You Get a Text: Friends Detained by Ice

Perknose

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https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/co...ppened when I tried to help them Perspective

You go to try and help. Your husband, a lawyer, goes to. This is just another small scale story of, "Lady, we don't give a fuck." Just another brick in the wall . . . of hate . . . repeated all over American daily.

Nobody cares. Nobody helps. Nobody even does their damn job. And our taxes all pay for this. We are complicit in treating human beings like trash.

Stories like this make me want to punch President Fat Fuck in the face . . . metaphorically.

Let me know if you can't access the link and I'll fill you all in.
 
Nov 11, 1999
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It's fucking shameful, isn't it?

My friends Elly and Fnu are asylum seekers from Indonesia who have been in this country for about 20 years as their case wound its way through the immigration system. They have two children who are American citizens. They are beloved members of the community, people who volunteer for everything. As with many asylum cases, their case has sometimes left them “out of status.” This is how their arrest was justified.
This should have been resolved in their favor long ago.
 

glenn1

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If their asylum case has been “Working its way through the system for 20 years” Their application probably deserves to be denied and then deported.
 
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"who have been in this country for about 20 years "

Far as I am concerned, long term residents should NOT be detained or relocated or forced anywhere.

Part of this issue IS collateral damage from the contest you're having with Trump over the wall. If the Admin cannot do what they want, they will do what they can. Which is aggression in pursuit of the law. Let them do the easy stuff, stop people at the border, and they won't be so inclined to do the cruel stuff.
 
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If their asylum case has been “Working its way through the system for 20 years” Their application probably deserves to be denied and then deported.
Because of what, exactly? Because they've been good residents who have American citzen children? Fuck it! Deport those nasty little brown bastids along with their parents! Make America White Again!
 

cytg111

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If their asylum case has been “Working its way through the system for 20 years” Their application probably deserves to be denied and then deported.
OR

Dear Sir

You asylum application has been denied, you must by insert-date either pass the citizen test or leave the country.

Best regards
USA.
 

Vic

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If their asylum case has been “Working its way through the system for 20 years” Their application probably deserves to be denied and then deported.
Why is the bureaucracy their fault?
 

cytg111

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Why is the bureaucracy their fault?
Doesnt matter, they should have gone home from where they came from before it came to this. Its their own fault. The real question is why not just shoot them in the street, the forced deportation process costs a lot of taxpayer dollars, havent they smooched enough already? /S
 

glenn1

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This should have been resolved in their favor long ago.
Because of what, exactly? Because they've been good residents who have American citzen children? Fuck it! Deport those nasty little brown bastids along with their parents! Make America White Again!
So if it takes 20 years to convict a rapist should we set him free just because it took a while for the trial to complete?


I don’t give a shit if it took 50 years for their asylum case to be denied and they had 100 US citizen kids, If the application is not accepted they need to be to deported and go the hell home.
 

cytg111

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So if it takes 20 years to convict a rapist should we set him free just because it took a while for the trial to complete?


I don’t give a shit if it took 50 years for their asylum case to be denied and they had 100 US citizen kids, If the application is not accepted they need to be to deported and go the hell home.
Do you realize you just made a perfect 5/7 "They dont send their best people" analogy?
 

glenn1

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Do you realize you just made a perfect 5/7 "They dont send their best people" analogy?
Do you does realize that you gave the perfect rationale for why via “remain in Mexico” policy is a good idea? Asylum-seekers should never be allowed into the country until their case has been approved for exactly the reason in the OP story.
 

cytg111

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Do you does realize that you gave the perfect rationale for why via “remain in Mexico” policy is a good idea? Asylum-seekers should never be allowed into the country until their case has been approved for exactly the reason in the OP story.
Its just shooting blanks up there isnt it?
Then what kind of problem will you have at the border?
OH YEA, THATS RIGHT.
But hey, you could always, you know, just shoot them when the approach or try to cross without papers. Good with you?
 
