19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[werepossum]

Sounds like sexism to me.

To the extent that reality reflects sexism and vice versa, it is. Men are simply more violent, more dangerous, and more capable of self defense than are women.

 

[Geosurface]

To the extent that reality reflects sexism and vice versa, it is. Men are simply more violent, more dangerous, and more capable of self defense than are women.

Agreed. I think what bothers some of us is the push for equality only in positive areas, and not in unpleasantness like the draft, work place deaths, incarceration, being seen as a threat, etc.

The sugar coated, rose-colored version of male existence feminists covet.

 

[werepossum]

Agreed. I think what bothers some of us is the push for equality only in positive areas, and not in unpleasantness like the draft, work place deaths, incarceration, being seen as a threat, etc.

The sugar coated, rose-colored version of male existence feminists covet.

Agreed, but is that really in question here?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wonder how long the review will take.

DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. (AP) - Michigan prosecutors say they've launched a review to decide whether to charge a suburban Detroit homeowner in the shooting death of a 19-year-old woman on his porch.
Wayne County prosecutor's office spokeswoman Maria Miller said Monday a warrant review process is underway as they await information from Dearborn Heights police. No arrests have been made related to the Nov. 2 death of Renisha McBride, who was shot in the face.
The case prompted calls for justice from civil rights groups. The 54-year-old homeowner hasn't been named but told investigators he thought someone was trying to break into his home and he accidentally discharged his shotgun.
Family members of McBride, an African-American, say she likely was seeking help after a car accident.
Messages were left with police and the homeowner's attorney.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region...ing-that-killed-Renisha-McBride#ixzz2kNan5yQP
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[Fern]

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That said, it's possible that she thought she was home and attempted to get into his house, either because she was drunk/stoned or because of her head injury.

Yes, that's a possibility. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened. I have seen stories where the 'confused' person has actually gotten into the (wrong) house and went to bed.

I noticed the neighbors who lived near her car accident claimed she repeatedly said she wanted to go home. She was walking for a couple of hours. It seems possible that she attempted to walk home. In her mental state (whether concussion or drugs) she may have believed she had arrived at her home.

I find it unbelievable that was attempting to break into and rob that home. After wrecking their car I just can't imagine a person would suddenly decide "oh well, maybe I'll just rob a home since my car's now wrecked. I can jog home carrying any big screen TV or stero I find."

Fern

 

[waggy]

Yes, that's a possibility. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened. I have seen stories where the 'confused' person has actually gotten into the (wrong) house and went to bed.

I noticed the neighbors who lived near her car accident claimed she repeatedly said she wanted to go home. She was walking for a couple of hours. It seems possible that she attempted to walk home. In her mental state (whether concussion or drugs) she may have believed she had arrived at her home.

I find it unbelievable that was attempting to break into and rob that home. After wrecking their car I just can't imagine a person would suddenly decide "oh well, maybe I'll just rob a home since my car's now wrecked. I can jog home carrying any big screen TV or stero I find."

Fern

I don't buy that she was trying to break in at all. I don't think she was.

I wonder if she was confused and thought it was her house. she was trying to get in and rattling the door. The homeowner scared grabbed his gun.

Now i have questions

How was his door? Where exactly was she shot?


just because you are concussed and confused does not give you the right to enter a house (btw same with being drunk wich happens often)



though it still looks like the guy just shot her out of fear while she was outside (again want to see how his door is). we don't have enough info just yet.

 

[SheHateMe]

How was his door? Where exactly was she shot?

A lot of homes in the Detroit area don't just have one door. There is typically a screen door, glass (the flimsy glass), or an iron door before the main door of the house.

I'm banking that this guy has one of these door types before his main door. The nicer ones a lockable. There is no way she was actually trying to break into his home, I'm not buying that unless he can produce some solid proof.

Reports say that she was shot near her mouth. I'm betting mid face because her family said that half of her face was gone and that they had to have a closed casket.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And do we know if she was posing any threat? We know she broke the law by leaving the scene of an accident.

I love your consistency. There have been tons of different threads regarding multiple incidents but you have been steadfast. Once you establish that the victim is a minority, the kill becomes justifiable no matter what the circumstances. Whether it is blasting an unarmed woman in a car with her baby or mowing down a 13 year old on the street with a toy gun... if they are minority, the kill is righteous.

I have always stated that the knee jerk reaction is not correct.
1) All the facts are not in
2) the media reports are usually skewed by the victim/family
3) Many times the victim carries some blame for getting into the situation

AND RACE never comes into play.

If the articles/threads that are posted are because one sees/involves a minority; I can not control that.

Earlier in this thread I posted the information that I wanted made available before a determination could be made on assign fault.

