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ManBearPig

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JackBurton said:
I just scored 10 boxes (box of 50) of 9mm ammo for $13.99 & $16.99 each. Not bad.
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Honestly, how is this cheap? At walmart its like $20 for 100 rounds of 9mm. Or like $21.40 or something now. I know its not in stock often, but still, compared to that those prices are kinda steep.
 
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JackBurton

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exdeath said:
Back pressure? Not sure that has anything to do with it.

The recoil spring is calibrated to a certain mass bullet/slide/barrel system. The slide/barrel must have the same momentum as the bullet in equal and opposite directions, and the recoil spring is designed for that momentum. Throwing the suppressor on it increases substantially the amount of mass that must recoil, and the bullet needs to be higher mass to compensate with additional recoil energy to accelerate the slower mass against the spring to cycle completely.

Or go with a lighter spring.

Remember handguns aren't gas operated, they are modified Browning short recoil. They function due to mass/recoil/equal and opposite momentum, not gas pressure.
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That sounds right ex. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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JackBurton

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kazaam said:
Honestly, how is this cheap? At walmart its like $20 for 100 rounds of 9mm. Or like $21.40 or something now. I know its not in stock often, but still, compared to that those prices are kinda steep.
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When shooting ranges are charging $30 for a box of 50, I'd say it's a pretty good deal. It could definitely be found for cheaper, but I'm good with $13.99.
 
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Local store just got 10,000 rounds of Federal XM193 in. Selling them in 1000 rounds packs for $399.

Not bad.
 
exdeath

exdeath

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Nice. M193 all over here too but M855 is a little more scarce.

Been picking up a lot of PMC 62 gr green tip locally, some of the nicest 556 there is.
 
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CurseTheSky

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exdeath said:
Back pressure? Not sure that has anything to do with it.

The recoil spring is calibrated to a certain mass bullet/slide/barrel system. The slide/barrel must have the same momentum as the bullet in equal and opposite directions, and the recoil spring is designed for that momentum. Throwing the suppressor on it increases substantially the amount of mass that must recoil, and the bullet needs to be higher mass to compensate with additional recoil energy to accelerate the slower mass against the spring to cycle completely.

Or go with a lighter spring.

Remember handguns aren't gas operated, they are modified Browning short recoil. They function due to mass/recoil/equal and opposite momentum, not gas pressure.
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Desert Eagle super-awesome-hand-cannon. :awe:

Now with the CT 10-round limit on magazines, I kind of want one...
 
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Been looking at getting a .22 pistol for a while, but I'm not going to buy one while there is no .22lr ammo to be found.

Stupid Texans, I think I'm in the heart of the panic-buying culture.
 
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CurseTheSky said:
Desert Eagle super-awesome-hand-cannon. :awe:

Now with the CT 10-round limit on magazines, I kind of want one...
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One of the very few exceptions. :cool:

Desert Eagle is old news.

S&W .500 Magnum with a 3" barrel ftw.

Just in case. Never know when zombie dump trucks are going to come looking for you.
 
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JEDI

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exdeath said:
One of the very few exceptions. :cool:

Desert Eagle is old news.

S&W .500 Magnum with a 3" barrel ftw.

Just in case. Never know when zombie dump trucks are going to come looking for you.
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thats what M855 rounds are for?
 
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exdeath said:
Back pressure? Not sure that has anything to do with it.

The recoil spring is calibrated to a certain mass bullet/slide/barrel system. The slide/barrel must have the same momentum as the bullet in equal and opposite directions, and the recoil spring is designed for that momentum. Throwing the suppressor on it increases substantially the amount of mass that must recoil, and the bullet needs to be higher mass to compensate with additional recoil energy to accelerate the slower mass against the spring to cycle completely.

Or go with a lighter spring.

Remember handguns aren't gas operated, they are modified Browning short recoil. They function due to mass/recoil/equal and opposite momentum, not gas pressure.
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I've never fired a weapon with a suppressor on it, but, this doesn't make sense. The suppressor is fitted to the barrel... The barrel doesn't move with the slide, so, there is no additional weight added to the slide.

However a longer barrel will increase the velocity of the bullet. Something you need to know if you're trying to stay subsonic. The increase is probably negligible though. In the testing I've done, I think I saw like 30 fps increase with an extra inch on the barrel. Not really sure how a suppressor affects that.

Fiocchi makes a subsonic 9mm, 147gr round. Look for 9apd and it is less than 1100 fps. I've shot these Fiocchi rounds, and, I found that I much prefer 124gr in 9mm. I just don't like the way the 147s felt.
 
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Phanuel

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The suppressor adds weight to the barrel and the pistol has to slightly lift the barrel (on a non-1911 platform). Which means now the round has to move the slide and the additional weight added by the suppressor. Either a weaker mainspring in the pistol to offset this or a different spring in the booster of the suppressor to help the pistol mitigate having to move the additional weight.
 
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JackBurton

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Phanuel said:
The suppressor adds weight to the barrel and the pistol has to slightly lift the barrel (on a non-1911 platform). Which means now the round has to move the slide and the additional weight added by the suppressor. Either a weaker mainspring in the pistol to offset this or a different spring in the booster of the suppressor to help the pistol mitigate having to move the additional weight.
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I think using better ammo would be the most effective way to resolve jamming issues when using a suppressor. Yes you can swap out springs, but I just think that is counterproductive. Either use supersonic 115/124 gr or 147 subsonic ammo. If that fails, THEN a spring swap out would be the next logical step.
 
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147 gr is perfect if it provides the additional momentum to cycle and is sub sonic. /done
 
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BladeVenom

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desertdweller said:
I've never fired a weapon with a suppressor on it, but, this doesn't make sense. The suppressor is fitted to the barrel... The barrel doesn't move with the slide, so, there is no additional weight added to the slide.
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The barrel does start to move with the slide. Then they unlock and the back end of the barrel tips down, while the slide keeps going.
 
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Sluggo

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Genx87

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I stopped into the Cabelas in Rogers MN on Monday night. They had plenty of all ammo types as well black rifles. The salesman told me demand has dropped off a lot in the past 3 weeks. They are still not taking custom orders. But hoping that will change given the drop in demand. Two guns I want to purchase by end of year. But they dont carry and will need a custom order to get.
 
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exdeath

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Sluggo said:
Got some of that this morning, missed the 124gr 9mm, but got the 147gr.

Those 1k round boxes of .22 are still there, they must have a bunch of them.
Also got a 500 round box of the .22, good day!

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoo...BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104691780%3Bcat104536080
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That's unplated lead (LRN) though even though the pic shows plated. Be careful ordering from Cabelas, they often have multiple products under one product page, so double check the actual item variant being added.
 
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