Wow. Plane crash in Texas was an attack against the IRS.

[dawp]

His wife and daughter will live in the new house that their house insurance will buy for them.

The house is unimportant.

Leaving his wife and daughter behind is a much bigger deal. Although, I'm sure when someone reaches that level of Pissed Offness, making the point their trying to make supercedes All.

Hopefully his daughter will not be too bitter against him, and the government she lives under.

Chuck

I don't think insurance will cover an arson fire set by the home owner, that's a little thing called insurance fraud. So yes he did screw his wife and daughter.

 

[chucky2]

Yes...but given the publicity and emotional trauma, they'll get an exception likely. Maybe not full payout, but they'll get something.

 

[Ningbot]

Munky,
It is nice to see someone actually comprehend our language enough to understand the point of this guys Capitalist/Communist quote ... everytime i see someone say he was a communist and then reference this quote i lose heart of any intelligence existing in this world. And the rest of your statement about his letter looks pretty much spot on, I just thought i would raise my hand and agree with you.

While i do think his ultimate sacrafice was possibly the worse solution to his well thought out paper, i do see the value in the effort he put into expressing his mind on this before making that his final choice.

One other thing that bothers me is how is it that he only killed 1 other person other then himself?(that i have read) Maybe he intended to kill as many people as possible, but is it possible that he intended to try and not kill people? I would think that he could have killed his current wife and stepdaughter before burning his house down. And a building that sounded like it was full of people and looked to be seriously damaged by the plane hit. Normally i would just assume he failed in his goals even in suicide - but reading his letter does not lend me to think that he wanted to kill anyone. Perhaps he intended to use his suicide to make his statement without hurting anyone and sadly ended up failing in that.

I do not defend his actions, but why isnt the story of how many did not die a topic. I guess falsely calling him a domestic terrorist makes better money headlines, instead of stating what he might really have been ... a frustrated and lost, but otherwise normal american who lost it one day and did not have the strength to find a better solution to our immense government problems.

I am sad for all of the people that have been hurt by this, both people that knew him and people who never heard of him before today. I also feel bad for our society that overall we dont have enough intelligence to see more the just a cursory dismissal of what we dont want to hear.

 

[Ningbot]

Yes...but given the publicity and emotional trauma, they'll get an exception likely. Maybe not full payout, but they'll get something.

Sadly Chucky2 i seriously doubt that the insurance company with do anything but leave this woman and child with nothing. The only likely support they will receive will be from ordinary people like the everyday american, who will give to them out of sympathy for their plight. In this case with so much TV coverage that might end up being enough or even alot. My guess is that the insurance company with run with the money or offer a token prize that will not be nearly enough to cover the home

 

[LegendKiller]

Yes...but given the publicity and emotional trauma, they'll get an exception likely. Maybe not full payout, but they'll get something.

You don't realize, they don't give a fuck. They have their own investors to worry about.

This guy committed suicide and attempted to take people with him. He was a coward, nothing more, nothing less.

Not to mention the mere fact he attempted to also kill his family as he burned the house down only highlights he was a crazy fuck who only thought of himself.

 

[LegendKiller]

There's only so much that one person can do against the Government. As Government gets stronger, what one person can do, gets weaker.

-John

The government was never for one person.

 

[LegendKiller]

I hate to derail this terrific thread, but I must respond.

Thank you for your concern, internet poster "LegendKiller." To be frank, I don't make nearly as much as the many AT P&N internet millionaires reading this, but I do sleep well at night. The thing is--while I'm really good at what I do, and I really like what I do--the metric by which my success is measured isn't the hard dollar profit I bring in. I"m happy with this, because had I wanted to be a smooth-talking monkey in a tuxedo, I would have gone to business-school.

First off, what the fuck is up with this "internet poster "LegendKiller" shit? Are you mentally handicapped?

I sleep well at night to, just as much as the next guy. I'm really good at what I do also. Great for you, you didn't go get an MBA. Nobody gives a fuck but it's obvious your ideas are stupid and without merit. Thus, you probably couldn't get one anyway.

If by "ability to get deals done" you mean "gambling away others' money," and then, when the house-of-cards crumbles, "get more of others' money to keep you gambling," then my answer is: FUCK YES. I will rail against this because it's wrong and unethical. You don't seem like the type to rail against it, but then again you seem like the type of fucker who cares about the bottom line regardless of the ethics, AMIRITE?

