X-Men: Days of Future Past

[Ancalagon44]

This movie was based on the theory that ALL time happens simultaneously. That any conceivable timeline that can happen, will happen. But still, most of the possibilities of time event occurring tend to be the same unless changed forcefully.

Spoiler

The effect they were going for with Kitty maintaining her projection of Wolverines consciousness to be broadcast back in time, is that the time stream is that the flow time is the same, and that all time runs at the same time. Meaning, the mind can be inserted into any point in time, but once inserted, goes with the flow of time after that insertion until taken out. They inserted him into a time spot to do a job that would take a couple of days to complete. Something that would have killed any other mutant.

The changes wouldn't be instant in that their time is actually a different timeflow. What Kitty and the others were doing is realizing in their timeflow, they lost. They knew they were dead. Instead, Wolverines' actions were to alter one possible timeflow so that there was not a possible alternate timeline where there were no invincible Sentinels. That was the effect they were after and knew the other way to do it was to make the people believe that Trask's project was in no way the good option for dealing with mutant, and to keep Mystique out of his hands as well.

Once the goal is reached, Kitty lets Wolverine's consciousness slipped out of the historic timeline, and it ends up back in the now altered "present" line. For Wolverine, he knows what happens with the Sentinel program that made invincible Sentinels that kills everyone.

As for Magneto's versus Mystiques motives at the end, it's pretty simple. Magneto wanted to stop the war before it starts by slaughtering all that could possibly make the invincible Sentinels. If you take out the only enemy resources that could create the Sentinels, they can't be made. Thus the mutants will win the war. Magneto at that time was still a megalomaniac in that regards and wanted to still see the extinction of human kind. There was no changing that aspect of his character in the 70's. Magneto was really not ever a good "person" as his anger against humanity set in early in his life.

Mystique originally is a good person though that gets corrupted eventually by the loses of her friends by humanity. This movie was centered around her "turning" point against humanity. Where she makes her first kill against a human, which was Trask, and then would eventually go on to be more and more evil killing a lot more indiscriminately. So at this point, Charles Xavier, has some influence on her actions with his words. Although she is not fully evil yet, she does still have her on "mission" in mind to save mutant kind and her friends. She just isn't so evil yet that she believes saving mutants at any cost, which includes murder of anyone, at that point in history. So she listens and is finally swayed by Charles' plea at the end.

And why does her actions change things? Well it shows that while mutants can be powerful and can be almost unstoppable if they decide to attack humanity, based off Magnetos actions to try to kill the president and his cronies, it also shows they can be stopped if you make friends with other mutants who are just as powerful. It also shows they have weaknesses too. That none of the mutants are as invincible as they seem to be to paranoid humans. It also allows Xavier to start using his mental powers earlier than he normally would be to start influencing high people in high places to look into the bad actions of those around them. Such as Trask. Which if you saw the paper in the movie, Trask is arrested for treason of selling out secrets to various countries in his bid to get money for his Sentinel program.

Personally I felt the motives for the characters and their actions in the movie was perfectly spot on considering the actual comics along with their pasts up to that point. Which is why I loved the movie so much.

Spoiler

But time does not flow at the same speed - Wolverine spends at least a week back in the past, and there is absolutely no way that Kitty maintains the connection for anywhere near that long. She gets injured quite badly when Wolverine is in Paris - how could she survive for another few days with such a bad injury, without being able to seek proper medical attention? And besides, the two time streams are not flowing simultaneously - it makes absolutely no sense that they would have to wait for Wolverine to wake up. As soon as his consciousness goes back, a massive change would result. The change would not be in flux because the time streams are not occurring simultaneously - how could they? If they were, then Wolverine's actions could not influence the current timeline, and there is no way that Kitty could hold the connection for that long.

Put yourselves in the Presidents shoes - you have just seen how powerful mutants can be. Would you want to trust Xavier, himself a potentially extremely dangerous mutant who can influence minds? Or would you want to trust a human, who is like you, who can develop weapons to confront this new threat?

There is no way that a human President is going to say "Okay!" and just put his faith in some mutant allies. No way in hell.

