You Get a Text: Friends Detained by Ice

[Victorian Gray]

Shit stain you are, then.

Told ya. <shrug>

 

[Perknose]

Edit: Just saw the second link. The were ordered deported nine years ago, and decided to stay despite the order.
What's fucked up here is the process taking so long. Who can put their life on hold for twenty years? It should have been adjudicated in one year. The matter could have been settled and the people could have moved on with their lives. They should be allowed to stay simply because INS couldn't get it's act together.

Do you not GET the fact that they are Christian and Chinese from a country where BEING EITHER can be a death sentence? That an appeals court just chastised the BIA for denying a similar appeal?

The Court of Appeals ruling, written by Judge (and former Pennsylvania First Lady) Marjorie Rendell, and handed down in April – on Good Friday, no less – chastised the BIA for “an abuse of discretion” by essentially ignoring reams of documentation and evidence presented by the petitioner backing his claim that conditions for Christians in his homeland had deteriorated.

“Because the BIA did not explain its conclusion and did not meaningfully consider much of the evidence presented by Liem, we will grant his petition for review, vacate the denial of his second motion to reopen, and remand to the BIA for further proceedings consistent with this opinion,” the decision said.

I swear you, and other Make America White Again sympathizers here, routinely -- la di da da -- turn a blind eye to the despicable rot in our legal bureaucracies.

 

[Rebel_L]

So if it takes 20 years to convict a rapist should we set him free just because it took a while for the trial to complete?

Im pretty sure the legal system would and does exactly that. If the government is so inept that they are not able to do or decide things in a reasonable time frame they dont get a say. If the government could just throw you in jail for the next 20 years while they decide what your guilty of you would have the legal system of most dictatorships.

 

[Moonbeam]

In my opinion glenn1 is the way he is because nobody ever cared about him really. Unfortunately when that happens a person will generally become so callous him or herself that nobody will ever want to. In this way we create what we fear. We can live our whole lives feeling undeserving of love because that feeling can make us assholes. This too means that people who need psychological help won't get it.

 

[dank69]

Here are some more facts about their situation I found. I would like to know if this info makes you reconsider your reflexively heartless zenophobia.

They are ethnic Chinese and Christian and were living in a country where both groups were major targets during deadly riots in 1998 set off by the nation’s economic collapse under the strongman Suharto.

“Bad things were happening,” said Sinta Penyami Storms, who runs an Indonesian dance studio in South Philadelphia and is herself an immigrant. Food was scarce and unemployment was high.

“It was unsafe for them to go out. There was a lot of robbery of houses, and rapes of Chinese Indonesians,” Storms said. More than 300 people were killed in the unrest.

The couple is Catholic; Indonesia is majority Muslim, and although it is not a religious state, there is discrimination against Christians. “It’s hard to go to church, your church can’t get a permit to have a house of worship. They’re a double minority,” Storms said.

[...]

Indonesians are particularly vulnerable to deportation orders because, despite the continued harassment and sometime violence in their country against ethnic Chinese and Christians, many of them have been denied asylum.

But even now, those rejected can have their cases reconsidered if they can demonstrate that circumstances in their home country have significantly worsened since they originally filed their petition.

An Indonesian Christian man recently did that, Casazza said, and the Third Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order that the Bureau of Immigration Affairs (BIA) take his petition seriously. This ruling provides hope for his clients, Casazza said; three days after the Philadelphia couple was detained, he filed petitions on their behalf to reopen their case “on the grounds that there are changes in the circumstances in their home country regarding the treatment of Christians.”

The Court of Appeals ruling, written by Judge (and former Pennsylvania First Lady) Marjorie Rendell, and handed down in April – on Good Friday, no less – chastised the BIA for “an abuse of discretion” by essentially ignoring reams of documentation and evidence presented by the petitioner backing his claim that conditions for Christians in his homeland had deteriorated.

“Because the BIA did not explain its conclusion and did not meaningfully consider much of the evidence presented by Liem, we will grant his petition for review, vacate the denial of his second motion to reopen, and remand to the BIA for further proceedings consistent with this opinion,” the decision said.

^^^ Theirs was and remains a textbook case for political asylum. Don't be an all too eager lapdog for a cruelly unAmerican system.

Seems like a war on Christianity to me.

 

[glenn1]

Do you not GET the fact that they are Christian and Chinese from a country where BEING EITHER can be a death sentence? That an appeals court just chastised the BIA for denying a similar appeal?