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Its just shooting blanks up there isnt it?
Then what kind of problem will you have at the border?
OH YEA, THATS RIGHT.
But hey, you could always, you know, just shoot them when the approach or try to cross without papers. Good with you?
He'll be right there with slow tossing grenades at kids in tunnels.
 

cytg111

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He'll be right there with slow tossing grenades at kids in tunnels.
Dude, where do I think I am going with this? ;) ... I am just inching away at it until he finds his own limit ... or does not... otoh I am thinking that it could be fun to find that limit and then wait for Trump to surpass it.
 

Perknose

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If their asylum case has been “Working its way through the system for 20 years” Their application probably deserves to be denied and then deported.
Here are some more facts about their situation I found. I would like to know if this info makes you reconsider your reflexively heartless zenophobia.

They are ethnic Chinese and Christian and were living in a country where both groups were major targets during deadly riots in 1998 set off by the nation’s economic collapse under the strongman Suharto.

“Bad things were happening,” said Sinta Penyami Storms, who runs an Indonesian dance studio in South Philadelphia and is herself an immigrant. Food was scarce and unemployment was high.

“It was unsafe for them to go out. There was a lot of robbery of houses, and rapes of Chinese Indonesians,” Storms said. More than 300 people were killed in the unrest.

The couple is Catholic; Indonesia is majority Muslim, and although it is not a religious state, there is discrimination against Christians. “It’s hard to go to church, your church can’t get a permit to have a house of worship. They’re a double minority,” Storms said.

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Indonesians are particularly vulnerable to deportation orders because, despite the continued harassment and sometime violence in their country against ethnic Chinese and Christians, many of them have been denied asylum.

But even now, those rejected can have their cases reconsidered if they can demonstrate that circumstances in their home country have significantly worsened since they originally filed their petition.

An Indonesian Christian man recently did that, Casazza said, and the Third Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order that the Bureau of Immigration Affairs (BIA) take his petition seriously. This ruling provides hope for his clients, Casazza said; three days after the Philadelphia couple was detained, he filed petitions on their behalf to reopen their case “on the grounds that there are changes in the circumstances in their home country regarding the treatment of Christians.”

The Court of Appeals ruling, written by Judge (and former Pennsylvania First Lady) Marjorie Rendell, and handed down in April – on Good Friday, no less – chastised the BIA for “an abuse of discretion” by essentially ignoring reams of documentation and evidence presented by the petitioner backing his claim that conditions for Christians in his homeland had deteriorated.

“Because the BIA did not explain its conclusion and did not meaningfully consider much of the evidence presented by Liem, we will grant his petition for review, vacate the denial of his second motion to reopen, and remand to the BIA for further proceedings consistent with this opinion,” the decision said.

^^^ Theirs was and remains a textbook case for political asylum. Don't be an all too eager lapdog for a cruelly unAmerican system.
 
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Here are some more facts about their situation I found. I would like to know if this info makes you reconsider your reflexively heartless zenophobia.

They are ethnic Chinese and Christian and were living in a country where both groups were major targets during deadly riots in 1998 set off by the nation’s economic collapse under the strongman Suharto.

“Bad things were happening,” said Sinta Penyami Storms, who runs an Indonesian dance studio in South Philadelphia and is herself an immigrant. Food was scarce and unemployment was high.

“It was unsafe for them to go out. There was a lot of robbery of houses, and rapes of Chinese Indonesians,” Storms said. More than 300 people were killed in the unrest.

The couple is Catholic; Indonesia is majority Muslim, and although it is not a religious state, there is discrimination against Christians. “It’s hard to go to church, your church can’t get a permit to have a house of worship. They’re a double minority,” Storms said.

[...]

Indonesians are particularly vulnerable to deportation orders because, despite the continued harassment and sometime violence in their country against ethnic Chinese and Christians, many of them have been denied asylum.

But even now, those rejected can have their cases reconsidered if they can demonstrate that circumstances in their home country have significantly worsened since they originally filed their petition.

An Indonesian Christian man recently did that, Casazza said, and the Third Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order that the Bureau of Immigration Affairs (BIA) take his petition seriously. This ruling provides hope for his clients, Casazza said; three days after the Philadelphia couple was detained, he filed petitions on their behalf to reopen their case “on the grounds that there are changes in the circumstances in their home country regarding the treatment of Christians.”

