as long as Fox makes a new X Men movie every so many years, they basically keep the rights forever... Daredevil only reverted back to Marvel after Fox had a stream of writers/directors quit or die, getting them to a point where they just couldn't flatout start production on the sequel in time.
in theory, Disney could offer to buy the rights back, but as long as the X movies are making Fox money, they've got no reason to put them up for sale (unless something unrelated happens and Fox studios finds itself struggling for its life... like, they give James Cameron a billion dollars to make a movie and it bombs or something)
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My wife and I stayed in the theater to see that scene, mainly because everyone else in the theater stayed for it. Seriously, I have never been in a theater where everyone stayed for the entire credits before; I guess Marvel's strategy of putting something after the end credits in every one of their movies is a good strategy to convince people to stay through the whole thing.
Anyway, I saw the scene and immediately though "oh shit, it's Apocalypse!" But I have no idea why I thought that. I didn't actually read that many comics as a kid, and I don't remember reading anything from the age of Apocalypse storyline, but somehow I remembered that he was an ancient Egyptian revered as a God. Weird
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I don't remember a ton from the comics about him either but I just remember it from the 90's x-men cartoon.
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I was wondering the same thing... especially when Bobby (Ice man) kept going on about her bleeding.
Because some people may want to see non-spoiler comments about whether the movie was good or not.
I hope they never touch that abomination. Ugh, I hate that awful series and its completely anti-climactic ending. The tension was quite literally building up at the end and *snaps finger*... it was over. DONE! What a flippin' waste of 400-something pages. :| The worst part about it is that the big event at the end isn't actually even part of the Civil War set... it occurs directly after it in the rather spoiler-laden title
The Death of Captain America
Also, Marvel doesn't even need the X-Men to do Civil War. The X-Men had a very small role in the series... well, as long as they can refer to the idiots that blew up the school as "miracles" (albeit, that would be rather awkward warding given the situation
), it should be fine. Apart from that, the biggest players in the series are Iron Man and Captain America. Sure, there are other people in the series that play some big roles such as Spider-Man and Mr. Fantastic, but you could probably replace Spider-Man's role with anyone (since Peter's friendship with Tony has never been acknowledged in the movies), and since Richards is just there for a science role, you could replace him with Pym.I must be alone in that I thought it was pretty bad.
Why does Kitty need to maintain the connection with Logan? Makes no sense. Surely as soon as she sent him back, the changes would happen instantly. There would be no need for them to wait. All past events would have already happened, so the change would be instantaneous. Even if Logan went back, he would still have altered time by providing them with the information.
Why would Mystique saving the Presidents life stop anything? Magneto still proved how dangerous he is, single handedly being able to life an entire stadium and take over those Sentinels with a bit of forethought. He could have dropped the stadium on the White House. If anything, even though Mystique saved them, Magnetos actions would make the government far more paranoid than they were before. It would make things worse, not better. Plus Trask would still be alive to help the program even quicker.
And I felt it was out of character for Magneto to do those things. It felt forced, like they needed him to be the villain when he could have stopped the Sentinel program just be possessing them and making them attack the cops. Trask would have been blamed and that would have been the end of the Sentinels.
I would give it 5.5 out of 10. Godzilla was much better.
Why would Mystique saving the Presidents life stop anything? Magneto still proved how dangerous he is, single handedly being able to life an entire stadium and take over those Sentinels with a bit of forethought. He could have dropped the stadium on the White House. If anything, even though Mystique saved them, Magnetos actions would make the government far more paranoid than they were before. It would make things worse, not better. Plus Trask would still be alive to help the program even quicker.
And I felt it was out of character for Magneto to do those things. It felt forced, like they needed him to be the villain when he could have stopped the Sentinel program just be possessing them and making them attack the cops. Trask would have been blamed and that would have been the end of the Sentinels.
I would give it 5.5 out of 10. Godzilla was much better.
Great points. Even though I liked the movie a lot, I agree with pretty much everything you said. I guess they had to do all those things in order to reboot the series. In that first opening scene, once Kitty sent Bishop back into the past, everything instantly changed, so why not with Logan right?
And yeah, the government saw how ridiculously powerful Magneto was, yet they felt safer b/c Mystique saved the president and decided not to kill Trask? That should have made them pump out even more sentinels.
Does anyone know how much time passed between the post credits trailer of The Wolverine and when the dystopian future?
I want to say something like 10 years have passed. I felt like DOFP could have expounded a bit more on how it got so bad in the future. Because as of now, the post credits trailer for The Wolverine basically just tell you "hey Wolverine, we need your help, something bad is gonna happen!", then you see the apocalyptic world in the beginning of DOFP.
