YACT, video of a SRT-4 Dusting a WRX and a modded Talon

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: geno
NFS, you realize how BIG of a jump 1 second is in 0-60? I mean, I love the quality and the (little bit of) prestige the Mini has, but for 20k I'm taking the car with 100 more horses.

Mini Cooper S has 163HP. 100 more horses would make the SRT-4 have 263

It surely isn't 1 second that I'm gonna miss driving to the grocery store, to work, or to school. Sure, it'd matter if I were trying to race some other jackass at a stoplight who has something to prove, but last time I raced someone, I got slapped with a ticket (which I got out of with a Prayer for Judgement). I'm not stupid enough to make that mistake again.

The Mini S is a slow, pussy, piece of crap.. 1 second worse 0-60? that's pretty bad. bring the SRT down 1 more second and you're in super-car 0-60 territory. the SRT has a nice interior too. it's no longer "rental class" or whatever you called it... face it man.. it's a sweet car.. or can you not handle the fact it's better than anything else you like?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: johneetrash

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: geno

Neon SRT-4 2939 lbs; 245 ft-lbs
WRX 3085 lbs; 217 ft-lbs

THAT could have something to do with it

Really? I wasn't aware that only weight/torque had to do with acceleration

Low-end torque sure would help out a lot in getting the SRT-4 off the line. The lack of torque is what henders the S2000 in the same position.

or just give it more torque steer.

Torque steer is one of the reasons why I wouldn't bother with a FWD car with alot of power. Gimme AWD or RWD anyday.

How much torque steer does the SRT-4 exhibit? The Car and Driver road test I read did not mention it.

So you are a bench racer? Figures.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NFS4


If they didn't want it to be judged by those numbers, then they shouldn't publish those numbers I keep a running database in my head of all the horsepower numbers of every vehicle that steps onto the market and I'm pretty good at keeping it in check. But when you start mixing in published figures with @ the crank numbers, I say screw it.

The manufacturer has settled on a number for the car. If Dodge wanted to have even more bragging rights with the SRT-4, they could have published a higher number than they did...but they DIDN'T. So I hold them to the numbers they publish.

That's being kind of ignorant of reality. There are, I guess you'd say for 'political' reasons, car manufacturers underrate their motors, it's actually not uncommon. So that insurance cost doesn't kill market for said car, vehicle model pecking order, etc.

V8 LS1 fbody, new Altima, new Accord, there has all been talk of underrated HP figures to some degree.

If it's really true that the consistently SRT4 puts down 220 HP, on a dyno, at the wheels, it's basically a given that the motor puts out substantially more HP than the manufacturer's rated spec.

It's just a fact and law of physics, that you can't get out more power than you put in, especially when you consider the typical ~15% drivetrain loss.

BTW, for a car that is underrating their motor, estimated at the crank values is comparable to manufactuer's HP figures for cars where the rating is legit.

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: geno

Neon SRT-4 2939 lbs; 245 ft-lbs
WRX 3085 lbs; 217 ft-lbs

THAT could have something to do with it

Really? I wasn't aware that only weight/torque had to do with acceleration

Low-end torque sure would help out a lot in getting the SRT-4 off the line. The lack of torque is what henders the S2000 in the same position.

The video on the first post is on the freeway. An S2000 would have given the SRT-4 a run for its money on the freeway.

 

[Mill]

Like OS said lots of manufacturers underrate the car and enthusiasts later find out what kind of power they are actually making. Good examples of this are the LS1 and the '03 Cobra. I would not doubt one bit that the Neon is making that kind of power.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Like OS said lots of manufacturers underrate the car and enthusiasts later find out what kind of power they are actually making. Good examples of this are the LS1 and the '03 Cobra. I would not doubt one bit that the Neon is making that kind of power.

i wouldnt't doubt at all either seeing how fast the damn car is

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: geno

Neon SRT-4 2939 lbs; 245 ft-lbs
WRX 3085 lbs; 217 ft-lbs

THAT could have something to do with it

Really? I wasn't aware that only weight/torque had to do with acceleration

Low-end torque sure would help out a lot in getting the SRT-4 off the line. The lack of torque is what henders the S2000 in the same position.

Actually that low-end torque might cause a problem in the SRT-4 during launching depending on how the front diff/suspension is. Do they come with some form of LSD in the front? I would expect the WRX to have a faster 1/4mi time (I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know the numbers).

