Xbox One and Forza's Shameless Micro transactions

[American Gunner]

If this were a f2p game I'd be inclined to agree. However you're paying to unlock content you've already paid for in this case. Doesn't bother me that people want to do it except that it gives the devs incentive to make the grind for unlocks so hard that you'll just relent and buy the cheat. I'm not a fan of the F2P grind for everything mode of gameplay and I hate to see it take over paid games as well.

If that's the case, why do I have to wait to unlock abilities in RPG's. I already paid for the game, I should just have them all up front. Why do I have to unlock guns in shooter by leveling up, they should just give them to me right away. I mean, I already paid $60 for the game, right?

 

[cmdrdredd]

If that's the case, why do I have to wait to unlock abilities in RPG's. I already paid for the game, I should just have them all up front. Why do I have to unlock guns in shooter by leveling up, they should just give them to me right away. I mean, I already paid $60 for the game, right?

Lol...I want full dragon bone, all shouts, all spells, and be max sword and shield in skyrim from day one. I think that took me around 60hours to get normally.

 

[American Gunner]

Lol...I want full dragon bone, all shouts, all spells, and be max sword and shield in skyrim from day one. I think that took me around 60hours to get normally.

I agree. How dare game companies expect up to put in time to unlock in game items. Who do they think they are?

 

[purbeast0]

guys, stop making sense. that's not what this thread is for.

 

[ImpulsE69]

And the 5 of you CLEARLY do not get it. At all. But..then what's new. Why come here and argue? We disagree with you. Go play your games, come back in 5-7 years when you have to pay to even get to the next level. Damn we're so entitled...how dare we. :hmm:

 

[American Gunner]

guys, stop making sense. that's not what this thread is for.

You're right. We need to get back to talking about how evil Microsoft is and how they are the root of all of gamings problems.

 

[American Gunner]

And the 5 of you CLEARLY do not get it. At all. But..then what's new. Why come here and argue? We disagree with you. Go play your games, come back in 5-7 years when you have to pay to even get to the next level. Damn we're so entitled...how dare we. :hmm:

No I get it, but it's too easy to poke holes in there arguments. Care to show me at all how Forza or Gran Turismo for that matter giving you the option to pay money for cars instead of just doing races is going to shift to you having to pay to play the next level in games in the future?

Like I said above, every game has some form of grinding. For some reason, people are flipping out about you having the option to pay to level, when MS and Turn 10 haven't made it neccesary to do. You can still do races.

 

[purbeast0]

And the 5 of you CLEARLY do not get it. At all. But..then what's new. Why come here and argue? We disagree with you. Go play your games, come back in 5-7 years when you have to pay to even get to the next level. Damn we're so entitled...how dare we. :hmm:

yes, i disagree with you, so i "dont get it" ... you got me.

 

[purbeast0]

No I get it, but it's too easy to poke holes in there arguments. Care to show me at all how Forza or Gran Turismo for that matter giving you the option to pay money for cars instead of just doing races is going to shift to you having to pay to play the next level in games in the future?

Like I said above, every game has some form of grinding. For some reason, people are flipping out about you having the option to pay to level, when MS and Turn 10 haven't made it neccesary to do. You can still do races.

and again, the first game i saw do this was tiger woods probably 06 or 07, i don't even know what version it was. it might have even been earlier than that. back then though you didn't hear people complaining too much about it. back then people were still complaining about how you had to pay for xbl but ps3 was free online. but now that you have to pay for ps4, there has to be something new to complain about.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Lol...I want full dragon bone, all shouts, all spells, and be max sword and shield in skyrim from day one. I think that took me around 60hours to get normally.

Bethesda didn't include any cheat codes in Skyrim, and that's fine. We're complaining about companies that choose to include cheat codes, but charge you real money to use them. And, incidentally, things like Battlefield and Assassin's Creed now have the "unlock everything by paying for it" as an option, which includes multiplayer unlocks. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make by referencing Skyrim, but paying for the ability to unlock things stems from the exact same entitlement mentality, it's just based around your ability to pay for it. How is that better?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Bethesda didn't include any cheat codes in Skyrim, and that's fine. We're complaining about companies that choose to include cheat codes, but charge you real money to use them. And, incidentally, things like Battlefield and Assassin's Creed now have the "unlock everything by paying for it" as an option, which includes multiplayer unlocks. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make by referencing Skyrim, but paying for the ability to unlock things stems from the exact same entitlement mentality, it's just based around your ability to pay for it. How is that better?

