19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[Londo_Jowo]

Yea upstanding guy defending himself............................against a girl

As if women or girls have never commited violent crimes.

 

[classy]

As if women or girls have never commited violent crimes.

Yes and they get in car accidents as a cover story first. But understand where you are coming from you......................................

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Where are these comments about trying the doorknob suddenly coming from? Is this from reports or is it just speculation to guide the narrative to cast blame on the victim without evidence?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Where are these comments about trying the doorknob suddenly coming from? Is this from reports or is it just speculation to guide the narrative to cast blame on the victim without evidence?

Where did the knocking on the door seeking help come from in this case? Family of the deceased trying to guide the narrative? Obviously there's more to the story and why no charges have been filed.

 

[waggy]

slightly more info. So the front door was open when she was shot.

did he open it? was there damage to the door (btw no matter where you live you should lock the door at night)?

So far without more info it looks like murder (was thinking manslaughter. but with the door open i think murder now).

but again we don't have all teh info

 

[SheHateMe]

Where are these comments about trying the doorknob suddenly coming from? Is this from reports or is it just speculation to guide the narrative to cast blame on the victim without evidence?

They're coming from AT P&N's resident assholes.

slightly more info. So the front door was open when she was shot.

did he open it? was there damage to the door (btw no matter where you live you should lock the door at night)?

So far without more info it looks like murder (was thinking manslaughter. but with the door open i think murder now).

but again we don't have all teh info

I'm thinking he might have had a screen door before his actual door and that maybe she opened it so she could knock on the door. Even if she did, thats not a crime or a reason to be afraid of someone as a lot of people knock like that including me.






I have no faith in the Dearborn police anyway. Its his word against hers....but, she doesn't get to have a word because he shot her in the face and killed her. And the police are trying to find every reason not to press charges against him.

The fucktards in this forum are acting like they know all about Michigan, they don't. I grew up there. Dearborn is a primarily arab community (actually the largest arab community in the country). There are whites there, but not as many as you think (which are probably just arabs who consider themselves white). There are also a lot of blacks in Dearborn, too. So, this isn't a case of "well, she probably was suspicious" and "why did she come from Detroit" type of arguments. Dearborn is a pretty mixed up town and the side of Detroit she had the accident on is right on Outer Drive which is a street that basically has Detroit on one side and Dearborn on the other. At that time of night, everything on the side of Detroit she was on would have been closed. It totally makes sense that she would have migrated across to Dearborn.

We don't know why it took 2 hours for her to show up at his door. There are so many things that could have happened, but people spouting off bullshit like she tried to break in or turned his knob are extremely immature and one of the reasons people don't like this forum..why does everything involving minorities have to boil down to them being criminals? You really think someone is going to get in a fucking car accident and then decide to go on a crime spree? You people will say anything.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What if this 19 year old "woman" was shot while entering the house and fell backwards on to the porch?

 

[SheHateMe]

What if this 19 year old "woman" was shot while entering the house and fell backwards on to the porch?

And what if she wasn't?


I know its P&N rule to assume the absolute worst about people. You guys get to do that but then get all pissy when people do the same thing to gun owners and cops.

 

[classy]

What if this 19 year old "woman" was shot while entering the house and fell backwards on to the porch?

We get it, she was a criminal for obvious reasons

 

[Geosurface]

people spouting off bullshit like she tried to break in or turned his knob are extremely immature and one of the reasons people don't like this forum..why does everything involving minorities have to boil down to them being criminals?

Well, I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about the knob, but as previously stated, what I said was that there was in fact a way that his fears of burglary and break in might have been real, and not completely nuts. Because sometimes burglars do use females or a ruse of needing help, or both, to get the door open.

Now that it seems like the car wreck is definitely real and not in question, I consider that much less likely. Basically it's off the table.

But, them not charging him yet *may* indicate there's more to this than we're hearing, currently. Or it may just indicate that they're crossing their t's and dotting their i's. Who knows?

That's just it... none of us know. This thread has been people attempting to:

1.) Brainstorm ways that it might have gone down
2.) Point out that media often get it wrong at first, and sensationalize
3.) Point out that assuming her complete innocence before the facts come in, has proven to be naive and premature the past with other cases, and might not be the smartest move here

and for some reason that gets you REALLY butthurt. You seem like a very angry person and way too sensitive about some random news story. I know you live in that same area, I know it's someone from your demographic, but you should at least try to calm down and have a little perspective here.

Not everything involving minorities has to boil down to them being criminals. I've seen a black guy who was falsely accused of rape be championed and sympathized with on this forum, and I've seen a white kid who stole his dad's truck and then rammed police cars be rightfully diagnosed as a criminal whose shooting by those police was justified.

Right now, this case of Ms. McBride looks like a clearly unjustified murder or manslaughter. Even if it was an accidental shooting.