Put it another way - after 9/11, if there was another terrorist group that claimed to be allies of the US, and claimed to be against Al Qaeda, would you trust them, or would you trust your own military?

 

[HumblePie]

Spoiler

But time does not flow at the same speed - Wolverine spends at least a week back in the past, and there is absolutely no way that Kitty maintains the connection for anywhere near that long. She gets injured quite badly when Wolverine is in Paris - how could she survive for another few days with such a bad injury, without being able to seek proper medical attention? And besides, the two time streams are not flowing simultaneously - it makes absolutely no sense that they would have to wait for Wolverine to wake up. As soon as his consciousness goes back, a massive change would result. The change would not be in flux because the time streams are not occurring simultaneously - how could they? If they were, then Wolverine's actions could not influence the current timeline, and there is no way that Kitty could hold the connection for that long.

Put yourselves in the Presidents shoes - you have just seen how powerful mutants can be. Would you want to trust Xavier, himself a potentially extremely dangerous mutant who can influence minds? Or would you want to trust a human, who is like you, who can develop weapons to confront this new threat?

There is no way that a human President is going to say "Okay!" and just put his faith in some mutant allies. No way in hell.

Put it another way - after 9/11, if there was another terrorist group that claimed to be allies of the US, and claimed to be against Al Qaeda, would you trust them, or would you trust your own military?

Spoiler

It's not a week he is in the past. Again a couple of days, which is all the time they have between Sentinel findings of them in the future. I don't know where you are getting a week from. They didn't take commercial airlines to travel around. Xavier back then still had his own jet and could make a short hop to the pentagon in a hour or so in a really fast private jet, and then a few hours to Paris after, and a few hours back to DC. It can all conceivably take place in a couple day span, for which Kitty most certainly could hold out, if barely.

As far as the reaction of the President in putting faith in mutants. You are right, he wouldn't. But the story was to break faith in Trask, which is what happens. Then Xavier can work on the president and others through mental persuasion with his powers over time to make them come to light in using "good" mutants for defense against bad ones. Which is the whole point of the X-Men. Also, the president doesn't know what Xavier can do or if he even is a mutant. Remember, the president first hears about the mutants after the fiasco in Paris. Only people like Trask know more about who are mutants and which ones they can do. Of which the breaking faith in Trask would prevent his info from reaching the president for a while I bet if ever.

 

[HumblePie]

So is X-men: Apocalypse supposed to occur before the "fixed" future that we saw at the end of DOFP? The future where Jean and Scott are both alive again. IMDB currently shows McAvoy and Fassbender as Xavier and Erik, but it makes me wonder if the events of Apocalypse occurs after the new future, shouldn't we see Stewart and McKellen?

Apocalypse will happen now after in the new "corrected" timeline. It's suppose to have an adult Rogue, which Anna is now considered "adult" enough looking for her character. Personally I still hate the choice of Anna for Rogue. Rogue is the ultimate unattainable "beauty" queen that while she does get a bit lonely, still knows what affect her appearance has on men. She is suppose to be a flaunter of her looks. Anna doesn't look that good and the made Rogue in the series into an emo whiner. Ugh.

 

[bigrash]

Saw it last night and I thought it was awesome. They didn't stick with the comic book story, but I'm still very satisfied with the movie.

 

[gorcorps]

So... what happened to Magneto?

Spoiler

After the final showdown, he says something to Charles like "if you turn me over to them I'm as good as dead", and Xavier says "I know". Magneto then just like... flies away, and then we jump into the new present with Wolverine. Did I miss something? Where the hell did Magneto go? Is the school thriving because Magneto isn't a giant PITA in this new timeline?

 

[02ranger]

I don't remember a ton from the comics about him either but I just remember it from the 90's x-men cartoon.

Wasn't he really big in the cartoon, though? I was thinking he was like Colossus' size as far as muscles, and pretty tall too. Like abnormally tall. Am I misremembering that?

 

[smackababy]

So... what happened to Magneto?

Spoiler

After the final showdown, he says something to Charles like "if you turn me over to them I'm as good as dead", and Xavier says "I know". Magneto then just like... flies away, and then we jump into the new present with Wolverine. Did I miss something? Where the hell did Magneto go? Is the school thriving because Magneto isn't a giant PITA in this new timeline?

