19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[dank69]

Getting shot in the face is an expected and logical outcome if you bang on somebody's door at 3 in the morning. It really is.

Don't do that.

Am I still allowed to point a weapon at things I don't intend to shoot? Am I allowed to do that?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This must be an up north thing and you guys in Texas don't see many storm doors? Here is a pic one very similar to mine:

http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/69986/00066.jpg

Lots of places to knock/bang on it. Not all storm doors are just thin framework to hold a screen.

Did you happen to look at the one on the house in question?

Also I'm originally from close to Roanoke, Virginia and my parents house had a screen and storm doors.

 

[spidey07]

Am I still allowed to point a weapon at things I don't intend to shoot? Am I allowed to do that?

No, you don't point at something you don't intend to destroy.

An intruder banging on your door and attempting entry = a legitimate target and you can point your weapon at them in preparation to shoot.

 

[surfsatwerk]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...e-zimmerman-arrested-20131118,0,1837318.story

 

[umbrella39]

What if the storm door was already open and only a locked screen door separated you from the person/s outside?

An interesting what if but not germane to what happened to me or the shooter in this case. I don't think you are understanding what a screen/storm door is? The storm is the screen door.

 

[umbrella39]

dp

 

[HumblePie]

Also from that report to note. The witness didn't state a wound to the head but a wound to the LEFT HAND of McBride from her car accident. Which leads more credence that her odd overall behavior was based solely upon her drug addled state and less to due with head trauma of any sort.

 

[umbrella39]

Did you happen to look at the one on the house in question?

Also I'm originally from close to Roanoke, Virginia and my parents house had a screen and storm doors.

Yes I drove past the house. There is ample area to knock on the storm door. It is common up here. Looks like he even has the same identical steel inner door that we had in Dearborn Hts.

 

[HumblePie]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...e-zimmerman-arrested-20131118,0,1837318.story

wrong thread.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes I drove past the house. There is ample area to knock on the storm door. It is common up here. Looks like he even has the same identical steel inner door that we had in Dearborn Hts.

So why did you post a link to a screen door that didn't look anything like the door on the house?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Based on the police report it doesn't sound like this scenario has any legs.

Updated scenario based on reading the report.

You quoted me to fast

 

[surfsatwerk]

wrong thread.

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You sure about that?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Again, the SHOOTERS 911 CALL that has been linked here for your pleasure. Again, the family isn't having to make a claim that the shooter's own call to 911 verifies. Come on spidey account, please try harder or log out again.

I think the family statements were well before the 911 call was linked.
They included details that were not in the 911 calls and were false.

 

[umbrella39]

So why did you post a link to a screen door that didn't look anything like the door on the house?

Um because I didn't take a photo of the house where a shooting took place when I drove by nor did I have a link to the front of the house like you did. Why do you continue to act obtuse is a better question.

EDIT: Why so seemingly baffled by how she could have banged on his storm door without depressing a screen? I don't think he ever claimed she was banging though his screen and pounding on the inner door and even if she had I don't see how that would change a thing considering he was still behind in his words two sets of locked doors that he, himself had to open to have a meaningful face to face confrontation with the young lady. I will drive by on my way home later this week and try to take a higher res photo of the house and storm door... the one you linked doesn't really show much storm door detail. It's more than ample to pound on the side you grab the handle. I don't think anyone is living there right now so I should be able to drive right up and roll down the passenger and take a 'good shoot'. Based on what I saw when I drove by and what I see in the photo you linked this is a pretty good example of door and how you can bang right where you grab the handle. This is one of our old rental houses is Dbn Hts:

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1012770_597557460280144_288673416_n.jpg

 

[werepossum]

I do not agree that she was disoriented; she deliberately left the accident twice when people were trying to help her; she wanted to avoid the law.

She could have made it to any location that was open all night and asked for assistance.

She goes 6 blocks; past 30-40 houses and then decides that this is a house to enter? It sure would not look like her own place; she screams money (4 cars from Daddy in 3 years); that house is not money. Could it be similar to a friends; possible

I'd guess she intentionally left the accident to avoid the cops, but she was definitely fucked up. And if she's that drunk, she may well have been unable to distinguish between her own really nice house and this not-quite-so-nice house. People at .2 BAC are not really functioning intelligently. Although you made a good point about her being able to function at all indicating a habitual heavy drinker; I certainly could not get to .2 BAC even at that age. Lord only knows her BAC at the time of the accident. Or why someone wants to drink that much.

Some Americans might value the right to live.

What you are advocating is the right to kill anyone near your home. No? Bullshit. All you have to do is claim they were "trying to illegally enter". It cannot be proven otherwise.

The law's not as bad as you think. The homeowner enjoys a presumption of self-defense, which is as it should be, but it's a rebuttable presumption of self-defense. Just means the state has the burden of proof rather than the homeowner.

Here are 3 cases of breaking and entering with the intruders being shot. This case in discussion is completely void of any of these circumstances. Breaking and entering is usually very easy to detect and identify. There is very little doubt in my mind the police would not have said there are no signs of forced entry if there was any. To believe a person is attempting a break in has to be supported by facts. It is pretty clear there was no supporting evidence. You will also see that in these other incidents the person called 911 while grabbing a weapon. We know the girl never breached the home in anyway.

I think unless the defense can show some proof she tried to break in the home, he is going to jail. It will be murder 2 or if he sticks with it was an accident, manslaughter. Someone banging on your door doesn't support the right to shoot through the door regardless of the time of day. The law requires much more substance to claim self defense than that. These 3 cases clearly outline what a true attempted breaking and entering is.

