"The Bible is the basis for Christianity. Teaching a Bible studies course would be tantamount to the "establishment of a religion" which is strictly forbidden by the Federal Constitution."
Where?
Where?
As long as they teach studies of all the religious books out there then it's fair! Don't just teach one and not the others.
Umm...1st Amendment.
The letter of the law says Congress shall make no law but the courts have, in their history, shown that government entities (including schools) have fallen under that umbrella (just take the Roy Moore case as an example.)
Here... allow me to translate that:
According to what the Founding Fathers wrote, and taken in the full context of all of their other writings that often cited how important STATES? RIGHTS were and how the Federal Government shouldn't medal in them? in THAT ORIGINAL CONTEXT, only the FEDERAL CONGRESS would have to abstain from the establishment of a specific religion. HOWEVER? after a bunch of self-seeking individuals pushed the courts, the meaning of the Constitution was reinterpreted from what the original intent was and now we have this mess where citizens of a state cannot even decide simple things like having a Bible Study in school because the Federal Government will push its power beyond its true authority.
Yeah? that was a mouthful, but I think that?s a better translation of what you said.
Now I?m off for Choir practice, then to teach Jr. High Sunday School and then attend a Worship Service and sing with the Choir.
Joe
Who Home Schools Just So He Won?t Have To Deal With The Unpatriotic Laws and Teachings of Today
Which is completely fine with me!
I don't want my children having to endure narrow-minded views and Creationism.
BTW, Thomas Jefferson *did* want to include freedom *from* religion in the original text and James Madison supported him.
Nice little article...esp. the section on "Displaying The Ten Commandments":
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sep_c_st.htm#ten
BTW, it's "mettle", not "medal".
No, but a comparative religions or comparative beliefs class would be okay. A class to focus on bible study alone would be a little out of place.
No, Atheist class would consist of studying religion more so than the religious people do, mainly Christians. I've found that they do not study the Bible, they recite the Bible, like a bunch of drones.
That being said, I have no problem with Bible studies in class. It would be a great place for kids to understand how much of a joke the Bible is. You can point out how donkeys and snakes used to talk. You can also point out how the all knowing God thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Or how God teaches parents to kill their kids if they curse them. Yes, alot of topics to cover. Hell, I'll volunteer to teach the class. When does enrollment start?
An emphatic no. An after school club yes, but no way in hell as a course during the day which counts towards your GPA and you get credit for. Also, if you take any AP history class or AP English class, a large portion of it involves religion. For instance, when I took AP World History, a large chunk of a quarter was spent talking about the 5 major religions, their beliefs and their impact on history. In my AP English Literature class this year, almost every book we read, there is some biblical allusion that the teacher talks about.
Because you can read and study any religious writing you'd like in school as long as it has nothing to do with Christianity. We must be tolerant of all religions. Except Christianity of course. The hypocrisy is incredible. *sigh*
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Good or bad, you can't deny that she's right. No other single book has had even close to the amount of influence on Western culture as the Bible.
That said, I don't think it has a real place in public high schools. There is simply not enough time available to high schools to fit it and the necessary other courses that come with it into their curriculum. Plus high schools exist to create a general foundation knowledge in preparation for a focusing of interest in college. High schools just don't have the time necessary to go into the details that a class like this would demand. As far as at university, it should absolutely be offered. Then again, colleges have the resources to offer the other religious studies classes to limit bias and have the resources to delve deeply into the literary roots of the books. People in high school aren't even going to read hundreds and hundreds of pages by obscure (and not so obscure) theologians and historians that are helpful for an understanding of only the few undisputed letters of Paul.
I should also point out that, in almost all cases, a theologian is more concerned with deciphering what the text actually said than with pushing any particular agenda. One can see this in Schweitzer's theology as he does not come out with an ideology that is all that functional.
ZV
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While people try to use the medieval period as evidence of how the church screws things up, it's a view based on ignorance. The idea of witch-hunting came in at the tail-end of the medieval period, and is far more attached to Rennaissance thought than to medieval thought. The subjegation of women did not really being until approximately the same time, and even then it was not until the Victorian age that the idea of women as inferior really reached its peak.
I'm sorry, but the facts are against you if you're going to try to use the medieval period as an example of a terrible time.
ZV
yea well, people have different ways of interpreting the constitution... nobody is right or wrong, it's just a matter of opinion.
Then see my later post. You do not study a hammer to learn about modern architecture. Screw the bible, how about how relgion was used to oppress everyone. Or how the corrupt activities caused the Western History as we know it.
The contents of the Bible are completely pointless. As are the beliefs of the religion.
Geez, that's well and dandy. Thanks for the history lesson. Now what's your stance? My above statement merely reflects my view/opinion of this topic. To clarify for you "I believe in the separation of church and state".
interesting... how was science doing during the middle ages though? you had galileo, but the church got rid of him...
BIBLE STUDY IS NOT OBJECTIVE STUDY OF CHRISTIANITY!!!!! It's a completely different thing from a class that studies Islam, or studies Christianity, or studies Hinduism.
If you allow one religion the privelege to have study classes, you HAVE to allow all religions the same privilege. Then you get some "christian" parents up in arms because the little John or Jane might be exposed to other thoughts and ideas.
"" are to emphasize the trouble I have reconciling some peoples brand of "christianity" with Christianity!
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