Spoiler

All we know is that Charles gave Magneto another chance, and allowed him to escape. I'm sure he is still fighting the mutant fight, perhaps, this time by not killing. Future Magneto does regret that him and Charles were enemies all those years (and it took the rise of the Sentinels to bring them together). I think in the next movie, he will be more of an anti-hero, rather than a villain, as the main villain is something entirely different.

 

[gorcorps]

Wasn't he really big in the cartoon, though? I was thinking he was like Colossus' size as far as muscles, and pretty tall too. Like abnormally tall. Am I misremembering that?

No you're right. He doesn't look like the Apocolypse we've seen before, but he also looked like a kid so maybe "adult" Apocolypse will be different.

 

[smackababy]

No you're right. He doesn't look like the Apocolypse we've seen before, but he also looked like a kid so maybe "adult" Apocolypse will be different.

Apocalypse started as En Sabah Nur, and eventually had his powers fully manifest and he merged with technology to become what most people remember. He can control all the molecules in his body and change size and shape at well. I believe he also had some psychic capabilities as well as being a genius. He can also give himself any mutant power, and is effectively immortal IIRC. His blood also heals mutants.

 

[Skel]

I tried really hard to like this movie. I've always been a huge X-Men fanboy from childhood when I first started reading comics. This movie just took too many leaps for stupid reasons that made no sense. They really should have taken a moment and thought some stuff through, instead they just threw crap at the wall and said "that looks cool, go with that".

Spoiler

The idea that a phaser, who was set up in the third X-Men movie now has the power to send someone back in time to their own body? I'm glad no one asked, "hey Kitty, when you'd get that awesome power that we can change everything with.. except our entire world because that's a bit to far." Thank God, Prof X showed up and told her to do it, otherwise everyone be fucked.

Let's sent back Wolverine, cause he's fucking Wolverine. I'm not sure how sending someone back would rip apart their brain tissue, but hey, these are the same people who never once said, maybe we can use this awesome power to fix more than just our living arrangements. Oddly enough, once he showed up and told everyone he was from the future, he really didn't do too much. The ending where he suddenly was in the new present makes me wonder where the Wolverine that taught History went to. Prof X just went, "Oh there you are" without batting much of an eyelash. Did he just keep the other Wolverine around till this one showed back up?

I'm really unclear how shoving metal from railroad spikes gave Mags the ability to control the Sentinels systems. I can buy that they would now have metal so he could tear them apart, but not how it allowed him to suddenly rewrite the OS. I'm also unclear why they wanted to make Mystique the key to the Sentinel's adaptability. Somehow they took a DNA thing and then created it in tech form and applied it to the machines... Easier to say they just created tech that adapts. Of course then you couldn't milk the actress for all she's worth.

 

[HumblePie]

Apocalypse started as En Sabah Nur, and eventually had his powers fully manifest and he merged with technology to become what most people remember. He can control all the molecules in his body and change size and shape at well. I believe he also had some psychic capabilities as well as being a genius. He can also give himself any mutant power, and is effectively immortal IIRC. His blood also heals mutants.

Yah, Never really liked Apocalypse as he was just a little "too much" on the over powered side to be believable as a beatable villan by the X-men. He basically has no weakness and every strength. He can even do clones of himself readily enough. I really dislike the "god-like" characters in the super-hero genre as they really aren't relational at all. The whole reason super hero comics are as popular as they are is because they are analogs to normal humans, with just a little "extra" to them. Stronger, or faster, or smarter, or few extra somethings. But not everything.

I don't mind the occasional "god" vs "god" fight in the comic books, but it is old and boring fast. Even Galacticus had weaknesses for as powerful as he was. Apocalypse really has no weakness to exploit as nebulous as they made him in the comics.

 

[02ranger]

No you're right. He doesn't look like the Apocolypse we've seen before, but he also looked like a kid so maybe "adult" Apocolypse will be different.

