Wow. Plane crash in Texas was an attack against the IRS.

[JSt0rm]

guess he owed money too...

 

[HumblePie]

Good to hear that only the pilot died.

I guess one concern that we all should have is that someone, somewhere, will think he was doing the right thing, and attempt a similar act. To anyone so foolish, I can only say that this man attempted to take away the rights of people who he believed were trampling upon his own. So he dies not only a murderer, but a hypocrite as well.

Except, he didn't kill anyone else... just made it so my tax return is going to take a long time to get this year. Effing idiot!

 

[woolfe9999]

Again, you miss my point. My point is not that he embraced the ideals and ideology of Communism as an intentional move. My point is that he embraced Communism in his pain and rage as the perceived opposite of the IRS - much as you apparently perceive the IRS as being the opposite of Communism (which might well work in small communities where everyone is on board.) The difference is that you (apparently) embrace Communism as a rational and intellectual decision for an ideal socio-economic system, whereas he (apparently - I'm going from one note written by a suicidal man) embraced communism only as a means of rejecting capitalism, having failed at it.

I still think most Communists would not want to attack the IRS in particular, tax collection and redistribution being a very important part of all self-identified Communist nations, but if you have a different view of Communism that's fine with me.

LOL Zebo.

Given his statement in support of anarchy, his anti-government stance, and his pro-communist stance, I'd say this was where he was ideologically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

- wolf

 

[BigDH01]

Again, you miss my point. My point is not that he embraced the ideals and ideology of Communism as an intentional move. My point is that he embraced Communism in his pain and rage as the perceived opposite of the IRS - much as you apparently perceive the IRS as being the opposite of Communism (which might well work in small communities where everyone is on board.) The difference is that you (apparently) embrace Communism as a rational and intellectual decision for an ideal socio-economic system, whereas he (apparently - I'm going from one note written by a suicidal man) embraced communism only as a means of rejecting capitalism, having failed at it.

When did I embrace Communism?

I don't see this man embracing Communism either. I think he is really pissed off at many different situations and institutions that he perceived as injustices. The fact that he included a Marxist creed at the end of the note does not make him a Communist. Much like it doesn't make one a Communist for opposing convoluted tax structures or corporate collusions. Rejecting our form of Crony Capitalism or Lemon Socialism (however you want to describe it) does not automatically confine one to Communism. If it were so, there would be many Communists on this board.

I still think most Communists would not want to attack the IRS in particular, tax collection and redistribution being a very important part of all self-identified Communist nations, but if you have a different view of Communism that's fine with me.

LOL Zebo.

It's easy to self-identify as Communist. It's much more difficult for Communist parties to relinquish their control as the state withers (which is what happens when a population enters its Communist phase). Communism as it was defined and created, is a stateless and classless society where people are driven intrinsically to produce and serve. Hence, the IRS's function is largely meaningless in the Commune. You may argue that the supposed Communist states that have existed under Maoism and Stalinism had a strong state, and that's fine. I would argue those states are not, and never attempted, to achieve Communism. Marx made a huge mistake in thinking that the dictatorship of the Proletariat would cede control to the people. Instead we ended up with centrally controlled authoritarian regimes that have no resemblance to Communism.

 

[ahurtt]

Good to hear that only the pilot died.

I guess one concern that we all should have is that someone, somewhere, will think he was doing the right thing, and attempt a similar act. To anyone so foolish, I can only say that this man attempted to take away the rights of people who he believed were trampling upon his own. So he dies not only a murderer, but a hypocrite as well.

Has his family turned up yet? Have they put out his flaming house? Any bodies found inside?

 

[werepossum]

Given his statement in support of anarchy, his anti-government stance, and his pro-communist stance, I'd say this was where he is ideologically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

- wolf

That's probably the closest defined ideology, but honestly I'm as anti-Communist as anyone and his rant just struck me as a pathetic loser giving up and snatching at whatever seemed opposite of his perceived problem. Had he not been caught twice breaking tax law (even granting that others may do the same with better legal representation) I imagine he would have remained a happy capitalist - perhaps even a productive one.