I also will state up front when provided information does not line up; such as in this one where the story of the family put out leaves serious questions and looks like a snow job to cover up the girl and her actions.

 

[waggy]

A lot of homes in the Detroit area don't just have one door. There is typically a screen door, glass (the flimsy glass), or an iron door before the main door of the house.

I'm banking that this guy has one of these door types before his main door. The nicer ones a lockable. There is no way she was actually trying to break into his home, I'm not buying that unless he can produce some solid proof.

Reports say that she was shot near her mouth. I'm betting mid face because her family said that half of her face was gone and that they had to have a closed casket.

yeah i haven't seen pictures of the door. was it shot through? was the door broken? etc.

 

[SheHateMe]

yeah i haven't seen pictures of the door. was it shot through? was the door broken? etc.

Nope.

Door looks fine from here...assuming this is the house after the shooting. They showed the house again on the news and went up on the porch. The blood had been cleaned off, but it did not look like the door had been changed...so I bet that this is in fact what the house looked like after the shooting.

And just like I thought, two doors. Looks like its lockable, too.

Very small porch. No windows near the door without having to leave the porch.........

...interesante.




*They took the photo of the house down*





Gun Store owner giving his opinion on accidental discharge of a shotgun

House is in the video, btw.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If she had actually opened the door. was entering when she was shot, and fell backwards onto the porch the prosecution will not be able to prove he couldn't reasonably fear he was in danger. The fact no charges have been filed I suspect this scenario is what occurred.

 

[SheHateMe]

Ok, so you think a girl who had been wandering the neighborhood...confused....somehow made her way into this man's home...

You think a 54 year old man, armed and living alone would leave his shit unlocked.....


I have a beach house I can sell you in Idaho.

 

[nehalem256]

Ok, so you think a girl who had been wandering the neighborhood...confused....somehow made her way into this man's home...

How do you know she as confused?

You think a 54 year old man, armed and living alone would leave his shit unlocked.....

Well the story does begin with a woman hitting a parked car and then wandering the streets of Detroit for 2 hours... based on all the other odd things going on I would assume yes.

 

[nehalem256]

Agreed. I think what bothers some of us is the push for equality only in positive areas, and not in unpleasantness like the draft, work place deaths, incarceration, being seen as a threat, etc.

The sugar coated, rose-colored version of male existence feminists covet.

Also, the fact that the left wants us to be upset, and screams racism, if we fear someone more just because they were black.

But for some reason we should automatically assume a woman could never cause us harm.

^_^

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ok, so you think a girl who had been wandering the neighborhood...confused....somehow made her way into this man's home...

You think a 54 year old man, armed and living alone would leave his shit unlocked.....


I have a beach house I can sell you in Idaho.

Are you now saying this is not a safe area and the person needs to lock his door to keep undesirables out? Umbrella39 made it sound like it was a nice area and you agreed with his post.

 

[SheHateMe]

Are you now saying this is not a safe area and the person needs to lock his door to keep undesirables out? Umbrella39 made it sound like it was a nice area and you agreed with his post.

lol what the fuck? No. I asked a simple question and you're trying to move goal posts.

 

[waggy]

Ok, so you think a girl who had been wandering the neighborhood...confused....somehow made her way into this man's home...

You think a 54 year old man, armed and living alone would leave his shit unlocked.....


I have a beach house I can sell you in Idaho.

it happens and happens more then you would think. IF it did YES he could show he was in FEAR of his life.

also sometimes you think its locked and it didnt. who knows..bottom line Is if she was in his house he has is justified in the shot.

NOt saying i think that is what happened. but it;s a possibility.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

lol what the fuck? No. I asked a simple question and you're trying to move goal posts.

If the neighborhood was in fact safe it's very possible he could have left the door unlocked lpotentially forgetting to check before he went to bed. From the statements his lawyer has released to the public and the lack of charges makes it very believable that the evidence will show that she was in the process of entering the house when she was shot.

 

[Geosurface]

Might explain why she ended up at that specific house, when there'd been so many other houses between the scene of the accident, and his house.

Might've been the first one she finally found with an unlocked front door.

Not saying I believe that, just throwing it out there.

The fact that she already had someone helping her, and calling 911 on her behalf way back at 1:30 when the accident actually happened, and she was repeating "I just want to go home" to that lady... but then she wanders off while the lady is calling 911, and the lady cannot find her while driving around the neighborhood...

COULD be consistent with the following scenario:

She's high, doesn't want to be breathalyzed or have her blood drawn, etc... says "I just want to go home" to the lady in a deluded, vain attempt to just secure a ride home from the lady without authorities being involved. Naturally, the lady does what anyone would do... and goes to call 911. Renisha panics, knowing she does NOT want to interact with police because she's high, maybe even has drugs on her. So is it possible she was actually hiding from the lady who was helping her?