Apocalypse started as En Sabah Nur, and eventually had his powers fully manifest and he merged with technology to become what most people remember. He can control all the molecules in his body and change size and shape at well. I believe he also had some psychic capabilities as well as being a genius. He can also give himself any mutant power, and is effectively immortal IIRC. His blood also heals mutants.

OK, I'm starting to remember some of that now. It's been a while since I watched the cartoon, but I kept remembering images of him being like 20 feet tall at times, and I thought maybe I was mixing him up with another character. This should definitely make for an interesting movie, considering he's one of the X-Men's toughest adversaries, if memory serves.

 

[smackababy]

I tried really hard to like this movie. I've always been a huge X-Men fanboy from childhood when I first started reading comics. This movie just took too many leaps for stupid reasons that made no sense. They really should have taken a moment and thought some stuff through, instead they just threw crap at the wall and said "that looks cool, go with that".

Spoiler

The idea that a phaser, who was set up in the third X-Men movie now has the power to send someone back in time to their own body? I'm glad no one asked, "hey Kitty, when you'd get that awesome power that we can change everything with.. except our entire world because that's a bit to far." Thank God, Prof X showed up and told her to do it, otherwise everyone be fucked.

Let's sent back Wolverine, cause he's fucking Wolverine. I'm not sure how sending someone back would rip apart their brain tissue, but hey, these are the same people who never once said, maybe we can use this awesome power to fix more than just our living arrangements. Oddly enough, once he showed up and told everyone he was from the future, he really didn't do too much. The ending where he suddenly was in the new present makes me wonder where the Wolverine that taught History went to. Prof X just went, "Oh there you are" without batting much of an eyelash. Did he just keep the other Wolverine around till this one showed back up?

I'm really unclear how shoving metal from railroad spikes gave Mags the ability to control the Sentinels systems. I can buy that they would now have metal so he could tear them apart, but not how it allowed him to suddenly rewrite the OS. I'm also unclear why they wanted to make Mystique the key to the Sentinel's adaptability. Somehow they took a DNA thing and then created it in tech form and applied it to the machines... Easier to say they just created tech that adapts. Of course then you couldn't milk the actress for all she's worth.

Spoiler

In the comics, Kitty had that power. It isn't like they just made it up. In fact, Kitty couldn't send Wolverine because he was "too old" I believe, and went herself in the Days of Future Past story arc. The reason the movie sends back Wolverine is because he is easily the most popular character in the franchise. The first 2 X-Men movies were literally Wolverine movies and the third was Wolverine + Phoenix. Wolverine's job, also, was not to fight the fight, but to set the characters on the correct coarse to avoid the current future. The reason he pops back into the current, now non-Sentinel timeline is because his mind (from where they were in the present) synced up to where it was in the new present. He is now the only person who remembers the past, because he was the only one that lived it. What they didn't show, was whether he had the adamantium claws, neither confirming or rejecting if the Weapon X project still happened. Mystique was also used, because she was the one who killed the senator in the comics spawning Trask to create the sentinels. Her DNA was adaptive, in appearance, and allowed for them to learn how that adaptation at a cellular level works. I would imagine any of the other mutants with such adaptive power would have worked as well, however, Mystique was the one caught and experimented on. For someone who claims to be a comic fanboy, you sure missed the Days of Future Past story arch.

 

[smackababy]

Yah, Never really liked Apocalypse as he was just a little "too much" on the over powered side to be believable as a beatable villan by the X-men. He basically has no weakness and every strength. He can even do clones of himself readily enough. I really dislike the "god-like" characters in the super-hero genre as they really aren't relational at all. The whole reason super hero comics are as popular as they are is because they are analogs to normal humans, with just a little "extra" to them. Stronger, or faster, or smarter, or few extra somethings. But not everything.

I don't mind the occasional "god" vs "god" fight in the comic books, but it is old and boring fast. Even Galacticus had weaknesses for as powerful as he was. Apocalypse really has no weakness to exploit as nebulous as they made him in the comics.

Yeah. I really hope Dr. Strange is in this one. As, he was always the go to guy to defeat those gods. His battles with Dormammu would make for a great movie.

Strange enough, the Fantastic Four were always garbage until someone like Galactus showed up and it was like "well, we can't beat a single Skrull, but some world eating thing? No problem!"

