X-Men: Days of Future Past

[HumblePie]

It had a pretty clear resolution to your question when Trask was locked up (as the newspaper showed in the movie). Without Trask, the sentinel project = fucked.

Yep, the newspaper showed that Trask was locked up for selling secrets to enemy foreign countries and treason. And that the Sentinel program was scraped due to dangerous malfunctions. They don't know how Magneto controlled the 1973 sentinels despite Trask's assurance that there was no metal in those robots. With the president and his cronies not distrusting Trask, they were probably not going to let him investigate why the robots were under his control and how.

 

[gorcorps]

Why are people writing entire posts in spoiler tags? Why would someone read this thread if they didn't see the movie?

Are you serious? You never look for reviews before seeing a movie? I always check to see if people think it's a good movie or not before I bother.

It would be different if there was a review thread and a discussion thread, but there's not... there's one thread.

 

[HumblePie]

Are you serious? You never look for reviews before seeing a movie? I always check to see if people think it's a good movie or not before I bother.

It would be different if there was a review thread and a discussion thread, but there's not... there's one thread.

At this point, anyone continuing to read is doing so knowing there are a ton of spoilers being posted by now.

 

[gorcorps]

can't we just say that time passes more slowly in the past then in the movie's present and call it a day? maybe gravity is all fucked up because of the mutant wars.

Ellen Page was in Inception, so this makes sense... DOFP must be an Inception/X-men crossover

 

[Kev]

Are you serious? You never look for reviews before seeing a movie? I always check to see if people think it's a good movie or not before I bother.

It would be different if there was a review thread and a discussion thread, but there's not... there's one thread.

There are literally thousands of other places you can get reviews.

 

[smackababy]

It had a pretty clear resolution to your question when Trask was locked up (as the newspaper showed in the movie). Without Trask, the sentinel project = fucked.

There were, just an assumption here, plenty of other people working on the project. Trask was supposed to be a genius, but even after his death (in the future timeline), someone else completes the task of harnessing mutant DNA for a weapon to hunt them. It wouldn't be entirely unrealistic to assume the same could still happen, at a further along time line. And, what happens to Stryker? I suppose with Shaw dead (in First Class) Trask's son won't get the funding to further the Sentinel project, but someone else might.

 

[gorcorps]

At this point, anyone continuing to read is doing so knowing there are a ton of spoilers being posted by now.

I agree that this far in it makes sense, but he said flatly "why would people read this thread if they didn't see the movie?" which is a horribly moronic thing to say. To imply that people only read movie threads after they've seen it and for no other reason is pretty damned ignorant/selfish.

 

[gorcorps]

There are literally thousands of other places you can get reviews.

I can say the exact same thing about places where nerds over-analyze comic book movies.

 

[HumblePie]

There are literally thousands of other places you can get reviews.

Not from other comic nerds in one places all the time that may share other similar objectivity. I like to pull reviews from multiple places before making a decision. Rottentomatoes, IMDB, and even here. Every places has different people posting with different perspectives.

 

[smackababy]

Not from other comic nerds in one places all the time that may share other similar objectivity. I like to pull reviews from multiple places before making a decision. Rottentomatoes, IMDB, and even here. Every places has different people posting with different perspectives.

If I am on the fence about a movie after watching the trailer, I generally only go to Rottentomatoes and check the user "liked it / disliked it" rating. If it is over 50%, I give it a pass and go ahead and see it. I figure, the most vocal (and likely) to vote on the internet are people who disliked it, so 50% is pretty good.

 

[SP33Demon]

There were, just an assumption here, plenty of other people working on the project. Trask was supposed to be a genius, but even after his death (in the future timeline), someone else completes the task of harnessing mutant DNA for a weapon to hunt them. It wouldn't be entirely unrealistic to assume the same could still happen, at a further along time line. And, what happens to Stryker? I suppose with Shaw dead (in First Class) Trask's son won't get the funding to further the Sentinel project, but someone else might.