This is why you fail. Allocators of capital have *NEVER* risked just their money, they never have and never will. Aggregation and intermediation of capital has aided this country in growing and is the only reason why we still aren't farmers. The first bonds and stocks were floated by merchant bankers who rarely put any significant amount of capital into the actual transactions, the investors were the ones who lost money.

The problem is, no single investor, or group of investors, could arrange investments in large corporations or projects. Thus, groups of investors must come together. The only way to do that is to have somebody organize them that knows the group.

Of course, populist assclowns like you would love to bring the world back down to pig farmers and nail makers. Maybe we could follow Thomas Jefferson, live outside of our means, rack up more than 100,000 in debt by the time we die, fail at every business we run (farming, nail making, and milling), owe that money to banks, but then rail against the banks because of our own inability to control spending.


Ohh, wait, that's exactly what this Stack guy did. IT WAS HIS OWN FUCKING FAULT.

Tarzan love rich monkey! Rich monkey buy bottle service! Jane also love bottle service! Jane go home later with Tarzan anyway because rich monkey has rich-monkey superiority complex and has small monkey cock.

WTF?

 

[1prophet]

you contridict yoruself. you say he ain't a nutjob but say he is crazy for taking it to this level. hmm THIS IS WHY WE ARE CALLING HIM A NUTJOB.

i do agree the IRS is fucked up. We have been fighting the irs for my wife's sister. ..sigh her mother really screwed her over.

she owes SS 8k so what they do? garnish MY REFUNDS! sigh

They garnished your refunds because of your sister in law?

 

[nobodyknows]

This is such bullshit. The people who drive bentlys are the ones who pay the most taxes and use the least amount of social services, which are the bulk of government spending at this point.


This guy wasn't a patriot, he was a fool and a coward.

Especially if you consider the reports that his own family had to be rescued from his burning home. Anybody who thinks this guy was sticking to his guns needs to realize he tried to kill his own family.

Yeah, laugh it up assfucks. Go ahead and think this whack-job was "cool", you're nothing better than the low-life trash he was.

Sounds just like the opinion I would expect to hear from someone who has a vested interest in the bailout of the banks, etc.

It seems you bite the hand that feeds you every chance you get? Do you love money so much that you've turned yourself into a machine with no emapthy for the plight of others?

 

[waggy]

They garnished your refunds because of your sister in law?

kinda complicated and not 100 sure how they can do this.

My SIL's dad is on SSDI (and rightfully so!). well when on SSDI you get a small amount for the kids. Well at the time the MIL had the daughter, adn 2 foster kids she was getting SSDI money for. BUT she was also getting state aid for the kids and child suport! wich you can not do if you are getting SSDI.

well the MIL was getting $845 a month for the 3 kids but it was only comein in the name of the SIL. and when we got Costudy of her the MIL told SS that she never got it and the daughter did (wich is a bullshit lie).

so now my wifes SIL owes them $8800.

Since we have costody of the SIL they took $2k in taxes we were sopposed to get as "Back childsupport" and taxes owed.

i'm not sure how they can take MY money for it. but we are already fighting it.


wich piss's me off i was going to use the 3k i got back to buy a nice new lawn mower

 

[Infohawk]

Right-wing domestic terrorist. Period.

 

[wiretap]

Right-wing domestic terrorist. Period.

rofl, I take it you didn't even read up on the guy and his suicide manifesto(s). He's a rooted marxist through and through.

 

[nobodyknows]

rofl, I take it you didn't even read up on the guy and his suicide manifesto(s). He's a rooted marxist through and through.

LOL, and you guys call yourselves the" party of personal responsibility"?? ROFLMFAO

 

[wiretap]

LOL, and you guys call yourselves the" party of personal responsibility"?? ROFLMFAO

Because apparently I belong to a party that you say I do? .... nice try.

 

[nobodyknows]

Because apparently I belong to a party that you say I do? .... nice try.

I know you can't help being so transparent, but like it or not, you are. he was complaining about what the goverment was doing with HIS TAX MONEY, all the while he was attempting to cheat his way out of paying his fair share.


Teabagger all the way baby!!

Edit: It must suck not being able to admit what party you most closely align with. How embarassing for you guys. LOL

 

[wiretap]

I know you can't help being so transparent, but like it or not, you are. he was complaining about what the goverment was doing with HIS TAX MONEY, all the while he was attempting to cheat his way out of paying his fair share.


Teabagger all the way baby!!

Edit: It must suck not being able to admit what party you most closely align with. How embarassing for you guys. LOL

In his manifesto, he made his entire argument on the premise of saying the government wasn't doing enough for him.

 

[TheDoc9]

kinda complicated and not 100 sure how they can do this.