 

[HumblePie]

I tried really hard to like this movie. I've always been a huge X-Men fanboy from childhood when I first started reading comics. This movie just took too many leaps for stupid reasons that made no sense. They really should have taken a moment and thought some stuff through, instead they just threw crap at the wall and said "that looks cool, go with that".

Spoiler

The idea that a phaser, who was set up in the third X-Men movie now has the power to send someone back in time to their own body? I'm glad no one asked, "hey Kitty, when you'd get that awesome power that we can change everything with.. except our entire world because that's a bit to far." Thank God, Prof X showed up and told her to do it, otherwise everyone be fucked.

Let's sent back Wolverine, cause he's fucking Wolverine. I'm not sure how sending someone back would rip apart their brain tissue, but hey, these are the same people who never once said, maybe we can use this awesome power to fix more than just our living arrangements. Oddly enough, once he showed up and told everyone he was from the future, he really didn't do too much. The ending where he suddenly was in the new present makes me wonder where the Wolverine that taught History went to. Prof X just went, "Oh there you are" without batting much of an eyelash. Did he just keep the other Wolverine around till this one showed back up?

I'm really unclear how shoving metal from railroad spikes gave Mags the ability to control the Sentinels systems. I can buy that they would now have metal so he could tear them apart, but not how it allowed him to suddenly rewrite the OS. I'm also unclear why they wanted to make Mystique the key to the Sentinel's adaptability. Somehow they took a DNA thing and then created it in tech form and applied it to the machines... Easier to say they just created tech that adapts. Of course then you couldn't milk the actress for all she's worth.

Because it's a comic book movie? As far as Shadowcat having the ability to do what she did in the movie. That was never in the comics. It was pure bullshit, and wish they had used another mutant with that ability to do it. Would have made more sense as Shadowcat's power is basically only to "phase" which is to basically make herself and any object she touches ignore atomic space boundaries. Which means the atoms of her body actually moves through the atoms of another substance through the spaces between the atoms. So really dense materials she has a really hard time phasing through like pure adamantium. Other than that, she is just suppose to be very smart, and very good at normal human level martial arts.

Again, I wish they had used another random new mutant to do what they did in the movie instead of Shadowcat. Would have made far more sense. Would be easier to explain away why they chose Wolverine as the only character for the trip to the past.

As for Xavier recognizing Wolverine after the return trip... he's a damn mind reader. Think about it.

As for the Magneto trick.

Spoiler

the robots have no metal circuity connections per Trasks statement in the movie. They don't have metal at all. Magneto uses the metal to rip out whatever was used for circuitry and instead inserts his own circuity to control the flow of electronic commands in the bots. He doesn't have to rewrite the software, as he manually controlling the servos or whatever hardware control device at the hardware level. Whatever software Trask's company had installed is probably still trying to run how it was designed, but can't send the commands it wants because the hardware interface has been changed and is controlled now by Magneto. Which is evidenced when Magneto allows the one robot to revert back to normal operation mode to deal with Beast for awhile.

 

[HumblePie]

Spoiler

In the comics, Kitty had that power. It isn't like they just made it up. In fact, Kitty couldn't send Wolverine because he was "too old" I believe, and went herself in the Days of Future Past story arc. The reason the movie sends back Wolverine is because he is easily the most popular character in the franchise. The first 2 X-Men movies were literally Wolverine movies and the third was Wolverine + Phoenix. Wolverine's job, also, was not to fight the fight, but to set the characters on the correct coarse to avoid the current future. The reason he pops back into the current, now non-Sentinel timeline is because his mind (from where they were in the present) synced up to where it was in the new present. He is now the only person who remembers the past, because he was the only one that lived it. What they didn't show, was whether he had the adamantium claws, neither confirming or rejecting if the Weapon X project still happened. Mystique was also used, because she was the one who killed the senator in the comics spawning Trask to create the sentinels. Her DNA was adaptive, in appearance, and allowed for them to learn how that adaptation at a cellular level works. I would imagine any of the other mutants with such adaptive power would have worked as well, however, Mystique was the one caught and experimented on. For someone who claims to be a comic fanboy, you sure missed the Days of Future Past story arch.