Well, Trask Industries had all of the patents to the Sentinels. How are they going to do this without government funding and their leader (even in the lab) behind bars? They aren't, the project is done. Maybe another company could do it, who knows? But that type of stuff takes a lot of funding, and it's a lot harder to apprehend a mutant without government funding/backing behind them.

Stryker is an enigma and who knows what he'll do, but after seeing Magneto controlling the Sentinels I doubt he would ever think that is the answer (and as a result continue to pursue the project via his government/military connections).

 

[nageov3t]

perhaps without Trask, some form of mutant defense robots were still constructed, but without his paranoid drive (and Mystique's blood, brain tissue, etc) they never developed the adaptation technology which is what essentially turned them into such a catastrophic threat.

 

[smackababy]

perhaps without Trask, some form of mutant defense robots were still constructed, but without his paranoid drive (and Mystique's blood, brain tissue, etc) they never developed the adaptation technology which is what essentially turned them into such a catastrophic threat.

That is what I mean though. The Sentinel program might have been stopped, but the drive for someone else to possibly make a weapon of the same caliber wasn't eliminated completely. The creation of the morphing sentinels might have been stopped, or a similarly destructive weapon being created might be pushed back.

If anything is to be learned from comics, it is that there is always a crazy billionaire or hostile government willing to secretly fund a project for world domination. And, in the X-Men universe, that means having a weapon with the ability to stop mutants from interfering.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

perhaps without Trask, some form of mutant defense robots were still constructed, but without his paranoid drive (and Mystique's blood, brain tissue, etc) they never developed the adaptation technology which is what essentially turned them into such a catastrophic threat.

That bit of plot made less than zero sense, by the way. Why is Mystique's DNA more important than any other mutant? Adaptability wasn't even her mutation, she's a shape-shifter. We saw a mutant with the "adaptability" gene in First Class and he lasted about 3 minutes. So I'm calling bullshit on the whole "shape-shifter DNA results in robots that adapt," right there. Shape-shifter DNA should result in robots that shape-shift. And it's not like you want the robots to be able to shape-shift; they're huge, fuck off scary monsters. They don't need to shape-shift into something less terrifying.

If you were going to distill a mutation from DNA, wouldn't you want something like Xavier's ability to read and control minds? Hell, X2 already showed us that if Xavier just concentrates really hard in Cerebro, he can kill every mutant on Earth simultaneously; that's a MUCH more useful power to give your mutant kill-bots than shape-shifting. You could wipe out the entire mutant problem in an afternoon and you wouldn't even need to leave your office. Or give them Magneto's power, since he seems able to beat all the X-Men singlehandedly every single damn time he turns up. At no point did the "Mystique's DNA is the most important thing in the world" storyline make a lick of sense. "Yeah, what we're really looking for in a robot is to be blue and limber." Fuck that.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

From Honest Trailers they made a good point. If the X-Men are in the same universe as all of the other Marvel characters, why are mutants so hated when people love Spider-Man, Hulk, Thor, etc? lol

 

[Atomic Playboy]

From Honest Trailers they made a good point. If the X-Men are in the same universe as all of the other Marvel characters, why are mutants so hated when people love Spider-Man, Hulk, Thor, etc? lol

Nobody loves Hulk; every time he shows up, shit gets smashed to pieces. And people don't really like Thor either, since it not like he goes around stopping petty crime; he is usually fighting some giant monster that is destroying everyone else's shit. "Thanks for beating up that giant, but it won't bring my house back, will it? Maybe if you stayed in Asgard this wouldn't have happened to begin with. Jackass."

 

[nageov3t]

From Honest Trailers they made a good point. If the X-Men are in the same universe as all of the other Marvel characters, why are mutants so hated when people love Spider-Man, Hulk, Thor, etc? lol

the Avengers and Fantastic Four have great PR teams.

I'm struggling to think of a non-Avengers/FF superhero who'd generally be considered to be beloved by the public.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

the Avengers and Fantastic Four have great PR teams.