Two hours might be the point where she finally decides to re-emerge and seek help again, having given herself some time to sober up, or satisfied herself that the cops weren't coming or were gone (did they come look for her? did the neighbor end up actually calling them?) She may also have ditched any drugs she might've had on her, in a bush or something.

Btw, apparently the autopsy showed she was shot from a bit of a distance. Not super close... so perhaps the guy was further back into his home, and saw her opening the door, and shot from a distance? I just don't know. It would be really interesting to get his statement to police.

I know a lot of people won't like me speculating down that road, but something along these lines could help explain her walking away from already having help, and reappearing later, and why she wrecked in the first place... etc.

Here's a timeline someone else assembled from reading all the articles they could find, which is interesting because I didn't realize she showed up again at 1:40, etc:

1:00 am ~ Police rec’d call about a non-injury accident, woman driving a 2004 Ford Taurus was speeding & hit a parked car. Occupant LEFT the scene of accident.
LE didn’t immediately respond as the accident was considered a “low priority” w/no injuries.
1:40 am ~ LE was called again as driver of the Taurus returned, LE immediately responded BUT when they arrived, McBride has left for the 2nd time.
3:40 am ~ McBride shot/killed at homeowner’s residence.

So if that's true, she had already secured assistance TWICE and forsook it TWICE. Why? Avoiding cops? Buying time? Incoherent and mentally compromised from head injury + other things?

We know this much: she was behaving oddly. Which could lend some credence to the shooter's account, if he claims she was behaving oddly or in a threatening fashion.

 

[HomerJS]

Also, the fact that the left wants us to be upset, and screams racism, if we fear someone more just because they were black.

But for some reason we should automatically assume a woman could never cause us harm.

^_^

You mean like the assumptions that she was either high, up to something or trying to break in?? And from the usual cast of characters??

People here who are speculating murder are asking a few basic questions that have yet to be answered.

 

[HomerJS]

it happens and happens more then you would think. IF it did YES he could show he was in FEAR of his life.

also sometimes you think its locked and it didnt. who knows..bottom line Is if she was in his house he has is justified in the shot.

NOt saying i think that is what happened. but it;s a possibility.

A few things don't square. H/O claimed accidental discharge. I don't believe you get to point a loaded gun at someone with your finger on the trigger and claim accidental discharge.

If you are in fear for your life someone ringing/knocking at 1am, don't answer.

Here is my speculative question, seems his fear kicked in when he saw the person. At that point he assumed break-in. If H/O thought is was break-in before opening door he could have called police and then grab his gun. So what made H/O assume break-in after id'ing person at the door??

 

[2timer]

Even if the shooting was accidental, the charge would still be manslaughter. Only way I could see criminal charges not being filed in this case, based on what we know so far, is if there was evidence of a break in. That would be the surest sign of legitimate self/home defense. And there is no evidence reported of a break in.

So I feel pretty confident this guy is fucked.

 

[Geosurface]

By accidental perhaps he meant he shot in reflexive moment of fear, and wasn't consciously deciding to. Or maybe it wasn't accidental in any way, but he claimed it was while panicking and trying to distance himself from the event. Which wouldn't preclude it being justified.

I personally have a very hard time imagining what she could have been doing which could have put him in that kind of legitimate fear enough to pull the trigger, at that moment. Then again, I wasn't there, I wasn't the guy who wasn't even fully awake yet and someone is trying to get into my house at 3:40am.

Something tells me he would not have shot her if she was just nicely knocking or ringing the doorbell. And her odd behavior at other points, confirmed by the other neighbor and police, and the odd timeline... lead me to believe she was likely behaving odd when at his door, too.

To what extent, and in what way? I do not know. Did it rise to the level where someone had any business shooting her? Doubtful, but you never know.

And I agree he's probably fucked. If I were him I would be taking cash out of the night ATM and making for one border or the other.

 

[nehalem256]

You mean like the assumptions that she was either high, up to something or trying to break in?? And from the usual cast of characters??

Assumption? By assumption you mean the most rational reason a person would hit a parked car and then wander around Detroit for 2 hours in the middle of the night?

People here who are speculating murder are asking a few basic questions that have yet to be answered.

Like where she disappeared to for 2 hours in between her "non-injury accident" and when she start banging on some strangers door in the middle of the night?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Assumption? By assumption you mean the most rational reason a person would hit a parked car and then wander around Detroit for 2 hours in the middle of the night?



Like where she disappeared to for 2 hours in between her "non-injury accident" and when she start banging on some strangers door in the middle of the night?

Non-injury? Just ignoring the witnesses who reported her as having head trauma then?