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HumblePie said:
And that is the difference of opinion. Home defense is a strategy to deter or make bad guys not invade or your home or flee before harm comes to anyone. You guys wanting to kill someone the moment they cross over your doors thresh hold are psycho.

Hell it might just have been a drunk ass neighbor that got dropped off by a taxi cab and didn't realize the house he got dropped off was his. He could have lost his keys earlier and thought to go in through the window thinking the house was his. Sure it is a stupid mistake on his part but is it a mistake worth killing someone over? You slide the pump on a shotgun will most assuredly let that drunk ass neighbor know that he went into the wrong house without actually killing him.
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So you racking a shotgun in the scenario you just made up is more effective than me arming myself silently and approaching the unsub quietly until I asses the threat?

Even in your made up scenario you are still failing to realize you can do the exact some thing with the sound of a ARs action cycling. Sure, tell me its louder, but its not.

Oh and if he's too fucked up to realize he's breaking in to someone elses house, then the sound of a gun isn't going to deter him. Trust me, I've beaded on drunks and they don't flinch much.
 
GuitarDaddy said:
Why? So you can sneak up on him and kill him? Right 😕

You guys are such tactical military badasses:whiste:

In the vast majority of cases of home intrusion the intruder is not armed. and will flee at the first sign that someone is in the home. And the object should be to protect your family and your property which is best accomplished by making the intruder leave. Actually shooting someone in you home is the very last thing you want to have to do, trust me.

Do you really want to turn on the light to find that you've killed an unarmed 16yo kid? Not me
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I am an avid martial artist and I value life. Yes I would sneak up on him, my intention will be to control the situation, if I need to end a life to do that I will, but it won't be my initial intention.
 
FDF12389 said:
A. Giving away your position is retarded in the first place, you looked smarter before bringing it up.

B. In regards to the bolded part, no, just no. That part of the shotgun should slide smoothly, the majority of the noise will be metal on metal when the chamber closes.

C. Again, neither action is louder or more recognizable, so you entire argument is garbage.

But please, keep digging.
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For the first part. Home invaders are not a damn war game. They are there because a) prank like neighborhood kids b) sneaking in to be with your daughter after hours c) mistook your house mistakenly d) are in there to steal something and think no one is home e) in the very rare case are looking to hurt a defenseless person in the house f) are cops busting in to get your ass.

A shotgun racking sound is going to scare the shit out of all cases of A) through D) in the majority of cases of people busting in your house. It will still scare the shit out of the majority of those in case E) because they are looking for someone defenseless to hurt. Letting you know that you have a gun and are ready to use it shows that you are no longer defenseless. Since the majority of home break end cases are A through D cases resorting to killing your daughters boyfriend is not the smart thing to do.


As for the sound. Again you are being stupid. The actual "sliding" of the forend is not making a sound. No shit. But as a user you slam that forend down hard to force the bolt to make contact harder than normal and it is going to make a louder sound. Also some models of shotguns DO make a sliding sound when the forend is moving.
 
HumblePie said:
Depends upon the load out of the shot. Slugs don't spread at all. Standard buckshot spreads some, but takes a few yards to reach a decent spread. Still even a few feet away it is enough to hit someone standing in a doorway or hallway. Bird shot will spread like crazy though.
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did you look at the videos?
 
FDF12389 said:
A. Giving away your position is retarded in the first place, you looked smarter before bringing it up.
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Depends on wether you fighting an imaginary guerilla war in your head, or you are trying to get an intruder to leave your home.

And I'm guessing all you stealthy tactical geniusies would actually be too busy soiling your pants or shooting yourselves in the foot if actually confronted with a home invasion situation anyway
 
GuitarDaddy said:
Depends on wether you fighting an imaginary guerilla war in your head, or you are trying to get an intruder to leave your home.

And I'm guessing all you stealthy tactical geniusies would actually be too busy soiling your pants or shooting yourselves in the foot if actually confronted with a home invasion situation anyway
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No he thinks he's a ninja. Just like scheinderguy thinks all home invasions are fucking zombies.
 
GuitarDaddy said:
Depends on wether you fighting an imaginary guerilla war in your head, or you are trying to get an intruder to leave your home.

And I'm guessing all you stealthy tactical geniusies would actually be too busy soiling your pants or shooting yourselves in the foot if actually confronted with a home invasion situation anyway
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I'm done. Spend some time investigating residential homicides and then talk to me. My experience causes me to form a different opinion, I'll agree to disagree if that's cool with you.
 
FDF12389 said:
I can tell you from experience that giving away your position is a bad idea, so is letting the intruder know you are armed. Racking your gun loudly does both.
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What experience???? I was in them military. I own guns, and swords, and know how to use them. Defending your home is NOT A FUCKING WAR GAME. It not a game at all and you making shit up like you are going to sneak up on someone is treating such a situation like a game. Which makes me question any "experience" you've had. Speaking of which, the statement you made makes it sound like youve had your home invaded, tried to scare them off with the racking sound of a gun, and it didn't work and somehow lost the ensuing life or death fight with a home invader. In which case you more than likely should be dead and not posting as a troll.
 