My SIL's dad is on SSDI (and rightfully so!). well when on SSDI you get a small amount for the kids. Well at the time the MIL had the daughter, adn 2 foster kids she was getting SSDI money for. BUT she was also getting state aid for the kids and child suport! wich you can not do if you are getting SSDI.

well the MIL was getting $845 a month for the 3 kids but it was only comein in the name of the SIL. and when we got Costudy of her the MIL told SS that she never got it and the daughter did (wich is a bullshit lie).

so now my wifes SIL owes them $8800.

Since we have costody of the SIL they took $2k in taxes we were sopposed to get as "Back childsupport" and taxes owed.

i'm not sure how they can take MY money for it. but we are already fighting it.


wich piss's me off i was going to use the 3k i got back to buy a nice new lawn mower

Your abbreviations and spelling are atrocious. Sounds more like your mother in law (mil?) is the problem as she's the liar. It also sounds like they were both, your mother and sister in law, taking advantage of the welfare system. Since you said they should only get one payment or the other as I understood your post, and yet they were both collecting welfare on the same people.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Right-wing domestic terrorist. Period.

Moron - period. Stop reading dailykos to preseerve what little's left of your intellect.

 

[FerrelGeek]

In his manifesto, he made his entire argument on the premise of saying the government wasn't doing enough for him.

He also hated Bush and apparently like Obama. This was no right-winger, but you'll never convince the people that still believe in global warming.

 

[spidey07]

So does this bring the number of terror attacks on US soil to 4 under Obama's short 13 month watch?

 

[chucky2]

You don't realize, they don't give a fuck. They have their own investors to worry about.

This guy committed suicide and attempted to take people with him. He was a coward, nothing more, nothing less.

Not to mention the mere fact he attempted to also kill his family as he burned the house down only highlights he was a crazy fuck who only thought of himself.

You don't realize, when things start getting truly bad, and people start doing stuff like this guy did, they won't 'give a f&ck' either when they walk into your office and shoot you and your boss in the head. Or make a little home visit. Or some other fun scenario.

Funny thing though: You'll write this off as an impossibility, something that'll never happen, crazy. And if you asked any of the people in that building he flew into what they thought of someone PO'd at them crashing a plane into it, they'd tell you that was an impossibility, something that'll never happen, crazy.

Keep thinking you're better than others...sooner or later, it'll start catching up to you Elites.

Chuck

 

[Modelworks]

I read his letter, nowhere did I get the impression that he was a communist. That last piece was a juxtaposition of communism and capitalism, showing that capitalism as we have it today is no better, and possibly worse, than communism.

And I don't blame him for looking at a way to get back at the corrupt bureaucrats after he was financially raped in the ass on multiple occasions by the govt/IRS, while the corporate fatcats were breaking laws and getting bailouts. He tried the nice way, writing his representatives and all, only to realize that the system doesn't work, the game is rigged, and the govt doesn't care. The plane crash was the ultimate expression of his frustration.

I pretty much agree with you. I don't approve of what the guy did but do understand it. It is frustrating to follow the rules only to watch as others get to ignore those same rules and get preferential treatment. There is a double standard in the USA, one for those with power and one for the rest of us.

 

[werepossum]

So does this bring the number of terror attacks on US soil to 4 under Obama's short 13 month watch?

I'm uncertain if this really falls under terrorism. I don't think anyone could have done anything to prevent this attack, though, short of devoting massive resources to scanning every single web page and following up with every disaffected person out there. The Fort Hood shooter, that was easily stopped, but even there the failure was at a much lower than Obama. You could validly say the culture of extreme political correctness caused the failure, but that exists outside of the president or Congress. I can blame liberalism for the Fort Hood shooting (along with the military's refusal to remove from service someone who obviously was not fit out of PC), but I don't think even liberalism had anything to do with this guy.

I shudder to think of the level of resources and the universal (within America) loss of freedom that would be required to prevent an attack like this.

 

[MotF Bane]

Right-wing domestic terrorist. Period.

 

[Modelworks]

I shudder to think of the level of resources and the universal (within America) loss of freedom that would be required to prevent an attack like this.

The only thing that I can think of that would prevent things like this is if we improved the way mental health is looked at by society and availability of services. People that kill their families , or shoot up work places, or do what this guy did could have usually been stopped had they just had someone who would take the time to help them cope. The stigma though is that getting help somehow makes you an outcast or defective. If people thought they could go talk to someone anytime they needed help without the stigma a lot of abuse, murder and suicides could be prevented.