19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[classy]

According to the ballistics data, the shot was not at a close range. If there were no lights on inside or outside the house he may not have been able to tell if he shot her or not.

I just double checked, you are right. It wasn't close enough to leave residue.

 

[Geosurface]

Either way, he was in his doorway with a locked door between the two. He killed someone who posted no threat to him whilst standing outside with a locked door between them. No signs of damage to the door.

Well, the door being closed didn't stop him from posing a threat to her, right? What I mean is, a gun makes the door irrelevant. Did he know she didn't have a gun? Did he know she was a she and not a he? We have to be careful not to judge him based on information WE have now, and only stick to what info he had then.

If she was really pounding on his door demanding to get in...the neighbors would have heard something.

Do we know they didn't hear it? Also, although it is certainly LIKELY they'd have heard it, it's not absolutely the case. I've certainly been asked by my gf before "you seriously didn't hear ______ last night?" Some people are deep sleepers, and if they were asleep on the other side of the house from where this was going on... well, we just don't know. Did the cops say the neighbors heard nothing?

I also find it interesting that Wafer called 911, said he shot someone and then hung up right away before any questions could be asked.

I think that was pretty obviously due to being in shock at what had just happened/what he'd just done. If his intention was to avoid police attention I think he wouldn't have called at all. He was in mental shock. This is particularly consistent with it being an accident, but it's consistent even with it being deliberate.

Again, I don't find what he did to be acceptable based on currently known information. But I still will play devil's advocate for him, somewhat.

 

[HumblePie]

I just double checked, you are right. It wasn't close enough to leave residue.

In the dark, from a range, and at someone making a whole lot of noise for a long enough time to bring you out of your sleep and to your door.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I may be wrong, but I think they said the shot was from close range.

The autopsy said no evidence of a close range discharge, so it was far enough away that there was no powder burns/stippling. Due to the amount of damage I have to think the pellet that struck her was 00 buckshot.

“There was an entrance shotgun wound to the face, with no evidence of close range discharge of a firearm noted on the skin surrounding this wound,”

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131111/METRO01/311110095#ixzz2l1RCaz4X
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For reference I killed a deer at 75 feet using a 12 gauge shotgun with a 00 buckshot round and kill was from only pellet that struck the deer.

 

[SheHateMe]

Here's the report

Interesting that earlier someone mentioned that she was wearing a hoodie with the hood up...and there is no mention of that in this very detailed police report. Nope. In fact, only mention of the hoodie is that she was wearing one that was zipped up.

 

[HumblePie]

Here's the report

Interesting that earlier someone mentioned that she was wearing a hoodie with the hood up...and there is no mention of that in this very detailed police report. Nope. In fact, only mention of the hoodie is that she was wearing one that was zipped up.

She could have put the hood down. Also, if the hood was loose on her head when the shot went through her head it is not reasonable to assume the hood fell off from either the shot or her fall to the ground.

Also, the evidence report did not state the hood was down. The report only described the clothing worn, not the arrangement. Those are left for the pictures. We now know for a fact that she was wearing a blue hoodie that was zipped up on the front. We don't know if she was found with her hood up or not. But considering how cold it was out there, it is not unreasonable to assume it was up at the time of the shot.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Here's the report

Interesting that earlier someone mentioned that she was wearing a hoodie with the hood up...and there is no mention of that in this very detailed police report. Nope. In fact, only mention of the hoodie is that she was wearing one that was zipped up.

It was reported that after the accident she was wearing a hoodie pulled down low.. IE "in deep cover" to conceal ID.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Here's the report

Interesting that earlier someone mentioned that she was wearing a hoodie with the hood up...and there is no mention of that in this very detailed police report. Nope. In fact, only mention of the hoodie is that she was wearing one that was zipped up.

Won't take long for the deep cover comments now.....

Edit: nope not long at all

 

[Londo_Jowo]

On page 15 of 23 of the report on the bottom of the page it discusses the condition of the screen and states it was popped out with a tear in the screen. Though it does state that could have been caused by the shotgun blast there's no way of confirming such one way or the other.

