Wow. Plane crash in Texas was an attack against the IRS.

[chucky2]

I read his internet note linked in this thread.

I salute him. He didn't talk about the corruption in government, he didn't just give in and "vote" (as if that matters when all candidates are corrupt and/or will never get the traction needed to make a real change), he did something about it.

My only issue is that he went after a building with everyday schmoe's in it...what he should have done is plan a little better and start taking out these corrupt F'ers at the top, where the real corrupt decisions are made.

Nothing will change until the folks at the top start directly feeling the pain in a very real and direct way.

Chuck

 

[waggy]

I read his internet note linked in this thread.

I salute him. He didn't talk about the corruption in government, he didn't just give in and "vote" (as if that matters when all candidates are corrupt and/or will never get the traction needed to make a real change), he did something about it.

My only issue is that he went after a building with everyday schmoe's in it...what he should have done is plan a little better and start taking out these corrupt F'ers at the top, where the real corrupt decisions are made.

Nothing will change until the folks at the top start directly feeling the pain in a very real and direct way.

Chuck

and do you really think acts like this will do it? if you really do you are as ignorant as you sound.

All acts like this are going to accomplish is destroy more and more rights the people have. they will use this as a excuse to impose more bullshit laws like the patriot act.

 

[chucky2]

No, acts like this will not do it.

People that are getting fed up and wanting to go all the way just need to be smarter when they do things like this.

Instead of trying to kill a bunch of low level people, go find the head of the IRS or your Congressperson and off them instead.

Way more sympathy that way, lots less backlash because you went and tried to kill peons just doing their job...

Chuck

 

[fallout man]

Did you read the anti-capitalist and pro-communist slogans that are juxtaposed at the end? Did you notice his constant ranting about the government being in the hands of weathly interests and corporations?

- wolf

I did read those, in fact. My impression was that he intended to draw a satirical parallel between capitalism and communism. If anything, those last few lines were a summary of the rambling body of his manifesto: capitalism (as he had personally experienced it) is just as much of a scam as communism.

 

[DealMonkey]

No, acts like this will not do it.

People that are getting fed up and wanting to go all the way just need to be smarter when they do things like this.

Instead of trying to kill a bunch of low level people, go find the head of the IRS or your Congressperson and off them instead.

Way more sympathy that way, lots less backlash because you went and tried to kill peons just doing their job...

Chuck

That's awesome, Chucky! Do you have a manifesto we can read that's posted to the interwebs too? How about a plane? Do you own a plane too?

 

[JS80]

No, acts like this will not do it.

People that are getting fed up and wanting to go all the way just need to be smarter when they do things like this.

Instead of trying to kill a bunch of low level people, go find the head of the IRS or your Congressperson and off them instead.

Way more sympathy that way, lots less backlash because you went and tried to kill peons just doing their job...

Chuck

Technically he did target the ones on top. What's above the head of the IRS? The Congressman. Who's above him? The President. The hires the President? Voters.

What he should have done was go Tyler Durden and blow up the IRS building in effigy while no one was in it. That would have been a freedom fighter thing to do.

Wreckless murder is wreckless murder.

 

[sandorski]

I did read those, in fact. My impression was that he intended to draw a satirical parallel between capitalism and communism. If anything, those last few lines were a summary of the rambling body of his manifesto: capitalism (as he had personally experienced it) is just as much of a scam as communism.

He was certainly disaffected to Capitalism. His Communist remark seemed more a grasp at something to make sense of things, more than a declaration of truth on his part.

Of course it is a false comparison and is commonly made here as well. Failure of the Current System does not prove Capitalism(the Category) a failure and Communism(the Category) the alternative. It may very well prove the failure of a form of Capitalism, but not all forms.

 

[JS80]

He was certainly disaffected to Capitalism. His Communist remark seemed more a grasp at something to make sense of things, more than a declaration of truth on his part.

Of course it is a false comparison and is commonly made here as well. Failure of the Current System does not prove Capitalism(the Category) a failure and Communism(the Category) the alternative. It may very well prove the failure of a form of Capitalism, but not all forms.