The Court of Appeals ruling, written by Judge (and former Pennsylvania First Lady) Marjorie Rendell, and handed down in April – on Good Friday, no less – chastised the BIA for “an abuse of discretion” by essentially ignoring reams of documentation and evidence presented by the petitioner backing his claim that conditions for Christians in his homeland had deteriorated.

“Because the BIA did not explain its conclusion and did not meaningfully consider much of the evidence presented by Liem, we will grant his petition for review, vacate the denial of his second motion to reopen, and remand to the BIA for further proceedings consistent with this opinion,” the decision said.

^^^ Theirs was and remains a textbook case for political asylum. Don't be an all too eager lapdog for a cruelly unAmerican system.
They're not white, that is enough for glenn.
 
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Here are some more facts about their situation I found. I would like to know if this info makes you reconsider your reflexively heartless zenophobia.

They are ethnic Chinese and Christian and were living in a country where both groups were major targets during deadly riots in 1998 set off by the nation’s economic collapse under the strongman Suharto.

“Bad things were happening,” said Sinta Penyami Storms, who runs an Indonesian dance studio in South Philadelphia and is herself an immigrant. Food was scarce and unemployment was high.

“It was unsafe for them to go out. There was a lot of robbery of houses, and rapes of Chinese Indonesians,” Storms said. More than 300 people were killed in the unrest.

The couple is Catholic; Indonesia is majority Muslim, and although it is not a religious state, there is discrimination against Christians. “It’s hard to go to church, your church can’t get a permit to have a house of worship. They’re a double minority,” Storms said.

[...]

Indonesians are particularly vulnerable to deportation orders because, despite the continued harassment and sometime violence in their country against ethnic Chinese and Christians, many of them have been denied asylum.

But even now, those rejected can have their cases reconsidered if they can demonstrate that circumstances in their home country have significantly worsened since they originally filed their petition.

An Indonesian Christian man recently did that, Casazza said, and the Third Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order that the Bureau of Immigration Affairs (BIA) take his petition seriously. This ruling provides hope for his clients, Casazza said; three days after the Philadelphia couple was detained, he filed petitions on their behalf to reopen their case “on the grounds that there are changes in the circumstances in their home country regarding the treatment of Christians.”

The Court of Appeals ruling, written by Judge (and former Pennsylvania First Lady) Marjorie Rendell, and handed down in April – on Good Friday, no less – chastised the BIA for “an abuse of discretion” by essentially ignoring reams of documentation and evidence presented by the petitioner backing his claim that conditions for Christians in his homeland had deteriorated.

“Because the BIA did not explain its conclusion and did not meaningfully consider much of the evidence presented by Liem, we will grant his petition for review, vacate the denial of his second motion to reopen, and remand to the BIA for further proceedings consistent with this opinion,” the decision said.

^^^ Theirs was and remains a textbook case for political asylum. Don't be an all too eager lapdog for a cruelly unAmerican system.
You think that stain cares about any of what you posted?
 
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Story is very sparse on details. Why is it taking 20 to resolve the case? Why were the couple picked up by ICE? What event's lead up to their arrest?
This could be government agents overstepping their bounds, it could be racism, or it could be the result of a legal and expected court order.
This was an event, a single segment in a 20 year saga. I'd like to know the rest of the story.
 
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Story is very sparse on details. Why is it taking 20 to resolve the case? Why were the couple picked up by ICE? What event's lead up to their arrest?
This could be government agents overstepping their bounds, it could be racism, or it could be the result of a legal and expected court order.
This was an event, a single segment in a 20 year saga. I'd like to know the rest of the story.
Edit: Just saw the second link. The were ordered deported nine years ago, and decided to stay despite the order.
What's fucked up here is the process taking so long. Who can put their life on hold for twenty years? It should have been adjudicated in one year. The matter could have been settled and the people could have moved on with their lives. They should be allowed to stay simply because INS couldn't get it's act together.
 

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