 

[SheHateMe]

It was reported that after the accident she was wearing a hoodie pulled down low.. IE "in deep cover" to conceal ID.

Yea, I think you missed the part in the report where the officer writes down what she did after a crashing the car.

Description of what she was wearing per witness account.....no mention of "hoodie in deep cover".

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Won't take long for the deep cover comments now.....

Edit: nope not long at all

No different than a ski mask.

It's not about the item, it's about how it's used. IE to conceal ID so you aren't tracked down for some crime? "In deep cover".

 

[umbrella39]

How was the homeowner who was abruptly woken in the early morning hours supposed to know she wasn't attempting to break in?

The same way I did when faced with a similar situation explained in detail earlier in the thread. I went to the door, looked out the peephole and asked what the fuck they wanted and declared that I was armed and that my wife was on the phone with the police and that they had the wrong house. Seemed the logical thing to do.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

On page 15 of 23 of the report on the bottom of the page it discusses the condition of the screen and states it was popped out with a tear in the screen. Though it does state that could have been caused by the shotgun blast there's no way of confirming such one way or the other.

Sure there is. Screen towards inward = her pushing through trying to get in.


I suspect we'll find out a lot with the investigation. I hope the trial is televised, although I dunno if the race brigaiders can handle yet another monumental fail and backwards step in race relations.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The same way I did when faced with a similar situation explained in detail earlier in the thread. I went to the door, looked out the peephole and asked what the fuck they wanted and declared that I was armed and that my wife was on the phone with the police and that they had the wrong house. Seemed the logical thing to do.

What if the storm door was already open and only a locked screen door separated you from the person/s outside?

 

[SheHateMe]

Sure there is. Screen towards inward = her pushing through trying to get in.

lol, I love how you drew that conclusion. They don't know why the screen was messed up. It could have already been like that, from the shotgun, or from Ranisha.

Even the cops didn't know.....but somehow you do.

 

[umbrella39]

From the OP:



So how many outright lies or gross distortions are contained there?

ZERO. You see when someone states they believe this to be what their daughter did that night after the accident they are not making up stories or making declarations of facts. They are stating their opinion. You might have to try harder to sell your version of reality here.

 

[spidey07]

On page 15 of 23 of the report on the bottom of the page it discusses the condition of the screen and states it was popped out with a tear in the screen. Though it does state that could have been caused by the shotgun blast there's no way of confirming such one way or the other.

Bingo. Reasonable doubt as to whether she was attempting entry.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Sure there is. Screen towards inward = her pushing through trying to get in.

I suspect we'll find out a lot with the investigation. I hope the trial is televised, although I dunno if the race brigaiders can handle yet another monumental fail and backwards step in race relations.

It's possible that the screen was initially pushed in and changed direction due to the gun blast. Without having exact information it's difficult at best to make any determination.

No different than a ski mask.

It's not about the item, it's about how it's used. IE to conceal ID so you aren't tracked down for some crime? "In deep cover".

Or keeping your head warm as designed.

 

[umbrella39]

Without video evidence, we're going by what the victim claims as well as known evidence and facts.

The only thing the victim has said regarding the incident is contained on the 20 second call to 911 he made where the only thing he stated was that he had just shot someone, on his porch, banging on the door. The only other statement I have heard attributed to him indirectly is what one of the detectives said that he stated he accidently discharged the weapon. These are the things the shooter has claimed as facts.

 

[EagleKeeper]

According to the ballistics data, the shot was not at a close range. If there were no lights on inside or outside the house he may not have been able to tell if he shot her or not.

I may be wrong, but I think they said the shot was from close range..

The ME report indicates that it was close but not contact.


Could the inner door have been closed and the out door locked; the home owner then unlocked the inner door to tell the girl to get the heck out of there. For her to be shot the way described in the ME report, the outer door would have to have been opened (or shot through). PD report states that the screen was torn.


