for humanity. It's a crock of shit. And I really want to like Tesla as a company and SpaceX, but these are pure sociopaths.

I've never denied I'm full drunk on koolaid. I told people before I bathe in it. It's no secret I'm up to my eyeballs with Tesla stock and options. I've bet my entire family fortune on Elon Musk. I'm fully in the Elon Musk cult, and I like it. But unlike others, I've done my research. So I know what I'm talking about when I talk Tesla and Elon Musk. I have financial incentive to see Tesla succeed and do well. I know Musk can be an asshole. So can I. I find him refreshing and entertaining. I do find all the Elon Musk and Tesla hate amusing. Carry on.