Also, I believe buyers of the RSX-S, Celica GTS, SE-R, SVT Focus, Mazdaspeed Protege, WRX, and SiR will cross shop with the SRT-4. Out of those cars listed, I think only the WRX and possible the Protege are valid competitors to the SRT-4 on the performance and fun-to-drive aspects. Cause that is what all those listed cars are about: performance and fun-to-drive factors. Everything else is just secondary! Interior fit-finish and mileage concerns are replaced by how good the stock seats are and where you can place Boost gauges/turbo timers and afcs.

And I am quite happy for this fact. The SRT4 will usher in a new wave of hot cars that have me drooling. Big thumbs up to Dodge/Chysler for this!

 

[CraigRT]

well said Mad Indian.. the SRT doesn't have LSD, but apparently it hooks up pretty good for the 1/4 mile run!

 

[NFS4]

Also, I believe buyers of the RSX-S, Celica GTS, SE-R, SVT Focus, Mazdaspeed Protege, WRX, and SiR will cross shop with the SRT-4.

None of those cars listed (with the exception of the WRX) even come close to touching the speed of the SRT-4. Dodge's entry into that field is the Neon R/T. Also, interior quality isn't an issue for the cars mentioned above (save maybe for the WRX) b/c each one of those cars has excellent interiors and fit-finish. At least 3 leagues above the Neon on any level.

Fit and finish isn't a concern b/c it is EXPECTED from Toyota, Mazda, Honda, Acura, and Nissan. A Toyota or Honda without excellent fit and finish is like Ying without the Yang. Fuel economy isn't a concern b/c the 4-bangers in those cars are already frugal.

As I said before, the Neon SRT-4 really doesn't have a direct competitor at all in its class. The Neon SRT-4's competitors are riced out Civics. Hell, I even think that Dodge's top brass even admitted this as truth. The Neon SRT-4 is Dodge's attempt to offer from the factory what kiddie ricers do to their Civics.

 

[LAUST]

So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

I've been on a waiting list for an SRT-4 for 6 months so far... hope this helps

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

I've been on a waiting list for an SRT-4 for 6 months so far... hope this helps

it does , finally give you the ability to brag rightfully

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

I've been on a waiting list for an SRT-4 for 6 months so far... hope this helps

it does , finally give you the ability to brag rightfully

I still want that black Dakota R/T though... even if the 360 is blah.. it's a nice truck.
BTW LAUST, congrats on 6k posts.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

Net racers = suck

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

I've been on a waiting list for an SRT-4 for 6 months so far... hope this helps

it does , finally give you the ability to brag rightfully

I still want that black Dakota R/T though... even if the 360 is blah.. it's a nice truck.
BTW LAUST, congrats on 6k posts.

Yeah, I still think you should go for a new Cummins though since you "HAVE" to have a Dodge Truck get a banks 4" exhaust, you'll be able to tow all your toys with ease

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

I've been on a waiting list for an SRT-4 for 6 months so far... hope this helps

it does , finally give you the ability to brag rightfully

I still want that black Dakota R/T though... even if the 360 is blah.. it's a nice truck.
BTW LAUST, congrats on 6k posts.

Yeah, I still think you should go for a new Cummins though since you "HAVE" to have a Dodge Truck get a banks 4" exhaust, you'll be able to tow all your toys with ease

but I'm a V8 kinda guy (when talkin trucks)
Maybe I'll wait a few years and pick up a HEMI Ram in a while!

 

[adlep]

Subaru WRX STI...
Anyhow, I think that the Subaru is a much better car anyway....

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST
So when does all the bragging about sh!t you people don't even own get over and you punks get to the track on your own for some REAL racing off the bench type stuff?

I've been on a waiting list for an SRT-4 for 6 months so far... hope this helps

it does , finally give you the ability to brag rightfully

I still want that black Dakota R/T though... even if the 360 is blah.. it's a nice truck.
BTW LAUST, congrats on 6k posts.

Yeah, I still think you should go for a new Cummins though since you "HAVE" to have a Dodge Truck get a banks 4" exhaust, you'll be able to tow all your toys with ease

but I'm a V8 kinda guy (when talkin trucks)
Maybe I'll wait a few years and pick up a HEMI Ram in a while!

Not me, once I decide to sell my current one with all the new Diesels out on the market today I will NEVER touch a gas engine truck again, not enough torque unless you supercharge it and even with boost the mialge is 1/2 of Diesel trucks. Not to mention the longevity of diesel, there is just no comparison anymore... during the days of the detroit and the 7.2's sure... but now with VVT and DI... I wouldn't even look anywhere but the green pump

 

[CraigRT]

Not me, once I decide to sell my current one with all the new Diesels out on the market today I will NEVER touch a gas engine truck again, not enough torque unless you supercharge it and even with boost the mialge is 1/2 of Diesel trucks. Not to mention the longevity of diesel, there is just no comparison anymore... during the days of the detroit and the 7.2's sure... but now with VVT and DI... I wouldn't even look anywhere but the green pump

I dunno man.. I like diesel and all... but I've never owned a V8.. don't you think I have to own at least one? personally I love the sound of a V8 more than anything else in the world..