As for reference, the majority of break ins that happen after hours are not forced entry break ins. It's because most people forgot to lock their back door after letting their dog piss for the last time in the night, or left their garage door open, or the kids came in from outside playing in the yard with other kids and forgot to lock the front door. Then the home owner was too damn tired after a long day at work that they had a few beers and watched too many damn shows on TV before passing out. Only to drag themselves to bed and forget to alarm their house.

Basically inviting people to come in and steal their shit. Most would be anonymous burglars just go from house to house seeing which one is the easiest pickings. They are looking to score money or perhaps drugs and get the fuck out.

The majority of crimes that involve a break in where the criminal is intent upon harming the occupants are done by someone known the victim. Meaning you pissed someone off and they are coming into your home to kick the crap out of you while thinking you are defenseless to stop them.

Only the rarest of cases has someone breaking into a person's home with multiple invaders hell bent on doing harm to a random family within regardless of any home defense measures the person has in place. In which case if this happens you are screwed as a home owner. You are not fucking rambo or a damn ninja. If several assailants are in your home and are heavily armed and looking for blood they are going to get it. You might take a few out with you, but they will take you down. Again the likely hood of this happening is less than winning the lottery. It can happen, and has happened, but home invasions are not the end scene of Scar Face.
 
You are more likely to have your home invaded by the cops than armed criminals with intent to harm you. Either way, you are probably dead.
 
Malak said:
You are more likely to have your home invaded by the cops than armed criminals with intent to harm you. Either way, you are probably dead.
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Do you have any support for that or did you make it up?

At least for me, I haven't known anyone that have had the police break into their home (wrong address warrant or otherwise) yet I know of 3 people in my neighborhood who have had people come into their homes, tie them up at gunpoint and ransack their house. Oh, they were beaten, too.

I guess the robbers thought the homeowners were holding out on valuables.
 
HumblePie said:
For the first part. Home invaders are not a damn war game. They are there because a) prank like neighborhood kids b) sneaking in to be with your daughter after hours c) mistook your house mistakenly d) are in there to steal something and think no one is home e) in the very rare case are looking to hurt a defenseless person in the house f) are cops busting in to get your ass.

A shotgun racking sound is going to scare the shit out of all cases of A) through D) in the majority of cases of people busting in your house. It will still scare the shit out of the majority of those in case E) because they are looking for someone defenseless to hurt. Letting you know that you have a gun and are ready to use it shows that you are no longer defenseless. Since the majority of home break end cases are A through D cases resorting to killing your daughters boyfriend is not the smart thing to do.


As for the sound. Again you are being stupid. The actual "sliding" of the forend is not making a sound. No shit. But as a user you slam that forend down hard to force the bolt to make contact harder than normal and it is going to make a louder sound. Also some models of shotguns DO make a sliding sound when the forend is moving.
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You're way off base. Most of the time they ARE armed. Why would a criminal break into a house, knowing the home owner can kill him dead without penalty and not want to protect himself? They normally aren't alone and the smart ones come in multiple entrances (ring the doorbell, 2-3 bum rush that while the other breaks in window).

You're living in fairy tale land that is not substantiated by police reports after the fact. That you want to give away your position says everything. A criminal entering a home knows there is a chance they could die for that action and is willing to protect their life to the death, I want the odds in my favor. AR is chambered, safety on. Shotgun is chambered, safety on. Handguns throughout the house are chambered, ready to fire. If one wants a firearm for home/life protection then they had better be prepared to best use it for that purpose, not trying to scare somebody.
 
spidey07 said:
You're way off base. Most of the time they ARE armed. Why would a criminal break into a house, knowing the home owner can kill him dead without penalty and not want to protect himself?
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Statistics I saw showed the majority weren't armed and nobody got hurt unless the home owner was armed. It is extremely rare for armed invaders to attack you without provocation.
 
Kelvrick said:
Do you have any support for that or did you make it up?

At least for me, I haven't known anyone that have had the police break into their home (wrong address warrant or otherwise) yet I know of 3 people in my neighborhood who have had people come into their homes, tie them up at gunpoint and ransack their house. Oh, they were beaten, too.

I guess the robbers thought the homeowners were holding out on valuables.
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Should it be any surprise that you know more regular people than criminals? Think about who invades who.
 
Malak said:
Should it be any surprise that you know more regular people than criminals? Think about who invades who.
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So we're talking about a regular homeowner wanting a home defense weapon against potentially armed criminal trespassers and you are talking about statistics regarding criminal homes getting raided by police?
 
Personally,
I have a shotgun and 2 handguns loaded in the house at all times.
If the grandkids come over, the guns go in the safe. With my M4 and various other firearms.
 
Kelvrick said:
So we're talking about a regular homeowner wanting a home defense weapon against potentially armed criminal trespassers and you are talking about statistics regarding criminal homes getting raided by police?
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It is already obvious you are unlikely to be invaded by criminals and statistics show being armed actually makes it more likely to get hurt, but nobody cares about statistics. People buy guns because they think it is cool or think they should or any other justification not actually related to it being the right decision.
 
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