19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[BlitzPuppet]

They have not said anything about what may have caused her to collide with the vehicle.

Well she either sustained some head injuries (more severe than just bleeding from the head) was on something, or she's just not that bright.

Sad but there is a consequence for everything, she panicked and unfortunately paid for it with her life.

My question is why would she leave the scene and go knock on other peoples doors (waking them up in the middle of the night) when she was already getting help?

 

[SheHateMe]

Sad but there is a consequence for everything, she panicked and unfortunately paid for it with her life.

The fact that you are just dismissing this as a "consequence" is sickening.

Based on the testimony of the woman that tried to help her, she appeared to be suffering from a concussion. She was confused and wandered off....seemingly for hours. This is something that happens to people when they experience head trauma.

I wouldn't call that panicking.


Regardless of the circumstances of her colliding with the parked car...she deserved more than to just be shot down like a dog on someone's porch. That is not a "consequence" for her actions...that is yet another idiot on the other end of a gun taking someone's life......and I hope with everything in my heart that this man feels some consequences for his actions as well.

If this man is that trigger happy, maybe he shouldn't own a firearm. I'm not buying his accidental discharge story for one second.

My question is why would she leave the scene and go knock on other peoples doors (waking them up in the middle of the night) when she was already getting help?

Did you even bother to read what I commented to you?

 

[HumblePie]

Well she either sustained some head injuries (more severe than just bleeding from the head) was on something, or she's just not that bright.

Sad but there is a consequence for everything, she panicked and unfortunately paid for it with her life.

My question is why would she leave the scene and go knock on other peoples doors (waking them up in the middle of the night) when she was already getting help?

Maybe she needed to pee and didn't want to pop a squat?

 

[HumblePie]

They have not said anything about what may have caused her to collide with the vehicle.

By her behavior from witnesses at the scene, it seems a bit more than just a concussion to excuse her behavior. I'll wait for the toxicology report. If I was to venture a guess at this juncture, I believe she might have been tripping on something. Which can go a long way to explaining her odd actions such as hitting a parked car at night while alone. Leaving the scene of the accident. Leaving the area when she was already talking to someone giving help and calling 911 for her. Wandering a neighborhood knocking on doors for 2 hours. All those are behaviors far too strange for anyone of a sound mind. So either she has some really bad mental problems (which should preclude her from having a license to drive), or she was definitely on something.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

The fact that you are just dismissing this as a "consequence" is sickening.

I guess I'm sick then. I said it's a shame she died but I don't have the full story yet, so I'm not going to fully invest until I hear the entire story.

Did you even bother to read what I commented to you?

Yep, that's what prompted my questions. Concussion? Drugs? Alcohol? What were involved? Just bleeding from the head does not mean you had a concussion, she could have cut it on some debris in the car.

The fact that she crashed into a parked car raises a few flags for me.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yep, that's what prompted my questions. Concussion? Drugs? Alcohol? What were involved? Just bleeding from the head does not mean you had a concussion, she could have cut it on some debris in the car.

The fact that she crashed into a parked car raises a few flags for me.

Regardless if she was drunk, concussed, or on drugs does not mean anything to me. If she was not trying to force her way into the man's house or was not threatening in any way... she did not deserve to be killed. That is not something you can just pass off as a "consequence".

Wandering the neighborhood is irrelevant. Crashing into a parked car is irrelevant.

If she wasn't breaking the law or posing a threat to anyone she did not deserve to be killed. Period.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Regardless if she was drunk, concussed, or on drugs does not mean anything to me. If she was not trying to force her way into the man's house or was not threatening in any way... she did not deserve to be killed. That is not something you can just pass off as a "consequence".

Wandering the neighborhood is irrelevant. Crashing into a parked car is irrelevant.

If she wasn't breaking the law or posing a threat to anyone she did not deserve to be killed. Period.

I never said she deserved it, I said it was sad that she was killed.

If it turns out she was drunk or high during the accident/3 hour timeframe...it's about on the level (for me anyways) As someone getting road rage, getting out of their car to face the other driver, and getting killed in the process.

Both parties are at fault and are dumbasses.