I swear you, and other Make America White Again sympathizers here, routinely -- la di da da -- turn a blind eye to the despicable rot in our legal bureaucracies.

Their ability to appeal should be forever revoked as they ignored a deportation order. The quicker they’re deported the better.

 

[Perknose]

Seems like a war on Christianity to me.

Christians? None of them look like Pence! Black/brown and foreign Christians do not deserve the same support, unless they're promoting lethal homophobia. Remember, we don't give a fuck about dusky types, unless they're Israeli Jews shitting on the Palestinians. Got it? It's nuance done FudiePublican style!

 

[brycejones]

Their ability to appeal should be forever revoked as they ignored a deportation order. The quicker they’re deported the better.

I hope someday before you die you learn what having empathy feels like.

 

[cytg111]

Story is very sparse on details. Why is it taking 20 to resolve the case? Why were the couple picked up by ICE? What event's lead up to their arrest?
This could be government agents overstepping their bounds, it could be racism, or it could be the result of a legal and expected court order.
This was an event, a single segment in a 20 year saga. I'd like to know the rest of the story.

No.
The story parameters are as given. Now make a choice.

Or dont. Cause that is what you are doing anyway.
I dont like the story so I keep asking more questions until the answers stop coming and I can just forget about it anyway. Tug my self in at night and tell myself I am good boy.
Not having to face an uncomfortable truth about myself, ever.
Good job.

 

[Greenman]

Do you not GET the fact that they are Christian and Chinese from a country where BEING EITHER can be a death sentence? That an appeals court just chastised the BIA for denying a similar appeal?



I swear you, and other Make America White Again sympathizers here, routinely -- la di da da -- turn a blind eye to the despicable rot in our legal bureaucracies.

I get the facts. I didn't decide they couldn't stay. I observed that they had been ordered out nine years ago. Nine years, do you recall who was president at that time? It wasn't the make America white again crew. Someone way back then decided their case didn't meet the requirements for asylum, and ordered them deported. They decided to ignore that order.
I'd also note that you missed the part where I said they should be allowed to stay in the US. Did you not read that part? Or were you in such a hurry to brand me a racist that you missed it?

 

[Greenman]

No.
The story parameters are as given. Now make a choice.

Or dont. Cause that is what you are doing anyway.
I dont like the story so I keep asking more questions until the answers stop coming and I can just forget about it anyway. Tug my self in at night and tell myself I am good boy.
Not having to face an uncomfortable truth about myself, ever.
Good job.

Read my second post. I thought I hit the edit button, but I ended up quoting myself. I agreed with you Skippy, they should be allowed to stay.

 

[Perknose]

Their ability to appeal should be forever revoked as they ignored a deportation order. The quicker they’re deported the better.

The deportation order ignored clearly documented oppression unto lethality against Christians and Chinese. They were both. It was a flawed order, to put it mildly. The BIA has a documented history of ignoring valid claims of asylum put forth by those few Indonesian Christians who make it here, because reasons.

But, hey, the deportation order was an ORDER! Never mind Nuremberg, supporting it is just you FOLLOWING ORDERS, nicht wahr?

 

[DrDoug]

I hope someday before you die you learn what empathy is.

Unfortunately you will probably get your wish. People like glenn1 would shed tears if they had a pet die but have no problem coldly sending someone to a likely death. Conservatives are like that, they profess to love humanity while they shit all over select portions of it. If we are going to be serious about it, how about we go through every single family in this country and kick out the members that came from those of questionable immigration background. Lots of people got into this country because it was easy to do so way back then. I'm sure that more than a few of them came here illegally and were able to stay.

Just because you're white and a citizen here doesn't mean that your ancestors came here legally.

 

[glenn1]

The deportation order ignored clearly documented oppression unto lethality against Christians and Chinese. They were both. It was a flawed order, to put it mildly. The BIA has a documented history of ignoring valid claims of asylum put forth by those few Indonesian Christians who make it here, because reasons.

But, hey, the deportation order was an ORDER! Never mind Nuremberg, supporting it is just you FOLLOWING ORDERS, nicht wahr?

Your side ignores the rule of law and that due process occurred, then acts surprised as “xenophobia” rises. Honestly if the people in your story ignored orders to leave then I really care for government ignores orders they should be allow to appeal again either. Deport them.