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Yield

Not me, once I decide to sell my current one with all the new Diesels out on the market today I will NEVER touch a gas engine truck again, not enough torque unless you supercharge it and even with boost the mialge is 1/2 of Diesel trucks. Not to mention the longevity of diesel, there is just no comparison anymore... during the days of the detroit and the 7.2's sure... but now with VVT and DI... I wouldn't even look anywhere but the green pump

I dunno man.. I like diesel and all... but I've never owned a V8.. don't you think I have to own at least one? personally I love the sound of a V8 more than anything else in the world..

Think on that for a few years....

What do I want... a bunch of useless noise, or do I want some fuggin serious POWER!

BTW I get more compliments on how quiet and powerful my truck is then anything else

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Not me, once I decide to sell my current one with all the new Diesels out on the market today I will NEVER touch a gas engine truck again, not enough torque unless you supercharge it and even with boost the mialge is 1/2 of Diesel trucks. Not to mention the longevity of diesel, there is just no comparison anymore... during the days of the detroit and the 7.2's sure... but now with VVT and DI... I wouldn't even look anywhere but the green pump

I dunno man.. I like diesel and all... but I've never owned a V8.. don't you think I have to own at least one? personally I love the sound of a V8 more than anything else in the world..

Think on that for a few years....

What do I want... a bunch of useless noise, or do I want some fuggin serious POWER!

BTW I get more compliments on how quiet and powerful my truck is then anything else

I see what you're saying about the power. turbo diesel is definitely sweet. I dunno...we'll see. I still like cars too.. (20th anniversary Maxima anyone)
Ideally I'd like to have a car and a truck... but that's $$$ I don't have yet.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Not me, once I decide to sell my current one with all the new Diesels out on the market today I will NEVER touch a gas engine truck again, not enough torque unless you supercharge it and even with boost the mialge is 1/2 of Diesel trucks. Not to mention the longevity of diesel, there is just no comparison anymore... during the days of the detroit and the 7.2's sure... but now with VVT and DI... I wouldn't even look anywhere but the green pump

I dunno man.. I like diesel and all... but I've never owned a V8.. don't you think I have to own at least one? personally I love the sound of a V8 more than anything else in the world..

Think on that for a few years....

What do I want... a bunch of useless noise, or do I want some fuggin serious POWER!

BTW I get more compliments on how quiet and powerful my truck is then anything else

I see what you're saying about the power. turbo diesel is definitely sweet. I dunno...we'll see. I still like cars too.. (20th anniversary Maxima anyone)
Ideally I'd like to have a car and a truck... but that's $$$ I don't have yet.

With your love of Mopars and your want for V8 power I don't know why you keep screwing around... why not get yourself a 71 charger with a 440 and have it over with

 

[StageLeft]

I'm not one to buy a domestic but in its class the new Neon totally destroys the competition. I mean thoroughly mops the floor for performance.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: boyRacer
<--- still regreting losing that vid of the altima spanking the s2000...

link?

that's what i'm looking for... i remember it coming right after the new altima came out...

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Yield

Not me, once I decide to sell my current one with all the new Diesels out on the market today I will NEVER touch a gas engine truck again, not enough torque unless you supercharge it and even with boost the mialge is 1/2 of Diesel trucks. Not to mention the longevity of diesel, there is just no comparison anymore... during the days of the detroit and the 7.2's sure... but now with VVT and DI... I wouldn't even look anywhere but the green pump

I dunno man.. I like diesel and all... but I've never owned a V8.. don't you think I have to own at least one? personally I love the sound of a V8 more than anything else in the world..

Think on that for a few years....

What do I want... a bunch of useless noise, or do I want some fuggin serious POWER!

BTW I get more compliments on how quiet and powerful my truck is then anything else

I see what you're saying about the power. turbo diesel is definitely sweet. I dunno...we'll see. I still like cars too.. (20th anniversary Maxima anyone)
Ideally I'd like to have a car and a truck... but that's $$$ I don't have yet.

With your love of Mopars and your want for V8 power I don't know why you keep screwing around... why not get yourself a 71 charger with a 440 and have it over with

honestly man, i got a lead on a 68 Road Runner with a 383 in it.. I am going to inquire come spring.