 

[woolfe9999]

That's probably the closest defined ideology, but honestly I'm as anti-Communist as anyone and his rant just struck me as a pathetic loser giving up and snatching at whatever seemed opposite of his perceived problem. Had he not been caught twice breaking tax law (even granting that others may do the same with better legal representation) I imagine he would have remained a happy capitalist - perhaps even a productive one.

Yeah, you're probably right. His major theme seemed to be that his tax money was being used to line the pockets of corporate interests who had a stranglehold on the government. Come to think of it, what he wrote reminds me of a poster on this board. Wait...Craig, you're still with us right, buddy?

- wolf

 

[bamacre]

Has his family turned up yet? Have they put out his flaming house? Any bodies found inside?

From what I read, his wife and kid(s) pulled into the driveway as the house was burning to the ground. I have not read of any fatalities.

 

[ayabe]

you contridict yoruself. you say he ain't a nutjob but say he is crazy for taking it to this level. hmm THIS IS WHY WE ARE CALLING HIM A NUTJOB.

i do agree the IRS is fucked up. We have been fighting the irs for my wife's sister. ..sigh her mother really screwed her over.

she owes SS 8k so what they do? garnish MY REFUNDS! sigh

My point is that the source of his grievances aren't crazy, he just went nuts because of them.

I was trying to differentiate him from a typical nutjob, someone who is stark raving mad because the world of Avatar isn't a real place, or that the CIA was behind 9/11. Those are nutjobs with nutjob grievances, I see nothing crazy about this guys' feeling that we're all getting screwed and the game is rigged.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah, you're probably right. His major theme seemed to be that his tax money was being used to line the pockets of corporate interests who had a stranglehold on the government. Come to think of it, what he wrote reminds me of a poster on this board. Wait...Craig, you're still with us right, buddy?

- wolf

Well he aint wrong but we have ways to change that, the ballot box. Besides that was just an excuse for his personnel issues. Personnel issues like being Middle aged man w/o good family. Debt problems. Tax problems. Business problems.

 

[dmcowen674]

Wow. Plane crash in Texas was an attack against the IRS.

Developing story from CNN.

Wonder if it has anything to do with this?

Pilot railed against IRS, taxes
199 IRS employees worked in building


So, do we call him a murderer or a patriot? Domestic terrorist?

Whatever you call it, it is more evidence...that it is all unraveling out there.

How's that possible? "The Economy is Strong".

 

[werepossum]

Yeah, you're probably right. His major theme seemed to be that his tax money was being used to line the pockets of corporate interests who had a stranglehold on the government. Come to think of it, what he wrote reminds me of a poster on this board. Wait...Craig, you're still with us right, buddy?

- wolf

LOL! I can't argue with that perception; I'm pretty pissed about it myself. I just don't agree with his method, which is both evil and ineffectual. And as much as I dislike the IRS and wish we could adopt the FairTax, the IRS doesn't write the tax law OR decide who gets the money it creates. As someone posted, his actions fail on every level.

 

[Zebo]

LOL! I can't argue with that perception; I'm pretty pissed about it myself. I just don't agree with his method, which is both evil and ineffectual. And as much as I dislike the IRS and wish we could adopt the FairTax, the IRS doesn't write the tax law OR decide who gets the money it creates. As someone posted, his actions fail on every level.

Exactly. Also begs the question why didn't he go to Hamptons for a weekend shooting spree where the actual bankers live instead of targeting low level accountants just doing their job the government tells them to.

 

[PokerGuy]

The note reads very much like McOwen's writing. Dave, did you help that nutjob write it?

 

[Robor]

Glad to hear this moron killed himself an no one else. Fvcktard! :thumbsdown:

 

[Darwin333]

Pretty pathetic how several of the posters on here are doing all they can to point fingers and blame "the other side" for the actions of this nutcase and are trying to pin him to one party/system of beliefs of the other.

The guy was a world class dumbass, that is all.

Congrats though on pointing out exactly, and I do mean exfuckingactly what is wrong with this country right now. Too many extreme douchebags on either side who don't give a damn about actually doing anything constructive and helping the country? Oh fuck no, they are too busy trying to get one over on the other side.

Pro Tip: Neither side is always right.

Pro Tip #2: Neither side is always wrong.

Bunch of fucking losers.