 

[Jhhnn]

The deportation order ignored clearly documented oppression unto lethality against Christians and Chinese. They were both. It was a flawed order, to put it mildly. The BIA has a documented history of ignoring valid claims of asylum put forth by those few Indonesian Christians who make it here, because reasons.

But, hey, the deportation order was an ORDER! Never mind Nuremberg, supporting it is just you FOLLOWING ORDERS, nicht wahr?

Nuremberg? The Rally was great. The trials some years later, not so much.

 

[Perknose]

Your side ignores the rule of law and that due process occurred...

Due process? It was a kangaroo BIA court ignoring the fully documented validity of their petition for asylum, which they have continued to do to other Indonesian Christians down unto today. Due process, my ass. Not all "authority" is moral or correct. We told the Nazis that at Nuremberg.

 

[glenn1]

Due process? It was a kangaroo BIA court ignoring the fully documented validity of their petition for asylum, which they have continued to do to other Indonesian Christians down unto today. Due process, my ass. Not all "authority" is moral or correct. We told the Nazis that at Nuremberg.

The didn’t ignore it, they found it not compelling. I get it you don’t even care about due process and just want to get to your predetermined result. It’s why I say let’s stop the charade and just go open border.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's insanely chickenshit to reach down into the pile of cases to deport these people. Just reinterpret the rules & fuck 'em. Forget 20 years of being peaceful & productive members of the community. Forget that they're human beings rather than numbers.

 

[cytg111]

The didn’t ignore it, they found it not compelling. I get it you don’t even care about due process and just want to get to your predetermined result. It’s why I say let’s stop the charade and just go open border.

Big boy pants eh? Cant shoot em in the street so open the border wide open. Cause what other options could possibly exist?

 

[Jhhnn]

The didn’t ignore it, they found it not compelling. I get it you don’t even care about due process and just want to get to your predetermined result. It’s why I say let’s stop the charade and just go open border.

This isn't about current immigration at all. It's the legacy of the past. It's about a large number of people we let in long ago. It's about American citizen children, too. It's about being decent human beings. It's about acknowledging that they're already part of this great country.

 

[Vic]

Your side ignores the rule of law and that due process occurred, then acts surprised as “xenophobia” rises. Honestly if the people in your story ignored orders to leave then I really care for government ignores orders they should be allow to appeal again either. Deport them.

Wait.. so you're saying that denying these people due process and the rule of law for 20 years is the same as due process and the rule of law having already occurred? And you fancy to yourself that that logic upholds our rule of law? Clearly you know that doesn't make sense, particularly as our constitutional law specifically forbids it (6th amendment).
At the same time, after having lived as good citizens in our country for 20 years, why are we going through the time, effort, and expense of deporting them? What rational purpose does that serve?
You claim to be a small govt conservative, but yet you want these people to be inflicted with the biggest government possible. That unexplained contradiction is why 'your side' gets accused of racism, bigotry, and xenophobia.

 

[glenn1]

This isn't about current immigration at all. It's the legacy of the past. It's about a large number of people we let in long ago. It's about American citizen children, too. It's about being decent human beings. It's about acknowledging that they're already part of this great country.

It’s about you trying to stall and after 10-20 years saying “even though they were ordered deported a decade ago, we can’t deport them now, they’ve been here too long.” It’s open borders by run out the clock methods.

 

[Vic]

The didn’t ignore it, they found it not compelling. I get it you don’t even care about due process and just want to get to your predetermined result. It’s why I say let’s stop the charade and just go open border.

And, having lost any claim to logic, you jump straight to the open borders straw man.

 

[Vic]

It’s about you trying to stall and after 10-20 years saying “even though they were ordered deported a decade ago, we can’t deport them now, they’ve been here too long.” It’s open borders by run out the clock methods.

Even if this were true, why should we be eager to deport people who have lived in our country for 10-20 years as law-abiding citizens? If these people were criminals, or perpetually lived off the system, I would agree that deportation would be the correct choice. But from all accounts, that is not the case. So why don't we want the borders open to these kind of people?

 

[glenn1]

Even if this were true, why should we be eager to deport people who have lived in our country for 10-20 years as law-abiding citizens? If these people were criminals, or perpetually lived off the system, I would agree that deportation would be the correct choice. But from all accounts, that is not the case. So why don't we want the borders open to these kind of people?

Then change the fucking laws so that’s how asylum works. Don’t make up your own bullshit on the spot. Better yet just be honest with yourself and admit that you would never turn down an asylum seeker, thus spending all this money on the courts and shit is pointless.