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=944039#.UokjmcSsh8F

http://www.examiner.com/article/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-w-911-audio

http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605

Agreed. I have absolutely no problem with a homeowner shooting someone who has broken into his home, or is in the process of breaking into his house, but someone banging on the door, trying the knob, and yellow for admittance is clearly not breaking in.

 

[bshole]

Originally Posted by classy
Here are 3 cases of breaking and entering with the intruders being shot. This case in discussion is completely void of any of these circumstances. Breaking and entering is usually very easy to detect and identify. There is very little doubt in my mind the police would not have said there are no signs of forced entry if there was any. To believe a person is attempting a break in has to be supported by facts. It is pretty clear there was no supporting evidence. You will also see that in these other incidents the person called 911 while grabbing a weapon. We know the girl never breached the home in anyway.

I think unless the defense can show some proof she tried to break in the home, he is going to jail. It will be murder 2 or if he sticks with it was an accident, manslaughter. Someone banging on your door doesn't support the right to shoot through the door regardless of the time of day. The law requires much more substance to claim self defense than that. These 3 cases clearly outline what a true attempted breaking and entering is.

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/st...9#.UokjmcSsh8F

http://www.examiner.com/article/woma...er-w-911-audio

http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-...ry?id=15285605

In every one of those incidents, the shooter called 911, grabbed a gun and waited until the perps broke in.... which is exactly what I would do. It is by far the safest option.

To not call 911 shows a lack of common sense. To open the door shows a lack of common sense (if you are afraid of intruders, why open the damn door and surrender your advantage?). To open the door and fire shows a rather stark disregard for human life.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

In every one of those incidents, the shooter called 911, grabbed a gun and waited until the perps broke in.... which is exactly what I would do. It is by far the safest option.

To not call 911 shows a lack of common sense. To open the door shows a lack of common sense (if you are afraid of intruders, why open the damn door and surrender your advantage?). To open the door and fire shows a rather stark disregard for human life.

Love how you judge the victim's lack of common sense, yet gloss over the fact that this girl was out driving at over 3x the DUI limits while also high on drugs. She then left the scene of an accident, walked 6 blocks over a couple of hours... Then did who knows what and ended up shot for it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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but someone banging on the door, trying the knob, and yellow for admittance is clearly not breaking in.

Well we disagree there.

3am, banging on the door of a strange house, and then turning the knob when the person won't let you in? That's a great way to get dead.

 

[Jaskalas]

Getting shot in the face is an expected and logical outcome if you bang on somebody's door at 3 in the morning. It really is.

Don't do that.

Londo_Jowo, apologies, but perhaps you can see the attitude I'm reading in this topic which is driving me insane. It goes beyond outrage to read that post I just quoted.

I cannot wrap my head around the morality of murder as is being advocated by some members. I apologize for lumping you in with them. I am not remaining calm over this, I cannot remain calm. Their sense of morality is so foreign to me... there's nothing rationale to discuss between me and them.

I don't know if I can shake it to discuss this topic further.

 

[EagleKeeper]

In every one of those incidents, the shooter called 911, grabbed a gun and waited until the perps broke in.... which is exactly what I would do. It is by far the safest option.

To not call 911 shows a lack of common sense. To open the door shows a lack of common sense (if you are afraid of intruders, why open the damn door and surrender your advantage?). To open the door and fire shows a rather stark disregard for human life.

The difference is that this time; he may not have felt threatened enough to fear opening the door. And coming from Detroit; for many it is felt that response times for the law at 3AM is measured in hours, not minutes.

We do NOT know what triggered the trigger pull

 

[spidey07]

Londo_Jowo, apologies, but perhaps you can see the attitude I'm reading in this topic which is driving me insane. It goes beyond outrage to read that post I just quoted.

I cannot wrap my head around the morality of murder as is being advocated by some members. I apologize for lumping you in with them. I am not remaining calm over this, I cannot remain calm. Their sense of morality is so foreign to me... there's nothing rationale to discuss between me and them.

I don't know if I can shake it to discuss this topic further.

What is so unusual about my post? It's very real and has happened plenty of times previously. In fact I can just about guarantee you it will happen again somewhere in the US with a week that's how frequent it is. Happens all the time really, that's why it's a very bad idea to do so because of the likely and possible outcome.

Banging on somebody's door at 3 in the morning is ASKING, begging, to get shot.

 

[Emos]

Londo_Jowo, apologies, but perhaps you can see the attitude I'm reading in this topic which is driving me insane. It goes beyond outrage to read that post I just quoted.

I cannot wrap my head around the morality of murder as is being advocated by some members. I apologize for lumping you in with them. I am not remaining calm over this, I cannot remain calm. Their sense of morality is so foreign to me... there's nothing rationale to discuss between me and them.

I don't know if I can shake it to discuss this topic further.

It really is an attitude I can't comprehend. Dare I say a scenario like the above quote is like snuff porn for people like that.

 

[khon]

Banging on somebody's door at 3 in the morning is ASKING, begging, to get shot.

No actually, it is ASKING, begging, to be let in.

If you actually intended to harm the person in the house, why would you knock on the door and make a lot of noise ?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No actually, it is ASKING, begging, to be let in.

If you actually intended to harm the person in the house, why would you knock on the door and make a lot of noise ?

Happens all the time when are drunk, high on narcotics and who knows what...

 

[spidey07]

No actually, it is ASKING, begging, to be let in.

If you actually intended to harm the person in the house, why would you knock on the door and make a lot of noise ?

To get them to open the door so you can bum rush in. It's a very typical ploy in home invasions.

Another very typical one is where they use a female pretending to ask for help while those waiting to barge in are out of site. Once the door opens, they all barge in.