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Even the 3000G has 16 rops
That must be a reporting error, Vega3 has a 192:12:4 setup.
Even the 3000G has 16 rops
Instead of going through all the effort to practically reinvent the wheel to put a Zen2 design on GloFo 12nm, instead, do a Raven2/Dali style 7nm die with a single 4 core CCX and 4-6CU of Vega iGPU with only 8+4+4 PCIe lanes.
Pretty sure Renoir does HDMI 2.1 - media and display engine were brought over from RDNA. AV1 decode - not with RDNA2 I don't think. Maybe with RDNA3. Whether or not Rembrandt will get the same treatment as Renoir when it comes to media/display engine I have no clue.
That must be a reporting error, Vega3 has a 192:12:4 setup.Even the 3000G has 16 rops
A 12nm Zen 2 would have better power efficiency than 12nm Picasso and it will still be highly competitive against Intels 14nm SKUs (Core i3 10100 etc).
There is a huge market for Desktop APUs, the problem is that AMD doesnt have the resources to create more dies and invest money
HDMI 2.0 according to Asus.Yes, it has suport for 8K/60hz PC monitor or TV.
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GPU-Z reports 8 ROPS for all Renoir Vegas, both mobile and desktop.
Even the 3000G has 16 rops
HDMI 2.0 according to Asus.
Specifically, PN50 will pump 8K visuals at up to 30Hz via a single DisplayPort and at up to 60Hz through DisplayPort Dual-Mode (DP++)"
No 48Gb/s HDMI 2.1, 4K60 max.
Yeah, Renoir only brought AMD to ~20% market share in the mobile market.We needed Renoir to realise how good Picasso was
AMD said:We are seeing unprecedented demand for our AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile series processors based on leadership performance and energy efficiency. AMD Ryzen 4000 processor sales ramped faster than any mobile processor in AMD history. We are increasing production to address the incremental demand requests from our customers for AMD Ryzen 4000 series processors and are focused on growing our footprint in the notebook market.
Oh look, large Ryzen Mobile 4000 APU shortage due to serious uptick in demand from larger brands.
But how can this be? Renoir is surely too expensive.
Yeah, Renoir only brought AMD to ~20% market share in the mobile market.
Desktop APUs pricing and stock is directly linked to mobile APUs pricing and stock. Faking ignorance does not become you.Yeah, no one said anything about mobile.
Desktop APUs pricing and stock is directly linked to mobile APUs pricing and stock. Faking ignorance does not become you.
Nope AMD detailed that process normalised Zen2 is about ~15% switching capacitance improvement over Zen.I would think with the widened core and transistor growth in Zen2 that efficiency would take a nosedive vs Zen+ if both are on the same 12nm node. Especially at the relevant higher end desktop frequencies, 4ghz+, and if going with the huge desktop oriented L3.
Imho Zen+ is a very good match for 12nm and mainstream and budget oriented parts. I agree with Naukkis; there's little reason to invest and get an efficiency and possibly frequency decrease vs something that is already well tuned and matched for 12nm.
3200G stock with DDR4-3200 vs 4300G stock DDR4-4133
We needed Renoir to realise how good Picasso was
Now, there is something wrong with Renoir, not sure if the ROP reduction is the issue or what, but the 4300G has a massive clock/bandwidth advantage i cant belive the results are so close... even the lighter Rocket League was way too close.
This is like the perf jump from the 2200G to the 3200G.
If you're after the utmost in integrated graphics performance, the Renoir chips are undoubtedly the new king of the hill. At stock settings, the 4750G's Vega graphics engine performs roughly in line with the overclocked previous-gen Ryzen 5 3400G. After overclocking, the tuned 4750G beats the OC'd 3400G by 23% at the FHD resolution, and by 20% at 1280x720.
Tomshardware has a review out, but does not include the 4300G. I like the TLDR graphs.
Seems to disagree with the narrative we've been hearing lately. Also makes me question that video's accuracy.
Thats actually in line with what we saw so far, on the 3400G vs 4750Gs IGP... the 4750G it is always 5 to 15 fps faster depending on the game.
And they seem to confirm the really bad CPU perf in games, with the 4750G being below the 3300X in every test but one.
Good thing it does a lot better in productivity benchmarks, but i would want to see real world tests.
Really bad seems a bit hard. It's ~14% lower than the 3700X.
IMO it should be pretty close to the 3700X. Something funky is going on.
AMD's "GameCache" marketing may seem hokey, but L3 cache capacity clearly has a big impact on Zen 2's performance in latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming.
Nope AMD detailed that process normalised Zen2 is about ~15% switching capacitance improvement over Zen.
So Zen2 on 12nm should perform better then Zen on 12nm.
IMO it should be pretty close to the 3700X. Something funky is going on.
Nope AMD detailed that process normalised Zen2 is about ~15% switching capacitance improvement over Zen.
So Zen2 on 12nm should perform better then Zen on 12nm.
Well we know the L3 is important for gaming now, are there any tests that other than gaming show 'less L3 + high clock memory(fclk)' vs 'more L3 + less clock memory(fclk)' difference?