Did you even bother to read the post I quoted and replied to? I was joking about why you have to grind it out to get good stuff and why I can't just buy my way up to it.

Also assassins creed 4 has cheats you have to unlock by completing challenges in the game. You can NOT buy them. Then when you use them, you dont get your game saved. You can redeem credits from uplay you obtain by completing challenges for special weapons or armor. You were talking about buying stuff you already paid for. You only pay the $60 for the base game on the disk or in the download. Anything extra is not part of that package no matter how entitled to it you might feel.

You are arguing nonsensically.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Did you even bother to read the post I quoted and replied to? I was joking about why you have to grind it out to get good stuff and why I can't just buy my way up to it.

You are arguing nonsensically.

If your post was sarcastic, I didn't catch that. As for my argument, I see two distinct types of microtransactions: there are add-ons which provide new content to the game (car packs, new maps, new missions, etc.), and there are unlocks (paying real money to unlock things which would normally be unlocked through regular game play). Of these two, I'm sometimes opposed to the first, depending on how it is developed and priced, but I see the value in it. I'm always opposed to the second. Cheat codes to unlock everything used to be free; they still are, actually (GTA 5 came out two months ago and has dozens of cheat codes that can be freely entered). Paying real money for such an item is preposterous to me.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If your post was sarcastic, I didn't catch that. As for my argument, I see two distinct types of microtransactions: there are add-ons which provide new content to the game (car packs, new maps, new missions, etc.), and there are unlocks (paying real money to unlock things which would normally be unlocked through regular game play). Of these two, I'm sometimes opposed to the first, depending on how it is developed and priced, but I see the value in it. I'm always opposed to the second. Cheat codes to unlock everything used to be free; they still are, actually (GTA 5 came out two months ago and has dozens of cheat codes that can be freely entered). Paying real money for such an item is preposterous to me.

You aren't paying for codes. The game has no cheats or codes you are paying for. You are simply bypassing the grinding which would be required normally.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You aren't paying for codes. The game has no cheats or codes you are paying for. You are simply bypassing the grinding which would be required normally.

wooosh. Someone drank the kool-aid.

 

[cmdrdredd]

wooosh. Someone drank the kool-aid.

No, someone actually knows what they're talking about.

There are no codes, no cheats, no hacks. You are simply bypassing the entire career in order to go online with all the better toys.

 

[purbeast0]

so what you all are saying ... is that when i bought gameshark and game genie 20 years ago, i was supporting these shameless micro transactions?

 

[Wingznut]

so what you all are saying ... is that when i bought gameshark and game genie 20 years ago, i was supporting these shameless micro transactions?

You bastard!

 

[ImpulsE69]

No, someone actually knows what they're talking about.

There are no codes, no cheats, no hacks. You are simply bypassing the entire career in order to go online with all the better toys.

Seriously..you so missed the point. But..keep trying.

(here's a hint, we transcended Forza pages ago)

 

[cmdrdredd]

Seriously..you so missed the point. But..keep trying.

(here's a hint, we transcended Forza pages ago)

Here's a hint for you...it doesn't matter the game. They are all the same. You bypass the grinding. That's it. Every game has the grinding before you get all the end game stuff, including Mario.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Game must be a real blast as much as you guys are in this thread repeating the same "no it doesn't" lines over and over rather than playing it.

At least you somewhat understand the angle. However you are still missing the point.

 

[Bateluer]

Wow . . . some of the comments in here make me downright sick. Supporting microtransactions in a 60 dollar AAA launch title? Are you serious?! Microtransactions are the ultimate nickel and dime act to extract more money from customers. It used to be that 'grinding' was a derogatory term, thrown out in contempt of games and companies. Now, people are throwing it out like its normal. Bullshit. Regarding the Skyrim comment a few posts up, you are experiencing the game world, its story, its characters through the gameplay. You are not wadding through the same dungeon over and over and over, simply to get a better weapon unlocked.