I'm struggling to think of a non-Avengers/FF superhero who'd generally be considered to be beloved by the public.

Spiderman seems pretty beloved in spite of a smear campaign from the local newspaper.

 

[nageov3t]

Spiderman seems pretty beloved in spite of a smear campaign from the local newspaper.

Spidey is both an Avenger *and* a member of the Fantastic Four

I think the big difference really is that people like Captain America, Iron Man, or Reed Richards got their powers in pretty extraordinary ways and tend to be open about it.

mutants, on the other hand, really could be anyone... one day you're eating lunch at the mall, next day you're in the hospital with third degree burns because a 16 year-old cashier discovered he had a mutant power he couldn't control.

 

[smackababy]

That bit of plot made less than zero sense, by the way. Why is Mystique's DNA more important than any other mutant? Adaptability wasn't even her mutation, she's a shape-shifter. We saw a mutant with the "adaptability" gene in First Class and he lasted about 3 minutes. So I'm calling bullshit on the whole "shape-shifter DNA results in robots that adapt," right there. Shape-shifter DNA should result in robots that shape-shift. And it's not like you want the robots to be able to shape-shift; they're huge, fuck off scary monsters. They don't need to shape-shift into something less terrifying.

If you were going to distill a mutation from DNA, wouldn't you want something like Xavier's ability to read and control minds? Hell, X2 already showed us that if Xavier just concentrates really hard in Cerebro, he can kill every mutant on Earth simultaneously; that's a MUCH more useful power to give your mutant kill-bots than shape-shifting. You could wipe out the entire mutant problem in an afternoon and you wouldn't even need to leave your office. Or give them Magneto's power, since he seems able to beat all the X-Men singlehandedly every single damn time he turns up. At no point did the "Mystique's DNA is the most important thing in the world" storyline make a lick of sense. "Yeah, what we're really looking for in a robot is to be blue and limber." Fuck that.

It isn't Mystique's exact abilities they want to harness, but the ability to change on the fly. And yes, the mutant in First Class would have also been a good sample. However, they didn't have him. He got 'asploded. It wasn't necessarily Mystique, as it was "a mutant that has the ability to change his/her cells" and Mystique was the one dumb enough to get caught for testing.

 

[SP33Demon]

That is what I mean though. The Sentinel program might have been stopped, but the drive for someone else to possibly make a weapon of the same caliber wasn't eliminated completely. The creation of the morphing sentinels might have been stopped, or a similarly destructive weapon being created might be pushed back.

If anything is to be learned from comics, it is that there is always a crazy billionaire or hostile government willing to secretly fund a project for world domination. And, in the X-Men universe, that means having a weapon with the ability to stop mutants from interfering.

Except Professor-X would probably know everything about it in advance via Cerebro.

 

[Sonikku]

Damn mutants. They're forcing their lifestyle on America.

 

[Skel]

From Honest Trailers they made a good point. If the X-Men are in the same universe as all of the other Marvel characters, why are mutants so hated when people love Spider-Man, Hulk, Thor, etc? lol

Mutants love to tell everyone they're the next step in evolution all the time, and refer to themselves as "Homo-superior". It also gets thrown around a lot that normal people are on the way out and a lot of mutants want to help speed that up. Also, other heroes like SM and Hulk, aren't as loved as Avengers would make you think.

 

[smackababy]

Except Professor-X would probably know everything about it in advance via Cerebro.

Maybe. Unless someone picked up Magneto's helmet. Did it show who snatched it up?

 

[HumblePie]

Another thing is that spiderman, fantastic four, and others aren't "mutants" at all. They were normal humans that were transformed to be super through extraordinary circumstances. Which makes them easier to relate to from a human standpoint that something born completely "alien" almost in nature. Some like Iron man are still normal human. If you don't count being extremely rich, smart, and having a kick ass super suit. Also, they tend to try to reduce collateral damage as well as typically only go after "petty" criminals or those without as much destructive power.