But for right now since NONE OF US know the complete story, we can all agree that it is unfortunate and sad.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Regardless if she was drunk, concussed, or on drugs does not mean anything to me. If she was not trying to force her way into the man's house or was not threatening in any way... she did not deserve to be killed. That is not something you can just pass off as a "consequence".

Wandering the neighborhood is irrelevant. Crashing into a parked car is irrelevant.

If she wasn't breaking the law or posing a threat to anyone she did not deserve to be killed. Period.

And do we know if she was posing any threat? We know she broke the law by leaving the scene of an accident.
Crashing into a parked car is relevant; was it mechanical; was she distracted or under an influence.

One she crashed into a parked car; by itself that is dangerous; if it was the last two options, she apparently was not in control of her facilities. As a result; who knows what her behavior might have been after the fact.

There is only one side of the story - put out by the family and already partially invalid as facts were released.

Wait for all details, before rushing to judgment.

 

[SheHateMe]

I never said she deserved it, I said it was sad that she was killed.

You pretty much blamed her for what happened saying that it was a consequence to her actions.

If it turns out she was drunk or high during the accident/3 hour timeframe...it's about on the level (for me anyways) As someone getting road rage, getting out of their car to face the other driver, and getting killed in the process.

That's a pretty far reaching comparison. Why does it have to be IF she turned out to be drunk? Someone with a concussion could exhibit the same behaviors as a drunk person....She could have been completely sober...

Both parties are at fault and are dumbasses.

Why? Because she crashed into a parked car? Have you never done something incredibly foolish in your life?

But for right now since NONE OF US know the complete story, we can all agree that it is unfortunate and sad.

We can also agree that many of you are extremely judgmental of others. And sometimes, in the worst way.

We know she broke the law by leaving the scene of an accident.

haha. Everything has come full circle. People with concussions....breaking the law by wandering off after an accident.

It happens all the time. As someone stated above, this is why the area is searched for additional victims after an accident.

Crashing into a parked car is relevant; was it mechanical; was she distracted or under an influence.

One she crashed into a parked car; by itself that is dangerous; if it was the last two options, she apparently was not in control of her facilities. As a result; who knows what her behavior might have been after the fact.

Crashing into the car is irrelevant in determining whether the shooting was justified. If she was concussed and confused, she had no control over that.



If she was being threatening towards the homeowner, that's an entirely different issue.

There is only one side of the story - put out by the family and already partially invalid as facts were released.

Wait for all details, before rushing to judgment.

What I am saying has nothing do with her family. My comments about her wandering off came from the woman who told police about the state she found Renisha in after she crashed her car.


You guys trying to say she was drunk or on drugs because she crashed into a parked is rushing to judgement.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wrecking vehicles seems to have been common occurrence with her. I wonder if this had anything with her not sticking around after wrecking her car.

http://www.freep.com/article/20131108/NEWS01/311080097/renisha-mcbride-funeral-shot-dearborn

Krystal Byrd, 27, of Detroit, remembered her cousin as a successful young person, one who “had (good) things going for herself,” but had challenges behind the wheel.
“Her first car, she tore it up, and her daddy got her a new one. Anything she wanted, she got. And her second car, she tore that up too. And I think she did another one,” said Byrd, who wore a T-shirt emblazoned with “R.I.P. Cuzen.”

 

[SheHateMe]

I wonder if her showing signs of a concussion had anything to do with her not sticking around after wrecking her car?


You guys try to pass yourselves off as intellectuals and you can't even bother to read an eye-witness testimony.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

I wonder if her showing signs of a concussion had anything to do with her not sticking around after wrecking her car?


You guys try to pass yourselves off as intellectuals and you can't even bother to read an eye-witness testimony.

And you're a doctor/know her full medical history/were the witness?

We don't know if she even HAD a concussion. Fact: Bleeding from the head doesn't mean you have a concussion, she could have gotten a cut from some shit she had in her car.

Like I said earlier, she could have been high/drunk, batshit crazy, And/OR had a concussion. We don't know yet!

 

[Geosurface]

If she was not trying to force her way into the man's house or was not threatening in any way... she did not deserve to be killed.