Except what he experienced was not capitalism. It was corporatism-socialism.

 

[sandorski]

Except what he experienced was not capitalism. It was corporatism-socialism.

lolwut? ok :\

 

[werepossum]

He was certainly disaffected to Capitalism. His Communist remark seemed more a grasp at something to make sense of things, more than a declaration of truth on his part.

Of course it is a false comparison and is commonly made here as well. Failure of the Current System does not prove Capitalism(the Category) a failure and Communism(the Category) the alternative. It may very well prove the failure of a form of Capitalism, but not all forms.

Pretty much how I took it, embracing Communism because he saw Capitalism as having failed him (rather than the reverse) and saw that simplistic creed as a flash of truth, something to hold on to. It gave him justification for his failure - HE didn't fail, the Capitalist System failed him. Although as Wolf pointed out, his rant does pretty much fit the anarchist-Communist position so who knows? Sad all around. I feel for his wife and kids, having to go through this in the glare of the public eye.

 

[chucky2]

That's awesome, Chucky! Do you have a manifesto we can read that's posted to the interwebs too? How about a plane? Do you own a plane too?

Nope and Nope.

Whether you agree with the guy or not, he had balls. You have 'interwebs'.

Think about that as you pay your share this year, and they start kicking up the rates in the coming years to pay for all the debt the same politicians he's ranting about racked up with the help of their big business buddies.

At least he did something about what he felt...I can respect that.

Chuck

 

[JS80]

Nope and Nope.

Whether you agree with the guy or not, he had balls. You have 'interwebs'.

Think about that as you pay your share this year, and they start kicking up the rates in the coming years to pay for all the debt the same politicians he's ranting about racked up with the help of their big business buddies.

At least he did something about what he felt...I can respect that.

Chuck

I do not agree
With your spending spree
I hope you guys realize
Like Newton did with the apple tree
The time has come
To water the tree of Liberty
You can call me a tea bagger
And make fun of the South
But it will be the taste of balls
That is lingering in your mouth

 

[chucky2]

Haha, Nice!

 

[fallout man]

Pretty much how I took it, embracing Communism because he saw Capitalism as having failed him (rather than the reverse) and saw that simplistic creed as a flash of truth, something to hold on to.

My read of the entire thing didn't suggest to me that he "embraced communism" at all.

The message was that "taking from the able to support the unable" is very much in the same vein as "taking from the ignorant in order to fill the bank accounts of the greedy."

If you don't think that the past and current governments in the States have been fucking over the unaware, ignorant populace in order prop up assholes who drive Bentleys, you don't need a reality-check--you need to host a fancy tea party.

His thesis (in my opinion) is that the redistribution of wealth is bad, regardless of which direction it flows.

 

[chucky2]

I really didn't get that he was massively pro/anti wealth redistribution.

I believe what he was getting at is that the top people are in collusion and are not looking out for the common man, but rather, themselves. And that, as 'icing on the cake', they have no problem bailing themselves out all the while F'ing over the little man when he's down.

I doubt too many people in the US would disagree with that.

Chuck

 

[fallout man]

I really didn't get that he was massively pro/anti wealth redistribution.

I believe what he was getting at is that the top people are in collusion and are not looking out for the common man, but rather, themselves. And that, as 'icing on the cake', they have no problem bailing themselves out all the while F'ing over the little man when he's down.

I doubt too many people in the US would disagree with that.

Chuck

Which is... (GRABUALSA!!!!)

...the often-lamented "wealth redistribution," but in reverse.

Oh, I would be crying sweet precious pity tears for the bankers if they didn't get bailed out with the money I (and others in my tax bracket) contributed to the IRS pool.

These same fuckers go out for cigars and cognacs ending in a bill that would moar-than-pay my rent and bills for the month. I guarantee my own personal responsibility to not fuck up financially. These douches gamble like a hobo with a 7-11 gift-card and a penchant for scratch tickets, while walking away STILL enjoying an opulent life-style.