But you shouldn't be losing your mind and lashing out at people because they are exploring other possibilities through hypotheticals. That's the point of discussion, after all. Unless you envision every thread involving a minority being killed to just be a procession of posters coming in and saying "this is very sad" and nothing else.

If you find the forums so odious, why stay?

 

[SheHateMe]

Why did you assume I was talking about you?

and for some reason that gets you REALLY butthurt. You seem like a very angry person and way too sensitive about some random news story. I know you live in that same area, I know it's someone from your demographic, but you should at least try to calm down and have a little perspective here.

Oh, okay. I'm butthurt. That's what it is. I seem like angry person? I'm not angry, I am annoyed by the way you people think about others.

This isn't about someone being from my demographic, its about people assuming that someone is always partaking in criminal behavior. You're asking me to have perspective when you immediately hypothesized that she might have been there as a decoy so a group of men could rob the homeowner. Wait, but I'm the one with issues? Fuck you, dude.

Not everything involving minorities has to boil down to them being criminals.

Yet, there have been several threads about minorities where posters like you assumed immediately that they were up to no good. No to mention the thread about Race, Crime and Genetics. I'll never forget that. But, again....I'm the one with the problem.

If you find the forums so odious, why stay?

Because I can. Why do you stay? You and your friends all have either been banned in the past or timed out for your shennanigans. Me? Never. So, who should find a new forum, me or you?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

We get it, she was a criminal for obvious reasons

So why haven't the prosecution charged the home owner? There must be some evidence that's making them take pause and request more information that shows the home owner violated the law.

 

[Geosurface]

Why did you assume I was talking about you?

Because you were. Not exclusively me, but me among others. My comment about whether I'd mentioned the door knob was just me thinking out loud about whether I'd been one to say anything about her turning the knob.

you immediately hypothesized that she might have been there as a decoy so a group of men could rob the homeowner

The news story deals with a home owner shooting someone who was at their door at night. Someone who hasn't been arrested yet. Someone whose lawyer is saying it was justified. Someone who claims they were afraid of a break in.

Given those considerations, you don't think it's natural and normal, within the context of a discussion, to posit scenarios which might have explained why this incident happened and why the shooter thought what he did?

I guess your preference is that everyone who clicks on the thread would proceed with a rock solid, unshakable, 100% assumption that the shooter is in the wrong, and the person shot is a completely innocent victim who undertook no actions whatsoever which might put someone in fear.

That may indeed end up being what the evidence shows, and I would say right now things point that way rather strongly. Or at least they point toward him having no GOOD reason to shoot that shotgun (though he seems to claim it was an accidental discharge...) but for you to insist that everyone jump immediately and firmly into that camp, doesn't seem very adult or very rational to me.

 

[SheHateMe]

I guess your preference is that everyone who clicks on the thread would proceed with a rock solid, unshakable, 100% assumption that the shooter is in the wrong, and the person shot is a completely innocent victim who undertook no actions whatsoever which might put someone in fear.

Here's a tip: Don't try to guess what my "preferences" are.

*snip*

but for you to insist that everyone jump immediately and firmly into that camp, doesn't seem very adult or very rational to me.

I did no such thing.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's a tip: Don't try to guess what my "preferences" are.

I did no such thing.

You seem pretty upset at anyone who suggests alternate scenarios or possibilities which have the deceased in any role other than completely innocent victim.

 

[SheHateMe]

You seem pretty upset at anyone who suggests alternate scenarios or possibilities which have the deceased in any role other than completely innocent victim.

I am not "upset" about anything. I think its interesting that the same people jump to the same conclusion about people being criminals is all.

Yea, the girl is dead...and people are already performing character assassinations on her. But, that's OK. Nobody knows who the homeowner is but people already know that he probably didn't do anything wrong.


Did I say that she was completely innocent of any wrongdoing? Nope. But, I'm not about to sit here and pretend like I knew what kind of person she was. If that makes me "butthurt", "angry", and "upset". So be it.

 

[Geosurface]

I'm not sure I've seen anyone in this thread say "the homeowner probably didn't do anything wrong."

I certainly haven't said that. In fact I've said he almost certainly committed murder.

 

[SheHateMe]

I'm not sure I've seen anyone in this thread say "the homeowner probably didn't do anything wrong."

So, I take it that you haven't been paying attention to Nehalem, then? He's been trolling in this thread since the beginning.


Just read his posts.

I certainly haven't said that. In fact I've said he almost certainly committed murder.

Stop assuming someone is always talking about you. Are you that self centered? Damn.

 

[waggy]

We get it, she was a criminal for obvious reasons

well duh. he did say "women"


:sneaky:

 

[Geosurface]

Stop assuming someone is always talking about you. Are you that self centered? Damn.