If she wasn't breaking the law or posing a threat to anyone she did not deserve to be killed. Period.

Agreed 100%

But that doesn't mean we can't try to figure out if there was some tragic way that from the man's POV, she appeared to pose a threat.

 

[Pulsar]

Fear is obviously a big problem with some people. I'm sure we'll see some examples in this thread later.

I would be interested to hear from an NRA gun safety standpoint if this guy did anything wrong......

I'm not in the NRA, but I do support the right to own guns.

In this case, the guy should have never opened the door. If you're so nervous opening a door at night that you have to go get a shotgun, then you shouldn't be opening the door in the first place.

The guy needs to end up being tried. I just can't make up my mind what they should charge him with. Stupidity isn't illegal.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The fact no charges have been filed at this point make think that there's no evidence that shows this wasn't a homeowner protecting his home from a potential intruder. I think the family is aware of this as well and why they're trying to push a different narrative (ie, knocking on the door seeking help, shot in the back of the head as she was leaving, shot on porch and dumped down the street). None of the neighbors reported hearing any calls for help or knocking on a door prior to the gunshot.

 

[nehalem256]

Regardless if she was drunk, concussed, or on drugs does not mean anything to me. If she was not trying to force her way into the man's house or was not threatening in any way... she did not deserve to be killed. That is not something you can just pass off as a "consequence".

So you don't think that a drugged up woman banging on your house in the middle of the night is not in anyway threatening?

Wandering the neighborhood is irrelevant. Crashing into a parked car is irrelevant.

So basically you want to ignore 2 bizarre facts that were instrumental to her death?

 

[Geosurface]

What we've got here are several people willing to entertain and consider all possibilities in an effort to understand what happened, and why it happened.

And then a few other people who aren't really interested in finding out what happened, let alone why, because they've already decided it's another case for them to use as an example of racial injustice, guns being bad, etc.

Their posture seems to basically be "stop analyzing this situation, we're not trying to figure it out, we just want to bemoan it. Join us in outrage, or GTFO."

I guess if they want to unquestioningly swallow whatever the grieving family comes up with, and immediately decide the shooter must be some awful racist gun nut... then they're entitled to do that. I'd rather stay in the realm of reality, where things are more complex and where early reports and what the family thinks usually tend to line up with reality pretty poorly.

 

[SheHateMe]

And then a few other people who aren't really interested in finding out what happened, let alone why, because they've already decided it's another case for them to use as an example of racial injustice, guns being bad, etc.

Their posture seems to basically be "stop analyzing this situation, we're not trying to figure it out, we just want to bemoan it. Join us in outrage, or GTFO."

I guess if they want to unquestioningly swallow whatever the grieving family comes up with, and immediately decide the shooter must be some awful racist gun nut... then they're entitled to do that. I'd rather stay in the realm of reality, where things are more complex and where early reports and what the family thinks usually tend to line up with reality pretty poorly.

Nobody said anything about this happening because of race.

Nobody said guns were bad.

Nobody is in here rallying for her family.

Everything you just said is completely made up.

So basically you want to ignore 2 bizarre facts that were instrumental to her death?

Way to take that out of context of what I said.

 

[umbrella39]

It's on the Detroit border. Anyone who knocks on a strangers door at this time of night is immediately going into the "this person is trying to rob me" category.

Bullshit. Do you live here because if not making broad generalizations is pretty foolish. I played baseball as a kid and teen at Parkland Park a stone's toss away. When we lived in Dearborn Heights a few years back we'd take our kids down to Parkland Park just like thousands of others do with no issues. I drove past there yesterday since I had not been near outer drive and warren in a year or so and yep, outer drive leading towards warren is still rather nice with nice houses. Just because a few blocks down the road is Detroit does not mean folks that live in Dearborn Heights expect to be robbed if someone knocks on their door at that time of night. People in Dearborn Heights don't deal with Detroit problems often, they moved their police station to the Dearborn Heights/Inkster border as that is where the problems usually happen.

Again, let me clarify for those who keep repeatedly keep stating this was Detroit or should be treated as though it WAS Detroit.... bullshit. This is not a dangerous neighborhood.