You fool. The other side is ALWAYS wrong, just ask damn near everyone who posts in P&N (with some exceptions of course, some are rather good exceptions but few and far between).

 

[DealMonkey]

This guy was obviously a confused tea-bagging moron. I bet he marched in the streets with his stupid tea-bagging signs and donated money to that moron Sarah Palin.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

That's probably the closest defined ideology, but honestly I'm as anti-Communist as anyone and his rant just struck me as a pathetic loser giving up and snatching at whatever seemed opposite of his perceived problem. Had he not been caught twice breaking tax law (even granting that others may do the same with better legal representation) I imagine he would have remained a happy capitalist - perhaps even a productive one.

Well if the system works for you, of course you're going to be a happy whatever-that-system-is-ist. It's not the people making bank in our current corporatist system that are angry and wanting change.

 

[fallout man]

This guy was obviously a confused tea-bagging moron. I bet he marched in the streets with his stupid tea-bagging signs and donated money to that moron Sarah Palin.

I doubt it. His manifesto has minimal spelling issues (first draft).

I'm not sure where you guys are getting the notion that he's a communist of some sort. Is this a running gag in this thread?

Judging by what I read, the man was clearly anti-pork, anti-bailout, anti-stimulus, anti-taxes and anti-"big government." He also appears to have been pro-small business, pro-constitution, pro-military, and pro-"pulling yourself up by your bootstraps."

Lovely tea party we have here, don't you think?

 

[woolfe9999]

I doubt it. His manifesto has minimal spelling issues (first draft).

I'm not sure where you guys are getting the notion that he's a communist of some sort. Is this a running gag in this thread?

Judging by what I read, the man was clearly anti-pork, anti-bailout, anti-stimulus, anti-taxes and anti-"big government." He also appears to have been pro-small business, pro-constitution, pro-military, and pro-"pulling yourself up by your bootstraps."

Lovely tea party we have here, don't you think?

Did you read the anti-capitalist and pro-communist slogans that are juxtaposed at the end? Did you notice his constant ranting about the government being in the hands of weathly interests and corporations?

- wolf

 

[nobodyknows]

None died but him right? What a failure. He even sucks at killing people.

So if he had killed 20 people instead of being a failure he would have been successful?? LOL, stangebrew you have there.

I see this as an act of terrorism against the IRS, but we don't know if he was out to kill anyone. On the other hand it doesn't appear if he cared if he did kill someone. He was just making his statment, but sacraficing his life as the exclamation point. He never talked about getting his "pound of flesh", but of the IRS getting it's "pound of flesh" from him.

It kind of reminds me of the Buddhist monks who would light themselves on fire to protest.


http://www.vietnampix.com/fire1.htm

 

[BigDH01]

Did you read the anti-capitalist and pro-communist slogans that are juxtaposed at the end? Did you notice his constant ranting about the government being in the hands of weathly interests and corporations?

- wolf

I don't think those juxtaposed quotes alone are enough to prove the guy was a Communist.

As far as your second question, that happens almost on a daily basis here by people of both parties.

 

[nobodyknows]

Did you read the anti-capitalist and pro-communist slogans that are juxtaposed at the end? Did you notice his constant ranting about the government being in the hands of weathly interests and corporations?

- wolf

The man was obviously a failed capitalist. A pure capitalist who spent his life pursing the American dream and ended up losing everthing.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Did you read the anti-capitalist and pro-communist slogans that are juxtaposed at the end? Did you notice his constant ranting about the government being in the hands of weathly interests and corporations?

- wolf

How he blue hell does that second point make anyone a communist?

 

[DealMonkey]

I doubt it. His manifesto has minimal spelling issues (first draft).

I'm not sure where you guys are getting the notion that he's a communist of some sort. Is this a running gag in this thread?

Judging by what I read, the man was clearly anti-pork, anti-bailout, anti-stimulus, anti-taxes and anti-"big government." He also appears to have been pro-small business, pro-constitution, pro-military, and pro-"pulling yourself up by your bootstraps."

Lovely tea party we have here, don't you think?

We should just round up all of those tea-bagging douchebags and put 'em in Gitmo just to make sure they don't try anything stupid.