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Xbox One and Forza's Shameless Micro transactions

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Bateluer said:
Wow . . . some of the comments in here make me downright sick. Supporting microtransactions in a 60 dollar AAA launch title? Are you serious?!
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Microtransactions are in and here to stay because a lot of people use them. I don't think most of us in this thread are supporting them...more like ignoring them. I'm thankful to turn 10 for not making them required and for defaulting to the use of in-game credits instead of tokens.
 
cmdrdredd said:
The DLC extends the life of a game. If someone enjoys a game like Battlefield, Forza, or any other game they are currently playing, what is the problem with buying a pack of new maps or tracks or a new mission that can extend their gameplay experience a little longer if they choose to do so?

Not all DLC is worth buying but it's there many times to extend the life of a game so that a particular title isn't a hit for a week then dies out. Buying other stuff like in game currency and weapons etc is probably not ever worth it but it's also never required. It's not like you gain gameplay skill from buying in game crap either. If you meet them online the one with superior skill will win anyway.
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Wrong. DLC is now used as a crutch by companies who release unfinished games and then sell DLC as some kind of value add. As a huge battlefield fan DICE does this and it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Announcing a $60 game and then piecemeal expansion packs is a terrible norm.
 
Owls said:
Wrong. DLC is now used as a crutch by companies who release unfinished games and then sell DLC as some kind of value add. As a huge battlefield fan DICE does this and it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Announcing a $60 game and then piecemeal expansion packs is a terrible norm.
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No that's your reasoning to jump on the hate train. They never make a secret that they will have DLC. They even offer the season pass BEFORE the game releases. It's never required but the purpose is to keep you playing their game. That's why they don't release all the DLC at the same time.

Battlefield 3 was a finished and complete game. If you never bought the DLC you aren't screwed. Battlefield 4 is just full of problems so I won't speak of it. However, it was released as a complete game (albeit a buggy one).
 
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cmdrdredd said:
No that's your reasoning to jump on the hate train. They never make a secret that they will have DLC. They even offer the season pass BEFORE the game releases. It's never required but the purpose is to keep you playing their game. That's why they don't release all the DLC at the same time.

Battlefield 3 was a finished and complete game. If you never bought the DLC you aren't screwed. Battlefield 4 is just full of problems so I won't speak of it. However, it was released as a complete game (albeit a buggy one).
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Well that and DICE has been making horribly buggy games long before DLC ever existed.

BF2 and BF2142 were some horribly buggy but fun games.
 
Look at Diablo 3 and tell me that payment methods don't matter.

You can't just say "well if you don't like it, don't use it" when the game is designed from the ground up around it. I'm not necessarily saying this is the case with Forza, but that IS what some reviewers and players are saying.

If cars are no harder to get than in Forza 4 or previously, then nothing has changed. However, the fear as a player is a developer designing the game in a way to incentivize microtransaction purchases. If they make the game grindier to try to get people to buy cars, then that is unacceptable to me as a player. That is hamstringing your game for most users just to make extra $$$ off a few.

Again, I'm not saying that is true for Forza 5. I haven't played it. But some people ARE saying it is true. People in this thread who have the game have commented or can comment on the relative grindyness compared to Forza 4 and below.

Just look at games like D3 with it's AH (gold, not just real money) and PvZ2 with its extremely grindy nature. You can't simply say 'if you don't like that part of the game, don't use it' because the entire game is designed around it.
 
Dumac said:
Look at Diablo 3 and tell me that payment methods don't matter.

You can't just say "well if you don't like it, don't use it" when the game is designed from the ground up around it. I'm not necessarily saying this is the case with Forza, but that IS what some reviewers and players are saying.
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And they are all wrong. They are either trying to drum up kits or simply retarded.