I want to say something like 10 years have passed. I felt like DOFP could have expounded a bit more on how it got so bad in the future. Because as of now, the post credits trailer for The Wolverine basically just tell you "hey Wolverine, we need your help, something bad is gonna happen!", then you see the apocalyptic world in the beginning of DOFP.
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It was my understanding, from the explanation given, that when he was sent back, time passed normally in both time periods. Why they didn't instantly disappear is because Logan hadn't yet changed the past. When the past was finally changed, then the future was altered.
That's what I was mentioning on the last page. But don't forget that even the post credits scene in The Wolverine is a couple of years after the actual Wolverine movie.
Kitty was sending Bishop for a good amount of time. And, that chance was minute. It was literally "Hey, don't go to X!" and so they go to a different location.
Also, I didn't feel Magento was so out of character. After his daughter was killed, he went on a rampage and eventually changed his name to Eric. So, he wasn't exactly this nice guy.
EDIT: And, I think at the end of Wolverine, the war was just beginning. They were recruiting him to fight in the war, which they eventually lose.
I never could figure out the mutant detector, every child born is essentially a mutant unless you clone yourself (and cloning has replication errors) receiving recessive genetic material from both parents could bring traits out that neither show.
Parents afraid of their children seemed so sick to me.
Parents afraid of their children seemed so sick to me.
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Your problem with the science is that everyone has unique DNA so a mutation detector would be useless and not that a genetic mutation can apparently allow people to teleport through time or space at will in defiance of every law of physics we know?
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I know we're not likely to get another film with Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen. But I'd really love another film or two with some of these characters from the future. They could do a film with Iceman and Colossus with maybe Cyclops and Jean Grey and add in a little Kitty and Rogue and I'd love to see it. They could do them concurrently with the First Class movies as far as I'm concerned.
The more I think about it, the happier I am that those characters got a better ending than X3 provided.
The more I think about it, the happier I am that those characters got a better ending than X3 provided.
So is X-men: Apocalypse supposed to occur before the "fixed" future that we saw at the end of DOFP? The future where Jean and Scott are both alive again. IMDB currently shows McAvoy and Fassbender as Xavier and Erik, but it makes me wonder if the events of Apocalypse occurs after the new future, shouldn't we see Stewart and McKellen?
I think that final scene with Wolverine was just to confirm that everything that occurred in X3 has officially been retconned.
word is that AoA will take place in the 1980's, so presumably they'd use as much of the First Class cast as possible (and recasting whoever can't be bothered... wouldn't surprise me if Jennifer Lawrence bowed out unless she's locked into a contract or her boyfriend (aka: Beast) wanted her to do it)
He spent days in the past. How could Kitty have maintained her concentration for that long? And remember, he injured her when he was in Paris - how long would it take him to reach the states again?
It happens in the 80's, pretty much after DoFP. They've said it will include some of the original actors, but I've always taken that to mean "Hugh Jackman".
JL is contractually obligated to do it. She's even said she's extremely happy they're doing these so quickly so she can fulfill her contract as quickly as possible.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...end-nicholas-hoult-prisoners-x-men-franchise/
If true, we know that Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Beast and Rogue all survive the events of AoA.
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I have to say I fucking loved the movie. I really didn't like any of the other X-Men movies to date thus far. Why? They were so far off the comic story lines that I hated them. The other X-Men movies to me were just okay action, popcorn, flicks with characters that kinda resembled the characters from the comics. They were ok, but never good to me.
Now this movie, this was great. It was something right out of a comic story line. The whole movie actually felt like a damn comic book on the screen. And it wipes out all the other shitty movies previous to it. Even BETTER!
Seriously awesome movie overall.
Now this movie, this was great. It was something right out of a comic story line. The whole movie actually felt like a damn comic book on the screen. And it wipes out all the other shitty movies previous to it. Even BETTER!
Seriously awesome movie overall.
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This movie was based on the theory that ALL time happens simultaneously. That any conceivable timeline that can happen, will happen. But still, most of the possibilities of time event occurring tend to be the same unless changed forcefully.
The effect they were going for with Kitty maintaining her projection of Wolverines consciousness to be broadcast back in time, is that the time stream is that the flow time is the same, and that all time runs at the same time. Meaning, the mind can be inserted into any point in time, but once inserted, goes with the flow of time after that insertion until taken out. They inserted him into a time spot to do a job that would take a couple of days to complete. Something that would have killed any other mutant.
The changes wouldn't be instant in that their time is actually a different timeflow. What Kitty and the others were doing is realizing in their timeflow, they lost. They knew they were dead. Instead, Wolverines' actions were to alter one possible timeflow so that there was a possible alternate timeline where there were no invincible Sentinels. The alternate timeline is what they were after, and knew the only way to do it was to make the people believe that Trask's project was in no way the good option for dealing with mutants. Also, the goal was to keep Mystique out of his hands as well.