 

[nehalem256]

I guess if they want to unquestioningly swallow whatever the grieving family comes up with, and immediately decide the shooter must be some awful racist gun nut... then they're entitled to do that. I'd rather stay in the realm of reality, where things are more complex and where early reports and what the family thinks usually tend to line up with reality pretty poorly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...hooting_n_4242199.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

She had been involved in a car accident over the city line in Detroit, and her family believes her cell phone died and she went to the home seeking help. Police put the timing of the crash at around 1:30 a.m. and the shooting around 3:40 a.m., according to the Detroit Free Press.

Like the fact the family claimed her cell phone died and she went to seek help, when in actuality she was wandering the streets of Detroit for 2+ hours with a "head injury".

 

[SheHateMe]

Bullshit. Do you live here....

Most of the time, the answer is no. Which is why people on the internet need to stop pretending like they are experts on Detroit and the surrounding areas.

All they do is let people like you and me that are from the area know that a lot of the people who hate on Detroit are as stupid as the people trying to keep Detroit from rebuilding.

 

[werepossum]

Her hair kinda looks like a hoodie.

LOL Dude! That is SOOO wrong!

Very odd story....who hits a parked car at 1:30AM?

Detroit + accident with a stationary vehicle + 2 hrs passing + getting shot because you scared a home owner= wtf?

Was the woman drunk or on some sort of drug?

Drunk people, sleepy people, stoned people, texting people, hydroplaning people, blowout-having people, map-reading people, headlight-blinded people, distracted people in general. People have done a LOT worse than hitting a parked car without being drunk or stoned. It takes only a mechanical failure, a misjudgment, or a tiny lapse in attention.

Regardless if she was drunk, concussed, or on drugs does not mean anything to me. If she was not trying to force her way into the man's house or was not threatening in any way... she did not deserve to be killed. That is not something you can just pass off as a "consequence".

Wandering the neighborhood is irrelevant. Crashing into a parked car is irrelevant.

If she wasn't breaking the law or posing a threat to anyone she did not deserve to be killed. Period.

I'd go farther than that. A grown man inside his house should not be so sufficiently threatened by a woman trying to get into his house that he shoots her, period, unless she actually gets in. This is not an unarmed woman alone, but a man with a shotgun, which beats rock, paper OR scissors.

That said, it's possible that she thought she was home and attempted to get into his house, either because she was drunk/stoned or because of her head injury. Many things are possible that would make the shooter not at fault. However - given the little we know and the possibilities, assuming that the shooter is at fault seems to be reasonable at this point as the ways one can be at fault for shooting an unarmed, injured woman drastically outnumber the one can be not at fault for shooting an unarmed, injured woman, both in sheer numbers and in perceived likelihood.

If it turns out we were wrong, we can always apologize to the Internet.

 

[bshole]

And do we know if she was posing any threat? We know she broke the law by leaving the scene of an accident.

I love your consistency. There have been tons of different threads regarding multiple incidents but you have been steadfast. Once you establish that the victim is a minority, the kill becomes justifiable no matter what the circumstances. Whether it is blasting an unarmed woman in a car with her baby or mowing down a 13 year old on the street with a toy gun... if they are minority, the kill is righteous.

 

[nehalem256]

I'd go farther than that. A grown man inside his house should not be so sufficiently threatened by a woman trying to get into his house that he shoots her, period, unless she actually gets in. This is not an unarmed woman alone, but a man with a shotgun, which beats rock, paper OR scissors.

Sounds like sexism to me.

 

[Geosurface]

I love your consistency. There have been tons of different threads regarding multiple incidents but you have been steadfast. Once you establish that the victim is a minority, the kill becomes justifiable no matter what the circumstances. Whether it is blasting an unarmed woman in a car with her baby or mowing down a 13 year old on the street with a toy gun... if they are minority, the kill is righteous.

Got any examples of him being hypocritical re: a story where a white got shot?

Seems to be what you're implying, so some evidence of racism or hypocrisy rather than just the implication of it, would be nice.

Sounds like sexism to me.

Agreed. This story could be all about female empowerment. Able to be seen as a threat just like a man.