Naw, Shadowcat never had that power in the comics. I think that is my only real beef with the movie, but I can ignore it. They should have just had some random mutant with that power do it. That would have been far more believable.

 

[smackababy]

Because it's a comic book movie? As far as Shadowcat having the ability to do what she did in the movie. That was never in the comics. It was pure bullshit, and wish they had used another mutant with that ability to do it. Would have made more sense as Shadowcat's power is basically only to "phase" which is to basically make herself and any object she touches ignore atomic space boundaries. Which means the atoms of her body actually moves through the atoms of another substance through the spaces between the atoms. So really dense materials she has a really hard time phasing through like pure adamantium. Other than that, she is just suppose to be very smart, and very good at normal human level martial arts.

Again, I wish they had used another random new mutant to do what they did in the movie instead of Shadowcat. Would have made far more sense. Would be easier to explain away why they chose Wolverine as the only character for the trip to the past. [/spoiler]

That is not true. Shadowcat did just that in the comics. I am fairly certain she used her power to phase her mind backwards in time. Also, in another comic, Charles telepathically communicates with past X-Men.

The Uncanny X-Men issues #141-142 is when it happens.

 

[HumblePie]

That is not true. Shadowcat did just that in the comics. I am fairly certain she used her power to phase her mind backwards in time. Also, in another comic, Charles telepathically communicates with past X-Men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Pryde

Nope

Kitty is a mutant with the ability to pass through solid matter by passing her atomic particles through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving. In this way she and the object through which she is passing can temporarily merge without interacting, and each is unharmed when Shadowcat has finished passing through the object. This process is called "phasing" or quantum tunneling and it renders her almost completely intangible to physical touch.[1] Shadowcat passes through objects at the same speed at which she is moving before she enters them. Since she is unable to breathe while inside an object, she can only continuously phase through solid objects (as when she travels underground) as long as she can hold her breath. However, contrary depictions of the duration of her phasing ability have been presented, such as when she has phased miles within an object. The use of her abilities also interferes with any electrical systems as she passes through by disrupting the flow of electrons from atom to atom, including the bio-electric systems of living bodies if she concentrates in the right way.[58] This typically causes machines to malfunction or be destroyed as she phases through them, and can induce shock and unconsciousness in living beings.

The power she uses in this movie was introduced in this movie. Has nothing to do with the comics at all.

As for the telepathy thing, she is affected by telepathy differently when phased then other people in normal state. Attacks to her aren't as strong, and certain broadcasts she can receive and somewhat echo them back. That part of her power is made stronger with the alien dragon Lockheed which is later becomes her pet.

 

[nageov3t]

That is not true. Shadowcat did just that in the comics. I am fairly certain she used her power to phase her mind backwards in time. Also, in another comic, Charles telepathically communicates with past X-Men.

The Uncanny X-Men issues #141-142 is when it happens.

in the original DOFP, Rachel Summers, a telepath, uses her abilities to send Kitty Pride's consciousness back in time.... the problem for this movie is that they already set First Class in the 60's and introduced Kitty Pride as a kid in the 00's movies, so if they followed that storyline they'd be sending her back to a time before she was born.

I do wish they had spent a scene explaining it, though, or using a different mutant.

 

[smackababy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Pryde

Nope



The power she uses in this movie was introduced in this movie. Has nothing to do with the comics at all.

As for the telepathy thing, she is affected by telepathy differently when phased then other people in normal state. Attacks to her aren't as strong, and certain broadcasts she can receive and somewhat echo them back. That part of her power is made stronger with the alien dragon Lockheed which is later becomes her pet.

Like I said, in the Days of Future Past comic, it was Kitty that phased back and it was under her power (unless I am recalling it incorrectly, as it doesn't specifically state on the wiki page).

in the original DOFP, Rachel Summers, a telepath, uses her abilities to send Kitty Pride's consciousness back in time.... the problem for this movie is that they already set First Class in the 60's and introduced Kitty Pride as a kid in the 00's movies, so if they followed that storyline they'd be sending her back to a time before she was born.