Once those goals were reached, Kitty lets Wolverine's consciousness slipped out of the historic timeline, and it ends up back in the now altered "present" line. For Wolverine, he is now the only one that knows what happens with the Sentinel program that made invincible Sentinels that kills everyone. Except Xavier which reads his mind about that.
As for Magneto's versus Mystiques motives at the end, it's pretty simple. Magneto wanted to stop the war before it starts by slaughtering anyone that could possibly make the invincible Sentinels. If you take out the only enemy resources that could create the Sentinels, they can't be made. Thus the mutants will win the war. Magneto at that time was still a megalomaniac in that regards and wanted to still see the extinction of human kind. There was no changing that aspect of his character in the 70's. Magneto was really not ever a good "person" st that time frame as his anger against humanity set in early in his life. He was a dyed in the wood villain.
Mystique originally is a good person though that gets corrupted eventually by the loses of her friends by humanity. This movie was centered around her "turning" point against humanity. Where she makes her first kill against a human, which was Trask. That would eventually go on to be more evil indiscriminately slaying of humans. So at this point, Charles Xavier, has some influence on her actions with his words. Although she is not fully evil yet, she does still have a "mission" in mind which is to save mutant kind and her friends. She just isn't so evil yet that she believes saving mutants at any cost, which includes murder of anyone, at that point in history. So she listens and is finally swayed by Charles' plea at the end of the movie.
And why does her actions change the timeline? Well it shows that while mutants can be powerful and can be almost unstoppable if they decide to attack humanity, based off Magnetos actions on trying to kill the president and his cronies, it also shows they can be stopped if you make friends with other mutants who are just as powerful. It also shows that mutants have weaknesses too. That none of the mutants are as invincible as they seem to be to paranoid humans. It also allows Xavier to start using his mental powers earlier than he normally would be to start influencing high people in high places to look into the bad actions of those around them. Such as Trask. Which if you saw the paper in the movie, Trask is arrested for treason of selling out secrets to various countries in his bid to get money for his Sentinel program.
Personally I felt the motives for the characters and their actions in the movie was perfectly spot on considering the actual comics along with their pasts up to that point. Which is why I loved the movie so much.
The changes wouldn't be instant in that their time is actually a different timeflow. What Kitty and the others were doing is realizing in their timeflow, they lost. They knew they were dead. Instead, Wolverines' actions were to alter one possible timeflow so that there was a possible alternate timeline where there were no invincible Sentinels. The alternate timeline is what they were after, and knew the only way to do it was to make the people believe that Trask's project was in no way the good option for dealing with mutants. Also, the goal was to keep Mystique out of his hands as well.
Once those goals were reached, Kitty lets Wolverine's consciousness slipped out of the historic timeline, and it ends up back in the now altered "present" line. For Wolverine, he is now the only one that knows what happens with the Sentinel program that made invincible Sentinels that kills everyone. Except Xavier which reads his mind about that.
As for Magneto's versus Mystiques motives at the end, it's pretty simple. Magneto wanted to stop the war before it starts by slaughtering anyone that could possibly make the invincible Sentinels. If you take out the only enemy resources that could create the Sentinels, they can't be made. Thus the mutants will win the war. Magneto at that time was still a megalomaniac in that regards and wanted to still see the extinction of human kind. There was no changing that aspect of his character in the 70's. Magneto was really not ever a good "person" st that time frame as his anger against humanity set in early in his life. He was a dyed in the wood villain.
Mystique originally is a good person though that gets corrupted eventually by the loses of her friends by humanity. This movie was centered around her "turning" point against humanity. Where she makes her first kill against a human, which was Trask. That would eventually go on to be more evil indiscriminately slaying of humans. So at this point, Charles Xavier, has some influence on her actions with his words. Although she is not fully evil yet, she does still have a "mission" in mind which is to save mutant kind and her friends. She just isn't so evil yet that she believes saving mutants at any cost, which includes murder of anyone, at that point in history. So she listens and is finally swayed by Charles' plea at the end of the movie.
And why does her actions change the timeline? Well it shows that while mutants can be powerful and can be almost unstoppable if they decide to attack humanity, based off Magnetos actions on trying to kill the president and his cronies, it also shows they can be stopped if you make friends with other mutants who are just as powerful. It also shows that mutants have weaknesses too. That none of the mutants are as invincible as they seem to be to paranoid humans. It also allows Xavier to start using his mental powers earlier than he normally would be to start influencing high people in high places to look into the bad actions of those around them. Such as Trask. Which if you saw the paper in the movie, Trask is arrested for treason of selling out secrets to various countries in his bid to get money for his Sentinel program.
Personally I felt the motives for the characters and their actions in the movie was perfectly spot on considering the actual comics along with their pasts up to that point. Which is why I loved the movie so much.
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