So lets look at this scenario

• Outer door is locked.
• Status of inner would be closed - November, is chilly enough you do not leave doors open
• Girl show up and makes noise at the front door
• Home owner wakes up, grabs weapon at trigger (pistol grip - no real stock behind the trigger) and goes to open door.
• Outside light may be on/off - expect that he would turn it on.
• Sees girl on porch (condition unknown) and opens inner door to tell her to get the hell away. (Possibly showing the weapon as an inducement)
• Girl reacts: (pushes/pulls on outer door which has not been opened). I suspect she pulls
• Homeowner was possibly holding onto the outer door reacts and fires the weapon.
• Screen based on report is torn outward)
• Outer door is never unlocked

Again this is a scenario that tries to tie in what little facts we know and statements by the homeowner/lawyer.

 

[nehalem256]

ZERO. You see when someone states they believe this to be what their daughter did that night after the accident they are not making up stories or making declarations of facts. They are stating their opinion. You might have to try harder to sell your version of reality here.

Ok lets revisit:

McBride's family believes she was going door-to-door looking for help after her car broke down and her cell phone was dead. She was shot as she was leaving the suspect's porch, according to Detroit Pastor W.J. Rideout

(1) Her car wasn't "broken down". It was crashed at high speed into a parked car.

(2) She was not going door-to-door looking for help. She was fleeing the scene of an accident. Given that she was found 6 blocks from her car the idea she was just looking for help is ludicrous. This is even ignoring the fact she was offered help at the scene

(3) She was shot in the face, which does not seem consistent with "shot as she was leaving the porch".

These are all clear gross distortions of the truth.

 

[umbrella39]

Now we've heard many times this woman was shot through a locked screen door. If this is the case, what was she banging on? In order to strike the storm door she would have to deflect the screen several inches.

This must be an up north thing and you guys in Texas don't see many storm doors? Here is a pic one very similar to mine:

http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/69986/00066.jpg

Lots of places to knock/bang on it. Not all storm doors are just thin framework to hold a screen.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The ME report indicates that it was close but not contact.

As someone previously stated, the screen door looks like a glass/Plexiglas, not a screen itself. Police report clearly says screen

If the shot was from the doorway; how is the outdoor not damaged (via pictures shown of the house).

Could the door have been locked; the home owner the unlocked the door to tell the girl to get the heck out of there. For her to be shot the way described in the ME report, the door would have to have been opened (or shot through).

And there seems to be no damage?

So lets look at this scenario

• Outer door is locked.
• Status of inner would be closed - November, is chilly enough you do not leave doors open (It was in the upper 40's that night)
• Girl show up an makes noise at the front door
• Home owner wakes up, grabs weapon by stock at trigger and goes to open door.
• Outside light may be on/off - expect that he would turn it on.
• Sees girl on porch (condition unknown) and opens outer door to tell her to get the hell away. (Possibly showing the weapon as an inducement)
• Girl reacts: (pushes/pulls on outer door which has been opened). Suspect pulls if no shot damage
• Homeowner was probably holding onto the outer door is then jerked off balance and fires the weapon.

Again this is a scenario that tries to tie in what little facts we know and statements by the homeowner/lawyer.

Based on the police report it doesn't sound like this scenario has any legs.

 

[umbrella39]

Never mind the posters who still insist she was shot just looking for help and knocking on the door, she obviously wasn't doing nary a thing wrong. That is just not possible.

They know this how? That's right, the family's lies who weren't there and insisted she was shot in the back of the head as she was leaving the porch.

Again, the family stating what they believed their daughter did during the time from the accident to the shooting is not to be construed as lying unless of course you have an agenda to push which I really wish the spidey account would stop doing. We really can have a discussion about this case without it descending to this bullshit. The family who had a closed casket and had to listen to the ME explain the cause of death were very clear about where on the body their daughter was shot.

 

[umbrella39]

How do you know she was even knocking on the door?

That's what the family is saying who weren't there.

Again, the SHOOTERS 911 CALL that has been linked here for your pleasure. Again, the family isn't having to make a claim that the shooter's own call to 911 verifies. Come on spidey account, please try harder or log out again.