I do wish they had spent a scene explaining it, though, or using a different mutant.

Guess I was wrong. Okay. Then it was bullshit. =) I am glad they sent Bishop back though, he was a time traveler!

 

[HumblePie]

Like I said, in the Days of Future Past comic, it was Kitty that phased back and it was under her power (unless I am recalling it incorrectly, as it doesn't specifically state on the wiki page).

Wiki mentions that the "new" power for her was introduced in this movie for this movie. It was never in the comics. Loki explains why you are confused, because in the comics she was the one sent back.

I agree, having her with a new power she never had in the comics was a bit silly, but most of the X-Men movies haven't been nearly as true to the comics style as this one was at least. Which is why I like this movie compared to all the rest. Don't get me started on the bullshit of Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool and the sorry excuse they tried to portray Deadpool as in that shitty movie. Ugh. I find it hard to believe any comic nerd likes that movie at all.

 

[smackababy]

Wiki mentions that the "new" power for her was introduced in this movie for this movie. It was never in the comics. Loki explains why you are confused, because in the comics she was the one sent back.

I was looking at the Days of Future Past wiki, not the Kitty Pryde one. It isn't so bad, as they never actually did any explanation of her powers in the movies. Besides being able to phase, she didn't have much else shown.

I agree, having her with a new power she never had in the comics was a bit silly, but most of the X-Men movies haven't been nearly as true to the comics style as this one was at least. Which is why I like this movie compared to all the rest. Don't get me started on the bullshit of Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool and the sorry excuse they tried to portray Deadpool as in that shitty movie. Ugh. I find it hard to believe any comic nerd likes that movie at all.

Even Sony pretends that movie doesn't exist. I don't mind Ryan Reynolds as Wade Wilson, but the portrayal of Dead Pool in that movie was awful. I kind of have my doubts about X-Men: Apocalypse, but that was mostly because Age of Apocalypse was a cross over series and had a ton of people in it. I am just hoping we get Cable. =(

 

[HumblePie]

Yah.... again, not fan of truly invincible god battles even in comic books. The exception I liked for the most part was the Infinity Gauntlet series, some of the Cosmic series, and a little bit of the Beyonder stuff.

God level shit was why DC was never as popular as Marvel. DC characters are either gods or wimps. They don't really have much in between. Which is why the most popular DC character is Batman. He is normal human analog with a little "extra" and doesn't tend to fight "god" villians. Dragonball Super Saiyin level 9872189217298 fights are fun to look at once in awhile but series after series is rather stupid.

Which is why I'm not having high hopes for the Apocalypse movie either. Unless they just did what they did in Marvel for a bit which was to make him a techno-virus mutation spawning character that really wasn't "god-like" nor immortal. They did that the original Sentinel/Apoc prelude series. Then they went retard on him in my opinion.

 

[smackababy]

I do hate the BS powerful characters. Superman and DC in general are guilty of that. I hate that pretty much any time Superman faces something that can hurt him they just <insert new power that allows him to win> garbage. Marvel was at least a lot more down to earth, with a few exceptions. Although, I think Wolverine is a bull shit character. The fact that he is invincible really annoys me, even if he isn't particularly strong. Gets thrown into the sun? Lives... Ripped apart by Hulk? Lives. Disease that kills all mutants? Lives... Has his exoskeleton ripped from his body by Magneto? Heals faster... Come on.

I don't think they will make Apocalypse invincible, but definitely make him stronger than any of the mutants. And possible, them not actually destroy him at the end. Weaken him enough to trap him or something. Maybe send him to the Dark Dimension and at the end of the credits, Dormammu is shown? Oh, one can dream of a Dr. Strange movie. =(

 

[HumblePie]

Yah wolverine is the ragdoll of Marvel. He is invincible/immortal except unless every cell structure in his body is changed all at once to something else. In the case he was completely morphed by magic into crystal then shattered. He doesn't come back from that sort of death on his own. But they sure love beating the hell out of him in the comics. Which is its own morbid fun. But what ground him as a character is he isn't immune to psychic attacks/controls, and his offensive output is fairly weak overall.