 

[chucky2]

I don't disagree.

It sounds like what happened is that this guy just had too many hard knocks, and instead of just blowing his own head off or becoming a drunk/bum or going 'safely' nuts, he instead decided a little payback was in order to one of his agressors (IRS).

Nothing many haven't fantasized doing, except, he actually had the balls to do it.

Chuck

 

[DealMonkey]

Nope and Nope.

Whether you agree with the guy or not, he had balls. You have 'interwebs'.

Think about that as you pay your share this year, and they start kicking up the rates in the coming years to pay for all the debt the same politicians he's ranting about racked up with the help of their big business buddies.

At least he did something about what he felt...I can respect that.

Chuck

I guess OBL had balls too, at least according to your criteria. It speaks volumes about your character that you would respect a domestic terrorist.

 

[fallout man]

I guess OBL had balls too, at least according to your criteria. It speaks volumes about your character that you would respect a domestic terrorist.

I think what Chuckles was trying to communicate is that he's bridged that difficult gap between your own perception of things, and "walking in someone else's shoes."

That moment of truth is key, and let's not i love you it up by bringing Osama into it. This moment has to be nourished and nurtured--like a precious flower. I personally hope that the fruit of this flower yields to produce one less confused asshole on the internet.

 

[chucky2]

OBL does. Doesn't mean he doesn't need a bullet between his eyes once we get every useful piece of intel out of him possible.

I respect that this guy had the balls to follow through on his convictions...not that he tried to go and murder a bunch of non-decision making policy following peons.

Chuck

 

[Moonbeam]

Sounds like he got caught up in Obama's "hope and change" and then had a melt down when it didn't happen.

Don't you ever wake up in the morning and wonder how you got to be such a worthless peice of shit?

 

[senseamp]

Weren't people laughing when Obama's DHS secretary said we need to step up surveillance of domestic terrorists? Who's laughing now?

 

[JS80]

Weren't people laughing when Obama's DHS secretary said we need to step up surveillance of domestic terrorists? Who's laughing now?

Except this guy doesn't fit the demographic of the type of people Napalitano was trying to target (tea baggers). Nice try though.

 

[Zebo]

I read his internet note linked in this thread.

I salute him. He didn't talk about the corruption in government, he didn't just give in and "vote" (as if that matters when all candidates are corrupt and/or will never get the traction needed to make a real change), he did something about it.

My only issue is that he went after a building with everyday schmoe's in it...what he should have done is plan a little better and start taking out these corrupt F'ers at the top, where the real corrupt decisions are made.

Nothing will change until the folks at the top start directly feeling the pain in a very real and direct way.

Chuck

LOL TPTB will just make life more hell for your average American. If bankers and pols started getting shot they'd take every gun from every sportsman in America. You'd have to show papers please before even allowed near them (already do on Jupiter Island and some places in Hamptons) but it would extend to Manhattan and any place else rich congregate. They'd come down with serious sedition laws where everyone would know someone who 'disappeared'. Guys like this does no American a favor - we have democratic institutions and while not perfect they do change over time.

 

[LegendKiller]

My read of the entire thing didn't suggest to me that he "embraced communism" at all.

The message was that "taking from the able to support the unable" is very much in the same vein as "taking from the ignorant in order to fill the bank accounts of the greedy."

If you don't think that the past and current governments in the States have been fucking over the unaware, ignorant populace in order prop up assholes who drive Bentleys, you don't need a reality-check--you need to host a fancy tea party.

His thesis (in my opinion) is that the redistribution of wealth is bad, regardless of which direction it flows.

This is such bullshit. The people who drive bentlys are the ones who pay the most taxes and use the least amount of social services, which are the bulk of government spending at this point.


This guy wasn't a patriot, he was a fool and a coward.

Especially if you consider the reports that his own family had to be rescued from his burning home. Anybody who thinks this guy was sticking to his guns needs to realize he tried to kill his own family.

Yeah, laugh it up assfucks. Go ahead and think this whack-job was "cool", you're nothing better than the low-life trash he was.