Nobody should be supporting this, in any way, shape or form. It should be reviled and spat upon.

Between the endless junk DLC that EA cranks out for all its titles these days, and the rampant microtransactions in these new consoles, this is an industry that is in need of a clear 'adjustment'.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You aren't paying for codes. The game has no cheats or codes you are paying for. You are simply bypassing the grinding which would be required normally.

Games have always had some form of grinding. In the old days, you could bypass that with certain keystrokes included by the developer. In modern games, you can bypass that with cash transactions included by the developer. They don't include the Konami code anymore because they can charge people to use it. I mean, what do you get from unlocks; guns, weapons, money? You could get all of those things with cheat codes a couple generations ago.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

so what you all are saying ... is that when i bought gameshark and game genie 20 years ago, i was supporting these shameless micro transactions?

Well, no, seeing as how Game Genie and GameShark changed the game code to unlock things that weren't necessarily unlockable in any way as originally developed. It's not really comparable to a developer including a way to unlock things, whether in the form of a traditional cheat code or a microtransaction unlock, both of which are included at the game developers' discretion and don't require a third party device to change the coding.

But on that tangent, Game Genie was awesome. One of my favorite gaming moments was on Street Fighter II (not Turbo, the OG SF2) on SNES; there was a Game Genie code that let you throw any special in the air, and you could immediately jump again and get off the screen. My friends and I would just continue throwing fireballs and jumping for eternity until someone missed their timing and got hit. It was ridiculous, but damn fun.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Wow . . . some of the comments in here make me downright sick. Supporting microtransactions in a 60 dollar AAA launch title? Are you serious?! Microtransactions are the ultimate nickel and dime act to extract more money from customers. It used to be that 'grinding' was a derogatory term, thrown out in contempt of games and companies. Now, people are throwing it out like its normal. Bullshit. Regarding the Skyrim comment a few posts up, you are experiencing the game world, its story, its characters through the gameplay. You are not wadding through the same dungeon over and over and over, simply to get a better weapon unlocked.

Nobody should be supporting this, in any way, shape or form. It should be reviled and spat upon.

Between the endless junk DLC that EA cranks out for all its titles these days, and the rampant microtransactions in these new consoles, this is an industry that is in need of a clear 'adjustment'.

The DLC extends the life of a game. If someone enjoys a game like Battlefield, Forza, or any other game they are currently playing, what is the problem with buying a pack of new maps or tracks or a new mission that can extend their gameplay experience a little longer if they choose to do so?

Not all DLC is worth buying but it's there many times to extend the life of a game so that a particular title isn't a hit for a week then dies out. Buying other stuff like in game currency and weapons etc is probably not ever worth it but it's also never required. It's not like you gain gameplay skill from buying in game crap either. If you meet them online the one with superior skill will win anyway.

 

[Skel]

except you haven't paid for it. you paid $60 in return for 200 cars and 14 tracks and the experience of racing them in order to earn in game credits to spend on cars.

and in forza's case, the "grind for unlocks" is not hard. on top of that, it is exceptionally enjoyable! not to mention they throw millions of credits your way every so often.

I'm a bit confused with this whole thread. Is the issue here the ability to charge someone money to skip a lot of the grinding? I'd be on board with rioting if I paid money for a game that caused me to spend more money to continue to play it.. well out side of the yearly map packs with new and awesome cover art that is. As my collection shows I'm more than OK with being raped that way.. le sigh.

I just don't see how this impacts people that want to grind out the levels over and over again hoping to get some car. It's not, from my limited knowledge on this game, stopping you from doing that. If anything it sounds like they've giving a choice on what you want to do, play it straight or pay a fee. I always thought having more choices was a good thing as what may work for me doesn't work for others, but I may be a bit naive. As for fears of the what could happen, an asteroid could hit the earth rendering talk of racing games stupid.