Relax. You've been railing against several of us, and you know that I'm one of that group you're upset with, so it's completely natural for me to say "I certainly haven't" after saying "I'm not sure I've seen any of us say ______"

I'll agree that Nehalem has come the closest, though it seems like he's mostly just pointing out things that seem odd about this.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This sure sounds familiar in several ways.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/08/woman-shot-to-death-while-seeking-help/3473711/

The family's comments came Friday as several civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, and Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., called for justice and a thorough investigation in the case.

"I know this may ring hollow unless you knew this man, but this is really weighing on him," Bloomfield Hills criminal defense attorney Cheryl Carpenter said. "He realizes the extent of this tragedy. Right now, he's a monster in the eyes of the public. I can't wait to share who he really is."

Carpenter said the homeowner — whom she described as 54, white and living alone — voluntarily went to the Dearborn Heights police station for questioning after the shooting.
"He was sleeping and he was awakened between 3:30 and 4:30 a.m. by sounds of a person trying to come into his home," said Carpenter, calling the shooting "a tragedy for everybody involved."

 

[Geosurface]

It's not particularly surprising that his own defense attorney has positive things to say about him, of course, but it does possibly help chip away at the idea that this guy jumped out of bed, threw on his klan hood and grabbed his shotgun, and started unloading as soon as he verified it was a black person.

I don't know what happened, or if this guy even knew the race of the person(s) on his porch.

But I doubt he meant to kill someone who was just looking for help, and probably didn't mean to kill someone at all. I still think he's likely to be toast, and get charged and convicted, but that may be a second tragedy in addition to the tragedy of her dying.

It's sad to think of someone who is just going about living their life, and may have been a very nice, unassuming, productive member of society... suddenly having their entire world turned upside down, and potentially living out the rest of their days in prison, simply because their finger slipped while they were not fully awake yet, and in fear someone or multiple people were breaking into their house.

I'm not sure that was his situation, but it seems likely.

Of course, a 19 year old woman with her whole life ahead of her dying while she was merely seeking help is significantly more tragic.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So where is the proof that she was looking for help besides what the media is reporting?

Why didn't any neighbors hear the knocking on the door or anyone calling for help before the gunshot?

Why did she select this house when there's 20 to 30 more houses on the same block?

Seems like to me if there was the slightest evidence that showed this was either murder or manslaughter the home owner would have already been arrested and charged with the crime.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I am not "upset" about anything. I think its interesting that the same people jump to the same conclusion about people being criminals is all.

Yea, the girl is dead...and people are already performing character assassinations on her. But, that's OK. Nobody knows who the homeowner is but people already know that he probably didn't do anything wrong.


Did I say that she was completely innocent of any wrongdoing? Nope. But, I'm not about to sit here and pretend like I knew what kind of person she was. If that makes me "butthurt", "angry", and "upset". So be it.

This is becoming another media spin.
Parents are putting out what they want to paint of the girl (truth or not)
Some details are coming out from the investigation.
The guy who shot her is also having details put out.

Confusing and conflicting information from all sides because there is no authoritative source.

Similar type of spins and PR as 18 months ago in Florida.

Here there are many questions unanswered; once some have answers a better evaluation of the story/scenario/blame can be laid out.

A few that I would like to know?
How bad was the accident?
Did airbags deploy?
Condition of the cell phone - last few calls (time and length)
Were police dispatched when the accident was reported (if reported)?
Any other doors knocked on during the two hours?
ME report on the girl including toxicology.
Actual locations of the shooter and the girl?
Type of doors and any damage to the doors?
Any fingerprints of the girl on the door?
Angle of the shot?
Crime stats for the neighborhood?

 

[Geosurface]

A story on CBS site said she had neighbors helping her right after the accident who lived right by where she hit the car.

A neighbor interviewed said that when she went to call for help, the girl wandered off away from the accident scene and the neighbor couldn't find her when driving around the neighborhood looking.

If true, it seems clear she was likely high on something which helps explain accident, post-crash behavior, and threatening, erratic behavior at shooter's doorstep.

According to attorney Gerald Thurswell, McBride hit a parked car and "sustained bruises and lacerations" late Nov. 1 or early Nov. 2. Thurswell said that he spoke with people at a home near the scene of the accident who told him they came outside to help McBride and found her bleeding from the head.

"She kept telling them, 'I want to go home, I want to go home,'" he said.

Thurswell said that the neighbor went into her home to call 911, and when she came back outside and saw McBride was gone, got in her car to look for her - but couldn't track her down. Thurswell said McBride, whose cell phone was apparently dead, likely wandered the neighborhood for about an hour.

"She knocked on several doors and no one answered," said Thurswell.

The one man who did come to the door, apparently came armed with a shotgun. McBride was shot in the face and died on the man's front porch.