That's what I expect AMD to launch beginning of next year as successor to Dali, although I'm not expecting more than 4 CUs. I don't know whether they will use it for low end Ryzen-branded laptop chips or only for Athlon and Ryzen Embedded. However, I'll be surprised if they won't launch a Zen 2-based low power/budget APU (6-15W) at all. A year after Renoir, N7 should be cheaper per mm² and the whole SoC would be almost as small as a Zen 2 CPU chiplet.Instead of going through all the effort to practically reinvent the wheel to put a Zen2 design on GloFo 12nm, instead, do a Raven2/Dali style 7nm die with a single 4 core CCX and 4-6CU of Vega iGPU with only 8+4+4 PCIe lanes.
Yes, it has suport for 8K/60hz PC monitor or TV.Pretty sure Renoir does HDMI 2.1 - media and display engine were brought over from RDNA. AV1 decode - not with RDNA2 I don't think. Maybe with RDNA3. Whether or not Rembrandt will get the same treatment as Renoir when it comes to media/display engine I have no clue.
If they indeed halved the ROPs in Renoir then maybe they are double pumping it (or maybe this is also a reporting error) on demand. 8k@60Hz is a gargantuan upgrade from RR/Picasso.
I would think with the widened core and transistor growth in Zen2 that efficiency would take a nosedive vs Zen+ if both are on the same 12nm node. Especially at the relevant higher end desktop frequencies, 4ghz+, and if going with the huge desktop oriented L3.A 12nm Zen 2 would have better power efficiency than 12nm Picasso and it will still be highly competitive against Intels 14nm SKUs (Core i3 10100 etc).
12nm projects are relatively cheap vs 7nm projects. The Matisse chiplet and its IO hub exists (with IOX on 12nm), as does Vega 11. Merging 12nm Vega and 12nm IOX, plus adding a few CU would not be a massive ground up project.There is a huge market for Desktop APUs, the problem is that AMD doesnt have the resources to create more dies and invest money
HDMI 2.0 according to Asus.
Asus hardver is just a custom mini PC or motherboard.Asus can do what they wont, or shoot in the fog and hit in nothing.HDMI 2.0 according to Asus.
Specifically, PN50 will pump 8K visuals at up to 30Hz via a single DisplayPort and at up to 60Hz through DisplayPort Dual-Mode (DP++)"
No 48Gb/s HDMI 2.1, 4K60 max.
AMD said:We are seeing unprecedented demand for our AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile series processors based on leadership performance and energy efficiency. AMD Ryzen 4000 processor sales ramped faster than any mobile processor in AMD history. We are increasing production to address the incremental demand requests from our customers for AMD Ryzen 4000 series processors and are focused on growing our footprint in the notebook market.
Stock yes, price no. No one said anything about mobile Renoir being too expensive, starting from the point we have NO WAY to know the exact price and it does varies OEM to OEM.Desktop APUs pricing and stock is directly linked to mobile APUs pricing and stock. Faking ignorance does not become you.
Nope AMD detailed that process normalised Zen2 is about ~15% switching capacitance improvement over Zen.I would think with the widened core and transistor growth in Zen2 that efficiency would take a nosedive vs Zen+ if both are on the same 12nm node. Especially at the relevant higher end desktop frequencies, 4ghz+, and if going with the huge desktop oriented L3.
Imho Zen+ is a very good match for 12nm and mainstream and budget oriented parts. I agree with Naukkis; there's little reason to invest and get an efficiency and possibly frequency decrease vs something that is already well tuned and matched for 12nm.
Tomshardware has a review out, but does not include the 4300G. I like the TLDR graphs.3200G stock with DDR4-3200 vs 4300G stock DDR4-4133
We needed Renoir to realise how good Picasso was
Now, there is something wrong with Renoir, not sure if the ROP reduction is the issue or what, but the 4300G has a massive clock/bandwidth advantage i cant belive the results are so close... even the lighter Rocket League was way too close.
This is like the perf jump from the 2200G to the 3200G.
Seems to disagree with the narrative we've been hearing lately. Also makes me question that video's accuracy.If you're after the utmost in integrated graphics performance, the Renoir chips are undoubtedly the new king of the hill. At stock settings, the 4750G's Vega graphics engine performs roughly in line with the overclocked previous-gen Ryzen 5 3400G. After overclocking, the tuned 4750G beats the OC'd 3400G by 23% at the FHD resolution, and by 20% at 1280x720.
Thats actually in line with what we saw so far, on the 3400G vs 4750Gs IGP... the 4750G it is always 5 to 15 fps faster depending on the game.
Really bad seems a bit hard. It's ~14% lower than the 3700X. That's not bad when you consider you get a functional iGPU. Would be be nice if spent some of that cut CU space on cache though. That doesn't seem to stop them from flying off the shelves as coercitiv mentioned.Thats actually in line with what we saw so far, on the 3400G vs 4750Gs IGP... the 4750G it is always 5 to 15 fps faster depending on the game.
And they seem to confirm the really bad CPU perf in games, with the 4750G being below the 3300X in every test but one.
Good thing it does a lot better in productivity benchmarks, but i would want to see real world tests.
It's got 1/4 of that "GameCache" thingy. 8MB vs 32MB.IMO it should be pretty close to the 3700X. Something funky is going on.
AMD's "GameCache" marketing may seem hokey, but L3 cache capacity clearly has a big impact on Zen 2's performance in latency-sensitive workloads, like gaming.
Is it a similar number too vs Zen+?Nope AMD detailed that process normalised Zen2 is about ~15% switching capacitance improvement over Zen.
So Zen2 on 12nm should perform better then Zen on 12nm.
Probably simply the lack of a huge L3.IMO it should be pretty close to the 3700X. Something funky is going on.
That's all about backporting, thing that just appeared and everybody seems to think that it can be done to every silicon design. It can't, specially for Zen2 AMD stated that they have to do compromises to even 7nm design, they halve the L1i cache to be able to physically fit bigger uOP cache in design. Porting that design to 12nm would result to make many more much bigger compromises and resulting core design would be much slower than 14nm optimized Zen1 design without whole core redesign. And even with whole core redesign they can't come close to 7nm Zen2-design as there isn't as many transistors to be used in 12nm design as with 7nm.Nope AMD detailed that process normalised Zen2 is about ~15% switching capacitance improvement over Zen.
So Zen2 on 12nm should perform better then Zen on 12nm.
Well we know the L3 is important for gaming now, are there any tests that other than gaming show 'less L3 + high clock memory(fclk)' vs 'more L3 + less clock memory(fclk)' difference?
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