If cars are no harder to get than in Forza 4 or previously, then nothing has changed. However, the fear as a player is a developer designing the game in a way to incentivize microtransaction purchases. If they make the game grindier to try to get people to buy cars, then that is unacceptable to me as a player. That is hamstringing your game for most users just to make extra $$$ off a few.
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Cars are easier to get in Forza 5.

Just look at games like D3 with it's AH (gold, not just real money) and PvZ2 with its extremely grindy nature. You can't simply say 'if you don't like that part of the game, don't use it' because the entire game is designed around it.
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D3, and I've had this argument a thousand times already, is not designed with the AH in mind. You can claim it all you'd like, but the fact the hardest difficulty actually required a higher level of gear than you get on your first run through of Hell doesn't mean "omg blizzard is forcing me to use the AH". Not only is the drop rate of items exponentially higher than D2, the item and build synergy was good.
 
All this hubbub about microtransactions in Forza 5 and GT6 just makes me weep for my children. I've been an enthusiastic gamer for nearly 25 years of my life now. I've enjoyed nearly every console from Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, and Sony. Lately, I have absolutely no interest in supporting gaming companies who are hell bent on milking their best franchises and destroying gaming as I knew it. This is exacerbated by the fact that most of the great gaming developers have been swallowed up and eventually taken to the death trenches by some of the companies I have grown to vehemently hate in the gaming industry. Fuck every single business suit that's ruined my fun and the fun of my children. Fuck...them...all...

My choice is to stop giving them money. For my next gen fixes, I upgraded my HTPC with a GTX 770 and I just stay about 1-2 years non-current with gaming and get full games for $10-20 each via Steam sales. At this point in my life, I don't have the time to play every game I'd like to play anyway, so my backlog keeps my occupied.
 
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I can't read the article, but I saw someone mention earlier today that prices for some games were going up. I wonder why they would do that.
 
American Gunner said:
Anyone want to post some of the details since some of us can't access this stuff at work?
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MS decided to raise the price a couple pounds on first party titles to match the Railroad tycoon launch price. Couple quotes about how pricing can vary online and that the reverse end they can always have sales. Then in the last sentence they say that to be fair Sony has been charging a couple more pounds than even the new prices, on Knack and Killzone.
 
Topweasel said:
MS decided to raise the price a couple pounds on first party titles to match the Railroad tycoon launch price. Couple quotes about how pricing can vary online and that the reverse end they can always have sales. Then in the last sentence they say that to be fair Sony has been charging a couple more pounds than even the new prices, on Knack and Killzone.
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Ah ok. So they spent the entire article talking about price hikes, yet the prices are still better than Sony games. Sounds about right for most gaming journalism right now.
 
American Gunner said:
Ah ok. So they spent the entire article talking about price hikes, yet the prices are still better than Sony games. Sounds about right for most gaming journalism right now.
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"Oh no! They've raised the price of some titles which are still cheaper than titles from the other guys! The outrage!"
 
Why can't they just make the god damn games with all the content like they used to? Did I have to download samus aran's special skills with money? No, I played the fucking game and unlocked it all. The industry is getting way to greedy, and this shit honestly makes me NOT want to buy their consoles.
 
ProchargeMe said:
Why can't they just make the god damn games with all the content like they used to? Did I have to download samus aran's special skills with money? No, I played the fucking game and unlocked it all. The industry is getting way to greedy, and this shit honestly makes me NOT want to buy their consoles.
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Just do what I do and boycott EA and Activision. They are really the driving force behind the greed.
 
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ProchargeMe said:
Why can't they just make the god damn games with all the content like they used to? Did I have to download samus aran's special skills with money? No, I played the fucking game and unlocked it all. The industry is getting way to greedy, and this shit honestly makes me NOT want to buy their consoles.
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The games as released are complete. The difference between then and now is developers dont make one game and stop. Once a game is gold they dont just drop the project. No, they continue making updates and new stuff. Some of that new stuff happens to be ready in time for release but NOT ready in time to get it into the game when it went gold.

Is this really that hard a concept?
 
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